[Debate] What Determines Ones Sexuality? Gene Or Enviroment?

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Read the comments above.

You mean I have to believe in some theories? If they weren't theories there wouldn't be such a debate on them. It's like trying to debate that gravity doesn't exist at that point. Which is why my opinion is that it is a choice.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Interestingly, I found this:

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If homosexual genetic is found in a gene, you would have a large populous of homosexuals, because that gene is passed down. Thus going back to what I said, it's ''rare''. Most likely a choice. My genes do not determine whether I want to become engineer, doctor - it's the environment I lived in is what influences me to become that. My genes do not determine whether I'm a hard-worker or a genius, it's the environment I lived that determines that. My genes do not determine whether I'm attracted to a woman or a man, it's the environment I lived in to determine it for me. Thus, it's all my choice to do what I want to do.

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When did you choose to be aroused by what you're aroused by? How did you make this choice?

 

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When did you choose to be aroused by what you're aroused by? How did you make this choice?

Through your experiences in life. The same way you chose what career path you want to follow. You don't wake up one morning and say, I'm going to be a nuclear physicist. It's all about the environment you grow up in and around.

 

[Azu]

Yup. The fact that scientists have changed the sexualities of fruit flies by ****ing around with their genes, and have found similarities in the shapes of certain parts of the brain between homosexual men and heterosexual women that aren't found in heterosexual man support that the determination of sexuality has a large biological factor.

True this. Scientists reported a difference in size of certain parts of brain (part of hypothalamus maybe?) between homosexual and heterosexual person. So just like there are variations between man and woman in brain system there are also variations in brain based on sexual orientation.

But the research about genetic factors throughout the genome (X chromosome) is much more dominant because of results of the tests which were more persuasive than in the research about the brain structure.

But in the end scientists agreed that bological factors are only one of the multiple causes of homosexuality, meaning the factor is present but its not the only thing that determines sexual orientation.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Re-reading this thread, including my own posts, I realized the problem is that sexuality has too much of a sexual connotation due to the term's name. Homosexuality, asexuality, bisexuality, heterosexuality, they're all far more than just who you are and aren't ****ing. People seem to think it's just a matter of what uglies you bump, forgetting that sexuality is who you are physically attracted to, and who you are emotionally attracted to, who is excludes from these forms of attraction, what you're aroused by, and what you look for. None of these things can be controlled, so how can it be a choice? You can't choose what arouses you, when you're aroused, how much you're aroused, what emotions you feel towards someone or something, or how much, you just do.

The environment does have an affect, the womb is the environment that causes biological influences to your body as it prenatally develops, and that leads to your sexuality later in life.

I find it absolutely astounding, asinine, and kind of just plain sad, that you have gay people, who are ACTUALLY GAY, saying ¨I didn't choose this¨ and then being told by straight people, who have no idea what the feeling is, nor will they ever experience it, saying ¨No, you did" like they chose their sexuality.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Through your experiences in life. The same way you chose what career path you want to follow. You don't wake up one morning and say, I'm going to be a nuclear physicist. It's all about the environment you grow up in and around.

I didn't ask how, I asked WHEN. Tell me, WHEN did you CHOOSE, when you consciously make the choice, when did you sit down and tell your body ¨You like women.¨

True this. Scientists reported a difference in size of certain parts of brain (part of hypothalamus maybe?) between homosexual and heterosexual person. So just like there are variations between man and woman in brain system there are also variations in brain based on sexual orientation.

But the research about genetic factors throughout the genome (X chromosome) is much more dominant because of results of the tests which were more persuasive than in the research about the brain structure.

But in the end scientists agreed that bological factors are only one of the multiple causes of homosexuality, meaning the factor is present but its not the only thing that determines sexual orientation.

Yup. Studies have found that the hypothalamus of homosexual men react to the same way a straight woman's done when exposed to the smell of ***-related hormones, and that one particular cell cluster in the hypothalamus of homosexual men are bigger than that of straight men and women, showing there are biological features unique to homosexual people, which is an obvious indicator of biological causes.

 

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I didn't ask how, I asked WHEN. Tell me, WHEN did you CHOOSE, when you consciously make the choice, when did you sit down and tell your body ¨You like women.¨

Yup. Studies have found that the hypothalamus of homosexual men react to the same way a straight woman's done when exposed to the smell of ***-related hormones, and that one particular cell cluster in the hypothalamus of homosexual men are bigger than that of straight men and women, showing there are biological features unique to homosexual people, which is an obvious indicator of biological causes.

It's obviously not a literal question you have to ask. Through your experiences you find what you do like and what you don't like. Unless you mean the fact that I love pizza and hate lamb is genetic?

 

[Funky Tiger]

I've been waiting to post this for a long time.

List of mammals displaying homosexual behavior

African Buffalo
African Elephant
Agile Wallaby
Amazon River Dolphin(Boto)
American Bison
Antelope
Asian Elephant
Asiatic Lion
Asiatic Mouflon
Atlantic Spotted Dolphin
Australian Sea Lion
Barasingha
Barbary Sheep
Beluga
Bharal
Bighorn Sheep
Black Bear
Blackbuck
Black-footed Rock Wallaby
Black-tailed Deer
Bonnet Macaque
Bonobo
Bottlenose Dolphin
Bowhead Whale
Brazilian Guinea Pig
Bridled Dolphin
Brown Bear
Brown Capuchin
Brown Long-eared Bat
Brown Rat
Buffalo
Caribou
Cat (domestic)
Cattle (domestic)
Cheetah
Collared Peccary
Commerson's Dolphin
Common Brushtail Possum
Common Chimpanzee
Common Dolphin
Common Marmoset
Common Pipistrelle
Common Raccoon
Common Tree Shrew
Cotton-top Tamarin
Crab-eating Macaque
Crested Black Macaque
Dall's Sheep
Daubenton's Bat
Dog (domestic)
Doria's Tree Kangaroo
Dugong
Dwarf Cavy
Dwarf Mongoose
Eastern Cottontail Rabbit
Eastern Grey Kangaroo
Elk
Euro (a subspecies of wallaroo)
European Bison
Fallow Deer
False Killer Whale
Fat-tailed Dunnart
Fin Whale
Fox
Frank Sinatra
Gazelle
Gelada Baboon
Giraffe
Goat (Domestic)
Golden Monkey
Gorilla Grant's Gazelle
Grey-headed Flying Fox
Grey Seal
Grey squirreldisambiguation needed
Grey Whale
Grey Wolf
Grizzly Bear
Guinea Pig (Domestic)
Hamadryas Baboon
Hamster (Domestic)
Hanuman Langur
Harbor Porpoise
Harbor Seal
Himalayan Tahr
Hoary Marmot
Horse (domestic)
Human
Indian Fruit Bat
Indian Muntjac
Indian Rhinoceros
Japanese Macaque
Javelina
Kangaroo Rat
Killer Whale
Koala
Kob
Larga Seal
Least Chipmunk
Lechwe
Lesser Bushbaby
Lion
Lion-tailed Macaque
Lion Tamarin
Little Brown Bat
Livingstone's Fruit Bat
Long-eared Hedgehog
Long-footed Tree Shrew
Macaque
Markhor
Marten
Matschie's Tree Kangaroo
Moco
Mohol Galago
Moor Macaque
Moose
Mountain Goat
Mountain Tree Shrew
Mountain Zebra
Mouse (domestic)
Moustached Tamarin
Mule Deer
Musk-ox
Natterer's Bat
Neotris's mother
New Zealand Sea Lion
Nilgiri Langur
Noctule
North American Porcupine
Northern Elephant Seal
Northern Fur Seal
Northern Quoll
Olympic Marmot
Orangutan
Pacific Striped Dolphin
Patas Monkey
Pere David's Deer
Pig (Domestic)
Pig-tailed Macaque
Plains Zebra
Polar Bear
Pretty-faced Wallaby
Proboscis Monkey
Pronghorn
Przewalski's Horse
Puku
Quokka
Rabbit
Raccoon Dog
Red Deer
Red Fox
Red Kangaroo
Red-necked Wallaby
Red Squirrel
Reeves's Muntjac
Reindeer
Rhesus Macaque
Right Whale
Rock Cavy
Rodrigues Fruit Bat
Roe Deer
Rufous Bettong
Rufous-naped Tamarin
Rufous Rat Kangaroo
Saddle-back Tamarin
Savanna Baboon
Sea Otter
Serotine Bat
Sheep (Domestic)
Siamang
Sika Deer
Slender Tree Shrew
Sooty Mangabey
Sperm Whale
Spinifex Hopping Mouse
Spinner Dolphin
Spotted Hyena
Spotted Seal
Squirrel Monkey
Striped Dolphin
Stuart's Marsupial Mouse
Stumptail Macaque
Swamp Deer
Swamp Wallaby
Takhi
Talapoin
Tammar Wallaby
Tasmanian Devil
Tasmanian Rat Kangaroo
Thinhorn Sheep
Thomson's Gazelle
Tonkean Macaque
Tucuxi
Urial
Vampire Bat
Verreaux's Sifaka
Vervet
Vicuna
Walrus
Wapiti
Warthog
Waterbuck
Water Buffalo
Weeper Capuchin
Western Grey Kangaroo
West Indian Manatee
Whiptail Wallaby
White-faced Capuchin
White-fronted Capuchin
White-handed Gibbon
White-lipped Peccary
White-tailed Deer
Wild Cavy
Wild Goat
Wisent
Yellow-footed Rock Wallaby
Yellow-toothed Cavy

So yea its probably more than just environment

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's obviously not a literal question you have to ask. Through your experiences you find what you do like and what you don't like. Unless you mean the fact that I love pizza and hate lamb is genetic?

Genetic? No. Caused by environmental effects on your biology that you cannot control and have no choice over? Yes.

Still waiting for someone to stop dodging the question.

 

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Genetic? No. Caused by environmental effects on your biology that you cannot control and have no choice over? Yes.

Still waiting for someone to stop dodging the question.

What question?

 

[Ping]

Rather... both. Maybe an acquired taste as well. ( '_')

What question?

Is it a choice to be attracted to something/someone?

 

[Punk Hazard]

What question?

when did you control your body's biological functions to exclusively be attracted to women and not men.

Arousal, attraction, all have biological roots, from the brain redirecting blood flow to your penis for erections, to the brain releasing your sexual hormones. I wanna know when you controlled these and made your choice, as homosexual people did according to you.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

I think it depends on the person, I know a lot of gay people who have been abused or grew up the only male, or female in their life. It definitely has an effect.

But I've also known people who were just super gay. So I don't know exactly honestly.

 

[King Kendrick]

when did you control your body's biological functions to exclusively be attracted to women and not men.

Arousal, attraction, all have biological roots, from the brain redirecting blood flow to your penis for erections, to the brain releasing your sexual hormones. I wanna know when you controlled these and made your choice, as homosexual people did according to you.

This .

 

[Azu]

It's obviously not a literal question you have to ask. Through your experiences you find what you do like and what you don't like. Unless you mean the fact that I love pizza and hate lamb is genetic?

In the country where I live being gay is considered awful to that extent that you can hear people saying they would rather kill their own child instead of he/she being gay. When they try to ask for the rights they are being physically assaulted, and I know examples when some of them had to move in order to live normal life.

So you are saying that people, for example people who live in societies like that choose to be gay???

Every single person around you telling you that being gay is the worst thing ever so than why? Experiences around you certainly telling you not to be...

 

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when did you control your body's biological functions to exclusively be attracted to women and not men.

Arousal, attraction, all have biological roots, from the brain redirecting blood flow to your penis for erections, to the brain releasing your sexual hormones. I wanna know when you controlled these and made your choice, as homosexual people did according to you.

Like how I can find one woman attractive, yet another man could think she is hideous. How I could get off to a certain type of adult video, and another man thinks it's disgusting. All this relates to how you were raised and what the environment was like when you grew up.

Say a man was raised in an environment where his father and grandfather molested him. Now some people might grow up hating their father and grandfather for what they did to them. They might think that's disgusting. However, some people might grow up thinking that is the social norm, and that is what is correct. Are you going to say that person was going to end up molesting children even if his Father and Grandfather never did that atrocity?

In the country where I live being gay is considered awful to that extent that you can hear people saying they would rather kill their own child instead of he/she being gay. When they try to ask for the rights they are being physically assaulted, and I know examples when some of them had to move in order to live normal life.

So you are saying that people, for example people who live in societies like that choose to be gay???

Every single person around you telling you that being gay is the worst thing ever so than why? Experiences around you certainly telling you not to be...

Why can't someone in that scenario choose to be gay? Are you then saying people don't choose to be pedophiles, rapists, and murderers, regardless of the regard society holds them to? It's embedded in their biology and from the second they are birthed into this world, that is their destiny?

 

[King Kendrick]

Like how I can find one woman attractive, yet another man could think she is hideous. How I could get off to a certain type of adult video, and another man thinks it's disgusting. All this relates to how you were raised and what the environment was like when you grew up.

Say a man was raised in an environment where his father and grandfather molested him. Now some people might grow up hating their father and grandfather for what they did to them. They might think that's disgusting. However, some people might grow up thinking that is the social norm, and that is what is correct. Are you going to say that person was going to end up molesting children even if his Father and Grandfather never did that atrocity?




Why can't someone in that scenario choose to be gay? Are you then saying people don't choose to be pedophiles, rapists, and murderers, regardless of the regard society holds them to? It's embedded in their biology and from the second they are birthed into this world, that is their destiny?

Your on something else , obviously people choose to be killers , rapists , molesters snd such that doesn't neccesarily mean just cause they can choose to be those things they can choose who arouses them .

 

[YowYan]

It's a choice.

No, it is not.

Sinpletons everywhere..

 

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Your on something else , obviously people choose to be killers , rapists , molesters snd such that doesn't neccesarily mean just cause they can choose to be those things they can choose who arouses them .

Surely it does, or at least it does for me. I choose who I am aroused by. I don't like men, because well It's just not cup of tea. I don't like loud black women. I don't like basic white women who think life consists solely of social media and Starbucks. Those are only a few, and I can go on. I can think of reasons why I like something and don't like it. Are you saying that is all pre-programmed?

No, it is not.

Sinpletons everywhere..

Excuse me but who are you to say such a thing with such certainty?

 

[Joker]

They obviously woke up one day, and said I like sausage, or I like hamburgers. It's a choice, duh.