What do you think of Jesus's Teachings

[YowYan]

Adding to that, as a Buddhist, I respect Jesus fundamental teachings such as loving others like yourself and dedicating yourself to helping others. Interesting that the majority of the religions all share the same idea but because people only look at the differences and not the similarities, hate grows and leads to violence in many cases. But thus is human nature and the only way to overcome that hate is to realize that it starts with us. We can't hope to change the world if we aren't willing to do the same.

Well said.
That reminds me of a muslim friend of mine who's infatuated with the Qu'ran but has no interest in any other religious script. Weird, because, I think that shared spiritual knowledge was purposely spread throughout the globe and thus all religions originate from the same source. Whatever that source is..

That's a huge issue for mankind; looking at the source of problems, looking at the core of religious teachings, always creating more diversity but no harmony.

 

[CLU]

This reminds me of a very poignant meme

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And yes i have read the bible probably unlike most of the people on this base and it is completely ridiculous and urge anyone to truly sit down and read it.You will be very disappointed to learn the bible is the exact opposite of what you think it is.

You've read the whole bible huh. No I don't think you have read it all. I also don't think you read the thread title correctly for that matter. We are discussing Jesuss teachings. If you had read the bible then you would've commented on one of his lessons and not rant about whatever you just ranted about. Out of topic

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

They were cool, taken out of context yes but it still helps people.

 

[CLU]

This right here tells me you lack both intelligence and wisdom since you can't have one without the other and secondly it is not up to for debate whether it contradicts itself it is a straight up fact and if you choose to blatantly ignore that then that's on you.

Are you up to the challenge to prove that it contradicts itself? You know give proof and not just repeat what others have told you

 

[mayibongwe]

i say: bring up a context where the bible contradicts itself. i will show you what wisdom is.

you dare compare the bible to other books... shame on you!

 

[Deviation]

i say: bring up a context where the bible contradicts itself. i will show you what wisdom is.

you dare compare the bible to other books... shame on you!

I will go out on a limb here because I am interested in your opinion for tonight. Jesus speaks about loving your neighbor as yourself yet later on his disciples make an err in judgement by saying that lying down with a man (homosexual ***) is an abhorrent act and should not be practised. How is that not contradictory? Maybe I read it wrong but if his fundamental teaching was love each other like oneself, that includes differences, why would they talk about not accepting others? This also includes their whole debacle with the jews versus gentiles as well.

I do not seek to anger you. I just want to know what you think.

 

[CLU]

@deviationBecause Jesus is not asking you to make love to your neighbor. He's basically telling you to treat others like you would treat yourself. Your using the word love outside of it's intended purpose.

 

[mayibongwe]

I will go out on a limb here because I am interested in your opinion for tonight. Jesus speaks about loving your neighbor as yourself yet later on his disciples make an err in judgement by saying that lying down with a man (homosexual ***) is an abhorrent act and should not be practised. How is that not contradictory? Maybe I read it wrong but if his fundamental teaching was love each other like oneself, that includes differences, why would they talk about not accepting others? This also includes their whole debacle with the jews versus gentiles as well.

I do not seek to anger you. I just want to know what you think.

Romans 6:23 for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord.
Homosexuality is a sin. Yes we cannot hate homosexual people but we can love them enough to shed some light to them. mark 16:15 says we must preach to every nation. if we do that and they hear they would not be homosexual. The parable of the rich man and Lazarous symbolises or the moral of that parable is that we have been blessed with resources(the truth) and now we have to give it to those in need.

 

[CLU]

Romans 6:23 for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord.
Homosexuality is a sin. Yes we cannot hate homosexual people but we can love them enough to shed some light to them. mark 16:15 says we must preach to every nation. if we do that and they hear they would not be homosexual. The parable of the rich man and Lazarous symbolises or the moral of that parable is that we have been blessed with resources(the truth) and now we have to give it to those in need.

The act of intercourse between two men is a sin itself not if you have strong feelings for a guy. Such as how homosexuals have for each other. You can be with each other but not have intercourse or any such behavior. Only the act is sinful because women were made for that purpose(of course thsts not the only purpose lol). See God bans the the intercourse of two men but not their feelings. That is impossible to ban.

 

[Fodder#4]

The teachings of Jesus, and most religious figures in all belief systems are basically how we should be living. I don't think anyone can honestly disagree with them, they might try to. But it's more them against religion then what the religion speaks of.

 

[CLU]

The teachings of Jesus, and most religious figures in all belief systems are basically how we should be living. I don't think anyone can honestly disagree with them, they might try to. But it's more them against religion then what the religion speaks of.

You forgot. . . . . . Dues Vult

 

[mayibongwe]

The act of intercourse between two men is a sin itself not if you have strong feelings for a guy. Such as how homosexuals have for each other. You can be with each other but not have intercourse or any such behavior. Only the act is sinful because women were made for that purpose(of course thsts not the only purpose lol). See God bans the the intercourse of two men but not their feelings. That is impossible to ban.

it is wrong. i will reply indept on that later

 

[Deviation]

@deviationBecause Jesus is not asking you to make love to your neighbor. He's basically telling you to treat others like you would treat yourself. Your using the word love outside of it's intended purpose.

Depends on what your definition of "intended purpose" means. I have my own interpretation and you have yours. By loving someone as yourself you are also loving them for who they are and accepting them as they are otherwise what is love? ^__^

Romans 6:23 for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord.
Homosexuality is a sin. Yes we cannot hate homosexual people but we can love them enough to shed some light to them. mark 16:15 says we must preach to every nation. if we do that and they hear they would not be homosexual. The parable of the rich man and Lazarous symbolises or the moral of that parable is that we have been blessed with resources(the truth) and now we have to give it to those in need.

Those are verses of the bible. I wanted to know what you thought not the book. The truth is subjective. What one thinks is absolute the other will think it is pure nonsense. It can be changed and fitted to the users convenience. However, wisdom is something that is known by all and cannot be disproved because it comes from sound logic and in some cases from a divine entity. What you speak of as the truth only seems to hurt people more than help them. If you decide to reply again, I would like to hear your own opinion/interpretation.

The act of intercourse between two men is a sin itself not if you have strong feelings for a guy. Such as how homosexuals have for each other. You can be with each other but not have intercourse or any such behavior. Only the act is sinful because women were made for that purpose(of course thsts not the only purpose lol). See God bans the the intercourse of two men but not their feelings. That is impossible to ban.

Wow that seems really sad when you put it that way. So basically only heterosexual partners are allowed to share their love for each other through ***? Why would someone force other people to think that way. Shouldn't you be able to show and express your love to your partner despite their differences or in this case sexual orientation?

 

[CLU]

it is wrong. i will reply indept on that later

Well as I said the act of intercourse is in fact wrong and sinful but not their feelings though. You can have those feelings but not act upon them. Much like a person wanting to steal but never doing it

 

[CLU]

Depends on what your definition of "intended purpose" means. I have my own interpretation and you have yours. By loving someone as yourself you are also loving them for who they are and accepting them as they are otherwise what is love? ^__^



Those are verses of the bible. I wanted to know what you thought not the book. The truth is subjective. What one thinks is absolute the other will think it is pure nonsense. It can be changed and fitted to the users convenience. However, wisdom is something that is known by all and cannot be disproved because it comes from sound logic and in some cases from a divine entity. What you speak of as the truth only seems to hurt people more than help them. If you decide to reply again, I would like to hear your own opinion/interpretation.



Wow that seems really sad when you put it that way. So basically only heterosexual partners are allowed to share their love for each other through ***? Why would someone force other people to think that way. Shouldn't you be able to show and express your love to your partner despite their differences or in this case sexual orientation?

No they cannot because God expects us to represent him in the best way. For him the intercourse of two men is an abomination. By keeping ourselves clean we keep him clean, by us staying holy we keep him holy. We are his represantation. It is logical that intercourse between two men is unnatural because any sexual pleasure that is had with a man can in fact be done with a woman. Tell me if I'm wrong

 

[Deviation]

No they cannot because God expects us to represent him in the best way. For him the intercourse of two men is an abomination. By keeping ourselves clean we keep him clean, by us staying holy we keep him holy. We are his represantation. It is logical that intercourse between two men is unnatural because any sexual pleasure that is had with a man can in fact be done with a woman. Tell me if I'm wrong

That is some bad representation but I say that from my limited view and what I think is right. I am not sure I totally agree on the logical part of what is unnatural. Studies have shown that animals exhibit homosexuality behaviors. I still wonder why your god would think that is wrong though. I haven't had the luck of someone hitting the nail on that question. I mean if you preach about love but shut other people out then that in itself is hypocrisy. Love should encompass everything about the person even their practises. I apologize if that sounded arrogant or hurtful. I didn't mean it like that. I mean what is your view on that because I haven't heard your opinion just what you perceive from what you have read.

 

[CLU]

That is some bad representation but I say that from my limited view and what I think is right. I am not sure I totally agree on the logical part of what is unnatural. Studies have shown that animals exhibit homosexuality behaviors. I still wonder why your god would think that is wrong though. I haven't had the luck of someone hitting the nail on that question. I mean if you preach about love but shut other people out then that in itself is hypocrisy. Love should encompass everything about the person even their practises. I apologize if that sounded arrogant or hurtful. I didn't mean it like that. I mean what is your view on that because I haven't heard your opinion just what you perceive from what you have read.

And you get your opinion from "studies" of animals homosexuality. I already told you my opinion that the intercourse between two men is an abomination because it is unnatural.

Is there a reason behind my God thinking your act of intercourse with another man is wrong? Yes, I already told you because he created women for men. This is why God thinks homosexuality is wrong. Is that hitting the nail on the head or do you want me to rephrase?

The good thing about God is that he puts us above any animal that wals on this earth so your "studies" are useless. How can anyone liken themselves to some beasts in the wild? You are not just an animal, God gave you a soul and that makes you better than animals.

Edit: You still havent given me an argument towrds the difference between men having intercourse with men and men having intercourse with women. It is the same sexuaal pleasure that they both experience. However a mans body was not made to be used as a womans nor will it ever function like one. Whats your response

 

[mayibongwe]

Those are verses of the bible. I wanted to know what you thought not the book. The truth is subjective. What one thinks is absolute the other will think it is pure nonsense. It can be changed and fitted to the users convenience. However, wisdom is something that is known by all and cannot be disproved because it comes from sound logic and in some cases from a divine entity. What you speak of as the truth only seems to hurt people more than help them. If you decide to reply again, I would like to hear your own opinion/interpretation.

dude the verses are the answer. what i love most about the bible is how verses are linked to each other. thats y you learn more about what you've learnt prevoulsy everytime you read the bible. the term neighbour refers someone next to you not your literal neighbour. if i said love your mother as you love yourself. would you have engage ur mom? no because that is incest. what is love and how does it differ. 1) the love tou have for your parent. 2)the love you have for friend 3)the love you have for your girlfriend/bf 4)the love you have for yourself. etc and the list goes on.

God only wants u to love another person as you love yourself. desire the best for them. care for them. pray for them just as you do for yourself. love has manny forms but the love that was spoken here is the same as the one for yourself. Now one can ague that if i do wrong things to myself then i have the right to abuse another person. well we all know the body is the temple of the Lord. you are the only creation God created without words. he made men with his hands and breath(spirit of life). abusing yourself is wrong itself.

 

[Nathan]

No they cannot because God expects us to represent him in the best way. For him the intercourse of two men is an abomination. By keeping ourselves clean we keep him clean, by us staying holy we keep him holy. We are his represantation. It is logical that intercourse between two men is unnatural because any sexual pleasure that is had with a man can in fact be done with a woman. Tell me if I'm wrong

And kids, this is why we don't have nice things.
Not trying to start a flame war, but didn't Eve take an apple from a talking snake? I see no logic there, and that seems okay to everyone compared to people liking the same gender. Gays have any right to love, whether or not: "20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13 KJV)" - Times have changed, mate; you can think gays are an abomination; but everyone has their own opinion, some may agree with while others will not. I am one of those people who disagree with you, and well I disagree with pretty much everything in the Bible.

And you get your opinion from "studies" of animals homosexuality. I already told you my opinion that the intercourse between two men is an abomination because it is unnatural.

Is there a reason behind my God thinking your act of intercourse with another man is wrong? Yes, I already told you because he created women for men. This is why God thinks homosexuality is wrong. Is that hitting the nail on the head or do you want me to rephrase?

Edit: You still havent given me an argument towrds the difference between men having intercourse with men and men having intercourse with women. It is the same sexuaal pleasure that they both experience. However a mans body was not made to be used as a womans nor will it ever function like one. Whats your response

I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with your 'reasoning/opinion' not going to go into detail as of why; cause it's pretty much up in my other part of this post.

dude the verses are the answer. what i love most about the bible is how verses are linked to each other. thats y you learn more about what you've learnt prevoulsy everytime you read the bible. the term neighbour refers someone next to you not your literal neighbour. if i said love your mother as you love yourself. would you have engage ur mom? no because that is incest. what is love and how does it differ. 1) the love tou have for your parent. 2)the love you have for friend 3)the love you have for your girlfriend/bf 4)the love you have for yourself. etc and the list goes on.

The verses also show a lot of inconsistencies with each other.
I.E:
GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.

IS 44:24 God created heaven and earth alone.
JN 1:1-3 Jesus took part in creation.

God only wants u to love another person as you love yourself. desire the best for them. care for them. pray for them just as you do for yourself. love has manny forms but the love that was spoken here is the same as the one for yourself. Now one can ague that if i do wrong things to myself then i have the right to abuse another person. well we all know the body is the temple of the Lord. you are the only creation God created without words. he made men with his hands and breath(spirit of life). abusing yourself is wrong itself.

I will use myself as an example here; if I don't love myself, or I don't love anyone?
My body is mine and mine alone, it isn't God or anyones, if I chose to abuse it; I will considered a sin? Alright then. I'm fine with that.
Can I ask you though, what do you consider abuse?

 

[CLU]

And kids, this is why we don't have nice things.
Not trying to start a flame war, but didn't Eve take an apple from a talking snake? I see no logic there, and that seems okay to everyone compared to people liking the same gender. Gays have any right to love, whether or not: "20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13 KJV)" - Times have changed, mate; you can think gays are an abomination; but everyone has their own opinion, some may agree with while others will not. I am one of those people who disagree with you, and well I disagree with pretty much everything in the Bible.



I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with your 'reasoning/opinion' not going to go into detail as of why; cause it's pretty much up in my other part of this post.



The verses also show a lot of inconsistencies with each other.
I.E:
GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.

IS 44:24 God created heaven and earth alone.
JN 1:1-3 Jesus took part in creation.



I will use myself as an example here; if I don't love myself, or I don't love anyone?
My body is mine and mine alone, it isn't God or anyones, if I chose to abuse it; I will considered a sin? Alright then. I'm fine with that.
Can I ask you though, what do you consider abuse?

I've actually been working on a theory on why God expects us to stay away from sin and things of such. First of all, people like to say that God works in mysterious ways however that's only to not answer direct questions. So right here and right now I'm gonna tell you why God expects us to be Holy in front of him. It is not because you'll die and go to Heaven. Honestly that's the least of my priorities. Ok so why would God ask us to stay Holy when it is almost impossible to do? My answer to you is that God works through mankind. Sin impedes him from helping us in our time of need. Example is thatof a person having a tattoo, God strictly forbids any such markings on anyones body. This is already a sin that can never forgiven because a tattoo is a lifelong commitment. God will not work through that person because he is already tainted.