[Debate] What Determines Ones Sexuality? Gene Or Enviroment?

[sasukesworld]

Its the persons choice genes dont choose that for a person

One of the dumbest things I ever heard...

OT: You can't choose your sexuality. How should one choose it?

 

[paratise]

You're trying to say people lie? Cross the world, see if you by 5% find a man or woman publicly in relationship with their identical ***.

That's plain ignorant. Do you know how people treat homosexuals in most countries? Some people can't even dare to say something like they read manga/anime for not being ridiculed ffs. Imagine it with homosexuality, people get discriminated, hated, beaten and murdered.

OT: What Riker Slade said.

 

[Tycor]

It's mostly between the ears. Like Anorexia, you won't find that anywhere soon in Africa..

 

[YowYan]

Surely it does, or at least it does for me. I choose who I am aroused by. I don't like men, because well It's just not cup of tea. I don't like loud black women. I don't like basic white women who think life consists solely of social media and Starbucks. Those are only a few, and I can go on. I can think of reasons why I like something and don't like it. Are you saying that is all pre-programmed?




Excuse me but who are you to say such a thing with such certainty?

People are hopeless. Sigh

 

[Joe Black]

It's not a choice, but effected by both genetic and environmental factors. It's debated which is more important (that's what I know u.u)

 

[cptenn94]

There are many different influences that would cause one to have a deviant sexuality. However the thing that makes the most difference(you could call it what determines sexuality), is having proper relationships with both genders.

Most people who are homosexual, are likely there because they did not have a strong relationship with a proper man, or that they did not have a strong relationship with their peers. So either they did not have proper relationships with males, or the males they have relationships with were lousy role models in what it is to be a man.

When I say relationships, the epitome of the relationships is like that which a soldier would have with his with his comrade. Where they both sacrifice for each other. They are masculine, yet open with each other, and love each other deeply. Yet it is not romance.

So homosexuals are born out of not having the relationships they NEED with men. This absence, is what causes them to be attracted to men. All men need intimate relationships with other men(though non romantic)

Then there are those that are homosexual due to being molested.
Then there are also very few that are homosexual due to other reasons, that are not easy to explain.

Now I just explained about men and homosexuality. This also applies to lesbians.(who do not have good relationships with other women)


Puberty is the catalyst. It is where all the factors begin to work.

Bisexuality and people who call themselves"transgender" are much more complicated topics.

And Im sure I will get hated and reported by you so called "equality loving people", but LGBT are deviant lifestyles and are not equal to normal heterosexual relationships. Also it is possible to "convert" and homosexual back into hetero sexuality.

And before you give me the bullcrap strawman argument of "your are a homophobic racist" or whatever, I have a older sister who WAS bisexual. She even went so far as to have *** and full blown relationships with women and men. However today, she no longer has a attraction to women anymore. Then there are tons of people who themselves have changed from deviant lifestyles.

I am not saying that people should be made to change. Just that they CAN if they want to.

First and foremost though, I believe in God. And because I believe in God, I believe that everybody is given a God given right to be free and make their own choices, and live their lives how they want to.

So if you are gay and like it and want to stay that way, then fine. You have the right to do so. I wont support your lifestyle at all, but I will support your freedom to live that way.


If anyone has any problems with this message then PM me.

 

[Multiply]

People are hopeless. Sigh

You are the worst kind of person, so you just might be right.

 

[Benjamin King]

That's plain ignorant. Do you know how people treat homosexuals in most countries? Some people can't even dare to say something like they read manga/anime for not being ridiculed ffs. Imagine it with homosexuality, people get discriminated, hated, beaten and murdered.

OT: What Riker Slade said.

Try the U.S. freedom exists for homos.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Like how I can find one woman attractive, yet another man could think she is hideous. How I could get off to a certain type of adult video, and another man thinks it's disgusting. All this relates to how you were raised and what the environment was like when you grew up.

Say a man was raised in an environment where his father and grandfather molested him. Now some people might grow up hating their father and grandfather for what they did to them. They might think that's disgusting. However, some people might grow up thinking that is the social norm, and that is what is correct. Are you going to say that person was going to end up molesting children even if his Father and Grandfather never did that atrocity?




Why can't someone in that scenario choose to be gay? Are you then saying people don't choose to be pedophiles, rapists, and murderers, regardless of the regard society holds them to? It's embedded in their biology and from the second they are birthed into this world, that is their destiny?

You're so incapable of reading it's hilarious. I've stated it before, and I'll state it again, the environment does have an affect on your sexuality, but it does so by affecting your biological factors, as well as psychological factors, all of which are beyond your control, in other words, beyond your choice. People have their sexuality because of the interaction of:

1. Environment
2. Biology
3. Psychology

The latter 2 are completely beyond your control, and the first one is half and half.

You are so adamant in arguing for why it's a choice that you become too ignorant and blind to realize the fact that what you are using to argue does not support what you're arguing for.

A straight person telling a gay person they chose to be gay when the gay person says they didn't is like someone punching you in the face and me deciding for you how much it hurts.

I notice that you are STILL dodging the question, you STILL can't tell me WHEN YOU chose your sexuality.

 

[paratise]

Try the U.S. freedom exists for homos.

Too bad US is 5% of the world at most.

You're trying to say people lie? Cross the world, see if you by 5% find a man or woman publicly in relationship with their identical ***.

Your words.

 

[Benjamin King]

Too bad US is 5% of the world at most.

Your words.

And I pulled them back.

 

[Punk Hazard]

There are many different influences that would cause one to have a deviant sexuality. However the thing that makes the most difference(you could call it what determines sexuality), is having proper relationships with both genders.

Most people who are homosexual, are likely there because they did not have a strong relationship with a proper man, or that they did not have a strong relationship with their peers. So either they did not have proper relationships with males, or the males they have relationships with were lousy role models in what it is to be a man.

When I say relationships, the epitome of the relationships is like that which a soldier would have with his with his comrade. Where they both sacrifice for each other. They are masculine, yet open with each other, and love each other deeply. Yet it is not romance.

So homosexuals are born out of not having the relationships they NEED with men. This absence, is what causes them to be attracted to men. All men need intimate relationships with other men(though non romantic)

Then there are those that are homosexual due to being molested.
Then there are also very few that are homosexual due to other reasons, that are not easy to explain.

Now I just explained about men and homosexuality. This also applies to lesbians.(who do not have good relationships with other women)


Puberty is the catalyst. It is where all the factors begin to work.

Bisexuality and people who call themselves"transgender" are much more complicated topics.

And Im sure I will get hated and reported by you so called "equality loving people", but LGBT are deviant lifestyles and are not equal to normal heterosexual relationships. Also it is possible to "convert" and homosexual back into hetero sexuality.

And before you give me the bullcrap strawman argument of "your are a homophobic racist" or whatever, I have a older sister who WAS bisexual. She even went so far as to have *** and full blown relationships with women and men. However today, she no longer has a attraction to women anymore. Then there are tons of people who themselves have changed from deviant lifestyles.

I am not saying that people should be made to change. Just that they CAN if they want to.

First and foremost though, I believe in God. And because I believe in God, I believe that everybody is given a God given right to be free and make their own choices, and live their lives how they want to.

So if you are gay and like it and want to stay that way, then fine. You have the right to do so. I wont support your lifestyle at all, but I will support your freedom to live that way.


If anyone has any problems with this message then PM me.

Studies have actually found that there are no cause-effect relationships between homosexuality and any of the following:

1. A child's relationships with parents
2. Father-absent homes
3. Fear or hatred of the opposite gender
4. Childhood sexual experiences
5. Peer relationships
6. Dating experiences

 

[Multiply]

You're so incapable of reading it's hilarious. I've stated it before, and I'll state it again, the environment does have an affect on your sexuality, but it does so by affecting your biological factors, as well as psychological factors, all of which are beyond your control, in other words, beyond your choice. People have their sexuality because of the interaction of:

1. Environment
2. Biology
3. Psychology

The latter 2 are completely beyond your control, and the first one is half and half.

You are so adamant in arguing for why it's a choice that you become too ignorant and blind to realize the fact that what you are using to argue does not support what you're arguing for.

A straight person telling a gay person they chose to be gay when the gay person says they didn't is like someone punching you in the face and me deciding for you how much it hurts.

I notice that you are STILL dodging the question, you STILL can't tell me WHEN YOU chose your sexuality.

@Bold, that is a horrible analogy.

What about the gay people that believe they are by choice. Are they now wrong just because you say so? Everything you have stated so far is 100% opinionated, yet you bash me as if it is some form of law. As if I'm telling you that gravity does not exist.

This argument can continue all day, but until there is concrete evidence on either side, neither of us are right. We can only believe what we want to believe and I can't change your opinions, and you mine. I believe there is a choice, and you believe there is not. I will agree to disagree.

 

[paratise]

And I pulled them back.

Still does not make much sense...

Anyway. Seeya MR.

 

[Skylar Knight]

@Bold, that is a horrible analogy.

What about the gay people that believe they are choice. Are they now wrong just because you say so? Everything you have stated so far is 100% opinionated, yet you bash me as if it is some form of law. As if I'm telling you that gravity does not exist.

This argument can continue all day, but until there is concrete evidence on either side, neither of us are right. We can only believe what we want to believe and I can't change your opinions, and you mine. I believe there is a choice, and you believe there is not. I will agree to disagree.

You clearly did not choose your sexuality. You base your arguments on how the environment is what determines ones sexuality, but then you go over to how it is a choice. What type of environment you were born in, and raised in, is beyond your control, which contradicts the post I'm replying to now. Looking back on your arguments, you mentioned how victims of sexual abuse have a higher risk of becoming the offenders later on in life, yet that's not a choice either. No one wants to be sexual abused.

Whether ones sexuality is determined by environment or gene, I don't know, but saying it's a choice is just plain annoying to me.

 

[Punk Hazard]

@Bold, that is a horrible analogy.

What about the gay people that believe they are by choice. Are they now wrong just because you say so? Everything you have stated so far is 100% opinionated, yet you bash me as if it is some form of law. As if I'm telling you that gravity does not exist.

This argument can continue all day, but until there is concrete evidence on either side, neither of us are right. We can only believe what we want to believe and I can't change your opinions, and you mine. I believe there is a choice, and you believe there is not. I will agree to disagree.

Nope it's a perfect analogy. You insist you know so well the feeling that you disagree with the actual people feeling it, when you don't.

Yeah, they are wrong, because sexuality has biological, psychological, and environmental roots, which cannot be controlled. People who think they chose to be gay are delusional.

Right, other than the fact that sexual, emotional, and mental attractions/arousal are rooted in things we can't control. Until people can control their biological factors completely, sexuality can never be a choice, plain and simple. People who insist on arguing that is are asinine.

 

[Kuroh]

It's one's surrounding environment and relationships with two genders in early childhood that determine their sexual orientation once they undergo puberty.
That's what American Psychological Association states.
If there ever had been such thing as gay gene, then the process of evolution would have gotten rid of it a long time ago.

^^^^This .

 

[Azu]

Why can't someone in that scenario choose to be gay? Are you then saying people don't choose to be pedophiles, rapists, and murderers, regardless of the regard society holds them to? It's embedded in their biology and from the second they are birthed into this world, that is their destiny?

Bold@ This is so off... Why there is such a thing as murder and rape in the first place, dude?

I am saying that according to your theory gay people wouldn't even exist in certain societies.

 

[Lightbringer]

It's all about diet brah. To stay straight you gotta eat your greens mate!