What do YOU think Prime Hiruzen's limits are?

[Red Swag]

all i know is he loves bananas

 

[Phoenix Wright]

I've been reading all of your back and forth comments, and this is absolutely where we have got to draw the line... :flaw:

By the way, that emoticon was me slapping you. I only posted true facts. I didn't draw this.

 

[stoikis]

The manga said the 3rd was said to be the strongest kage, but the manga also said that the 1st was the strongest shinobi ever and compared him to the SO6P...which manga page are you going by cause the manga just contridicted itself...

no
The manga says that he was the strongest shinobi in his time

By hype Hiruzen is stilllll stronger

 

[Minator93]

He is Edo Madara Level. Can SOLO the current 5 Kages. because he actually SOLO'd Edo Hashi + Edo Tobirama + Prime Orochimaru at the age of 69.

 

[Dribbles]

Not this thread again.. ​

 

[kakashi owns all]

endo madara and the 3rd prime would be a hell of a match

3rd hokage- all leaf nin that mean stuff like endos (2ed hokage made it) and all elements

over 1000 gen that means bringer of darkness almost 100% i mean his teachers had it
that makes him blind

also enma prison used as offense trapping him in there for a wile i mean its harder then diamonds that would hold him.

then full sasunoo would me massive and its power is about that of a tailed beast the 3rd could battle it well like he did the nine tails.

 

[Kaedon]

These listings make little sense to me, I can kind of get the High Mid Low Kage tiers. I don't understand why Hashi gets a tier since he hasn't shown us anything other than some sub-par combat during part 1 as an imperfect edo, so I can't use him as a basis. Edo Madara certainly deserves his own tier but would more than likely outclass the Third. Why is Rikkudo up there, another wasted space.

So we are left with Edo Madara > High > Mid > Low .. but we have no other comparison in terms of characters. Assuming the good Kages are all put in the High tier he's in that category or somewhere between that and the next step. Too difficult to place him since we don't have a great idea of what he truly was capable of.

 

[Vexorian]

Not sure where I weigh in on this one. Hiruzen doesn't have the skillset to fight a Bijuu, that much is to be sure. If we're talking a Shinobi, whether it be an Uchiha, or anybody without the Rinnegan for that matter, he can win. That's my belief. So I'd put him on the level of any INDIVIDUAL that doesn't have the Rinnegan, but not on the level of any Bijuu. He can take out Jinchuuriki with Shiki Fuujin, though.

 

[kakashi owns all]

These listings make little sense to me, I can kind of get the High Mid Low Kage tiers. I don't understand why Hashi gets a tier since he hasn't shown us anything other than some sub-par combat during part 1 as an imperfect edo, so I can't use him as a basis. Edo Madara certainly deserves his own tier but would more than likely outclass the Third. Why is Rikkudo up there, another wasted space.
So we are left with Edo Madara > High > Mid > Low .. but we have no other comparison in terms of characters. Assuming the good Kages are all put in the High tier he's in that category or somewhere between that and the next step. Too difficult to place him since we don't have a great idea of what he truly was capable of.

no that was perfect endo

Not sure where I weigh in on this one. Hiruzen doesn't have the skillset to fight a Bijuu, that much is to be sure. If we're talking a Shinobi, whether it be an Uchiha, or anybody without the Rinnegan for that matter, he can win. That's my belief. So I'd put him on the level of any INDIVIDUAL that doesn't have the Rinnegan, but not on the level of any Bijuu. He can take out Jinchuuriki with Shiki Fuujin, though.

he battled the nine tails

 

[Wallcrawler]

He was more then likely the most powerful non KG user ever.

Obviously he does not compare to SO6P but he is beyond most shinobi.

He was easily on Hashirama's level and even higher since he has no real advantage over anybody since birth.

 

[GenKiDama]

That's not my only proof. I also have my ace card.

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Old Hiruzen>Itachi.

That's reasonable, and your mere excuses can't deny that! You can clearly see that it's Itachi bowing before his Lord, instead of reverse!

And since Old Hiruzen>Itachi then Prime Hiruzen>2 Hashiramas.

:sy: how in the **** did you get to that conclusion my god

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

your having a laugh if you rank him as hashi , edo madara or sennin level....
mid kage imo , as an old dude he lost to oro, who is a low kage imo , which means even though he was old , strength doesnt deminish by that much... just movement and amounts of chakra.....

 

[Kikki]

I would say Hashirama level or little below. It's really hard to tell because we just didn't see anything of it. I'm sure the guy was a big deal.

 

[enflamer]

i think he could go toe to toe with hashi, in part 1 he fought the first and 2 hokages, which is pretty amazing considering hashi beat madara, he also battled the second at that time which must mean he is even stronger than hashi believe!

 

[kakashi owns all]

He was more then likely the most powerful non KG user ever.

Obviously he does not compare to SO6P but he is beyond most shinobi.

He was easily on Hashirama's level and even higher since he has no real advantage over anybody since birth.

fair

your having a laugh if you rank him as hashi , edo madara or sennin level....
mid kage imo , as an old dude he lost to oro, who is a low kage imo , which means even though he was old , strength doesnt deminish by that much... just movement and amounts of chakra.....

did you forget that his endo was perfect, so that was full power 1st and 2ed full power and he won the fight. prime he is endo madara level

 

[Yo pappy]

I think he's weaker than Hashirama, but stronger than the rest. If Hiruzen was so strong then that means that people would have had to have seen him at his best, and that means that for him to be at his best there had to have been an opponent worthy enough. If such opponent existed we would have heard of him by now (or them), but we haven't. Why? Because it's all bullshit that's why. Uchiha Madara was the biggest threat to Konoha to ever exist, period, and if Hiruzen was truly stronger than we wouldn't be hearing about Madara. We would be hearing about some random **** Hiruzen fought at some point in time that will never exist because Kishi is never going to give us a straight answer. The plot-hole was made on purpose to keep the fanboys at each others throats to the end of time, and that's exactly what's gonna happen. Herp

 

[Strict]

I wouldn't rely on Hiruzens hype too much. Obviously, Kishimoto didn't consider on which kind of level he would turn the Manga and also didn't consider what kind of hype he'd give to Hashirama. The focus was lying on Hiruzen, the current Hokage, during we had no knowledge about Hashiramas powers, he was no one but the first Hokage, during part 2 of the Manga was more and more focusing on Hashirama and his fairy tale strength, a strength anyone is seeking for.

And the fight of the old Hiruzen against Shodaime and Nidaime just shows,
the level on which Kishimoto hold him back them, since didn't consider how important he would be in the second part. When Orochimaru summoned them both, Hiruzen just said, that they should be aware to lose against him. A 70 year old Hiruzen was telling this to the first and second Hokage in their best state. This has nothing to do with Orochimarus Edo Tensei but just with the level of Shodaime he has got from Kishimoto.

I personally think, that Hashirama was stronger.

 

[Higekage]

I think Hiruzen was the strongest when it comes to diversity. He didn't have the powerful wood style Hashirama had, but he could use the most techniques. So in raw power he wasn't the strongest, but in knowledge he was. Remember strong is a word with many meanings

 

[AlexXx]

maybe he is just a tiny lilltle bit over or under hashirama but....

4 STUPID HIRUZEN FANBOYS SAY HE IS ON RIKUDOU SENNINS LEVEL ?!

 

[Vexorian]

I think he is more skilful than Hashi, and is just better as a shinobi overall. Hashi got the recognition he did because he could suppress and control tailed beasts and to control beasts of that power would have been considered godly, it doesn't mean that he is a better shinobi than everyone else.

So he is at Hashi's level, but I would say he is just above, but wouldn't have the power of Hashi's techniques but luckily, power is not all important.

Perfectly said. +Rep