What do YOU think Prime Hiruzen's limits are?

[uchiha28]

What is hashirama? Only Hype. At least we have seen hiruzen in battle, andhe defeated hash and tobi.

Madara told us that he loss to the 1st and look what Madara can do. Hiruzen would be in the same situation as the Kages against Madara and the 1st; the gap in power is just too much for him.

 

[Vidua]

Hiruzen>Hashi

My thoughts.

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Stronger than Oonoki even in his old age.

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Perfect answer right here. It is said that Hiruzen was the strongest of the Kages (among them), not that he actually was. With that said I would have to rank him at Third Raikage level. To be honest though, I feel as if EMS Madara would be too much for him to handle anyways.

 

[NowNoon]

purely from what i've seen in anime and read in manga. they say in his prime he was the best so i would put him above the 1st Hokage, just like the person who wrote the manga did.

 

[BL00DZ]

Man bs Hashi was fighting kurama and madara at the fkin same time while hiruzen just pushed the damn monster with a stick, plus he's not a Senju. Plus Madara said everyone underestimated 1st hokage powerand he fought Hashi who saw hashi's full POWER which no one ever saw before!!! No way we could'vve know his power back the when they said Hiruzen was strongest. It was to go along with the story. I see it like this.
Hokage Order:
Hashirama then Tobirama then Minato then Hiruzen then Tsunade

Hashirama is way stronger then Hiruzen plus Nagato and So6p could fken do edo and chibaku tensei and create a moon before they died of age and exhaustion.

 

[Zero Path]

That's not my only proof. I also have my ace card.

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Old Hiruzen>Itachi.

That's reasonable, and your mere excuses can't deny that! You can clearly see that it's Itachi bowing before his Lord, instead of reverse!

And since Old Hiruzen>Itachi then Prime Hiruzen>2 Hashiramas.

XD LMMFAO Dude, That is some of the Funniest Shat I've read on the base.

On Topic, I'm going with IDFK, Since i've never seen prime Hiruzen Fight. You can't judge 69 year old Hiruzen as Much weaker Because you can't be certain of how much his power had waned Since his prime.

 

[Styles]

high kage and who voted him on so6p's level

 

[iAM LEGENDARY]

I think the prime hiruzen was on Hahi level but i still think Hashi>Hiruzen

 

[MickNerks]

Madara told us that he loss to the 1st and look what Madara can do. Hiruzen would be in the same situation as the Kages against Madara and the 1st; the gap in power is just too much for him.

Madara didnt uses the rinnegan against hashirama and madara didnt have unlimited chakra. Madara also didnt send 2 metoers hurling down toward hashirama. So the madara who fought hshirama IMO was no better that EMS sasuke (minus the amaterasu).

You dont even know how powerful hiruzen is in his prime. Enma is the perect counter to his wood release. And his speed, strength, and chakra reserves were WAY MORE than showed against the EDO 1st and 2nd, whic he did beat.

 

[alikabok]

to much of a gray area and a very heated subject to much to enjoy and have a reasonble conversation about

This is also my opinion when it's about Hiruzen and Hashirama.

 

[Hokage Sharingan Kakashi]

Low Kage Level. I don't go by that stupid hype BS b/c to many fanboys over use that as an excuse as to why he can't be beat -__-. Which is ****ing preposterous. If he couldn't defeat a sannin at "old age" then does not possess Kage level combat(but this is solely my oppinion). I've seen much greater feats from Oonoki and Gaara than I have from him. Hell even the 4th Raikage with one arm could have defeated Oro along with the 1st and 2nd.

 

[Ressurected Crow]

Personally, it's rather debatable, no matter what level you put him on. For any level, there will be some fan boy, claiming he's greater, or inferior. I myself...Consider him around Hashirama's level, but not far below, nor so ahead of him. That is my opinion.

 

[AP2k]

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[DESTRUCTO]

Look, dude was mad smart. They called him the professor. A shinobi's strength isn't only in their technique,or muscles, or how much chakra they have. Their are a lot of things that can make a shinobi strong. Hashirama can create a forest in an instant, but maybe Hiruzen was so good with kage buunshin that he was able to get the jump on anybody. Maybe his deduction skills were so good that he could break down his enemies and their techniques in an instant. Knowing their weakness and exploiting it.

See the thing people are forgetting is that the Sarutobi clan does have a special skill in a way. They seem to catch on to things and learn techniques very fast. They were skilled enough to maintain an alliance with the akimichi, nara, and Yamanaka(?) clans for at least a few generations. Long enough to have a tradition with them, and to have these clans almost as guardians and vice versa. In fact, Sasuke was named after Hiruzen's father. A man so revered that people are naming their children after him.

In power I'm sure, in the end, Hashirama would be stronger in jutsu strength and size, and most likely in stamina. However, it seems they are portraying Hiruzen as extremely intelligent, and from his battle, he seems to have jutsus strong enough, which, with the right opportunity, can give him the victory.

He was considered the best of the five Kages of his generation, and we have seen almost all of them in action. They are all extremely powerful. So give credit where credit is due.

 

[Volcanikage]

Just under Hashirama due to Wood Release

Same Tier as Hashi but just weaker than him

thx to wood style? really WOOD STYLE IS HIRUZEN PLAYGROUND HIS A MONKEY SAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

Everybody stfu And stop being fanboys for once Hash>Hiruzen

 

[~MC117~]

Above hashirama but below Edo madara.
Hiruzen>hashirama

 

[Rike Senju]

Going by hype hiruzen is just below hashi's level..and ppl who brought the hiruzen oro fight he only won because oro was cocky and enjoying himself with the kages toying with hiruzen and that's why he was able to seal them oro was a careless retard :sy: also it was plot because oro would have been able to destroy the village if he hadn't been stopped. I'll believe hiruzen >> hashi when I see hiruzen prime and techs that can deal with flower tree world and such techs like that because as ppl can see in the manga those techs make ppl look like ants.

 

[uchiha28]

Madara didnt uses the rinnegan against hashirama and madara didnt have unlimited chakra. Madara also didnt send 2 metoers hurling down toward hashirama. So the madara who fought hshirama IMO was no better that EMS sasuke (minus the amaterasu).

You dont even know how powerful hiruzen is in his prime. Enma is the perect counter to his wood release. And his speed, strength, and chakra reserves were WAY MORE than showed against the EDO 1st and 2nd, whic he did beat.

Hashirama could completely control tailed beasts and he had several of them, so there's no way Hiruzen could have surpassed him.

 

[LegendaryAce]

I actually cannot believe people voted rikudou's level+madara+hashirama...
i understand slightly under hashirama but if you think he can beat him easy and is on edo madara's level then u are high on crack

Noone on narutoverse is on rikudou's level.
only 1 person atm will beat edo madara alone.
hiruzen is not on the level of those 2.
he might be on hashirama's or slightly below
do i think he can beat hashirama no.
can he beat edo madara no.
can he beat rikudou? ...*sigh*

people are entitled to their own opinions but some people need to change theirs cuz clearly they dont understand what they are talking about

 

[minatofan234]

I actually cannot believe people voted rikudou's level+madara+hashirama...
i understand slightly under hashirama but if you think he can beat him easy and is on edo madara's level then u are high on crack

Noone on narutoverse is on rikudou's level.
only 1 person atm will beat edo madara alone.
hiruzen is not on the level of those 2.
he might be on hashirama's or slightly below
do i think he can beat hashirama no.
can he beat edo madara no.
can he beat rikudou? ...*sigh*

people are entitled to their own opinions but some people need to change theirs cuz clearly they dont understand what they are talking about

finally some one speaks the truth hashirama and tobirama trained hiruzen to be the strongest hokage to bring peace but my opinion is that hiruzin is above hashirama or weaker than him i think hiruzin will be able to beat edo madara because he has reaper death seal and will be able to seal them like he did to the first hokage and second but then again he might not be able to beat him all i know is that he will put up a hell of a great fight :flaw: xd :ice: :noc: wease::T_T::kakashi::hypertobi::itachi::nindaime::naruto:WTH:whoa:O.O