What defeats Yata Mirror?

[davidou]

Spamming explosive kunais will work, noone has infinite stamina that would allow him to make last susano'o hours and hours.

 

[Ansatsuken]

That's what I ****ing said in the other post. **** this, I'm not gonna argue anymore with you "smart asses".

The question isn't really that forward. The OP hasn't come to say anything yet to confirm your claim. I agreed that by defeating Yata he meant destroying it. But what the f does defeating it even mean? By my account, defeating something means the subject concerned has intentions of fighting, and can in fact retaliate if needed.

You can look the word up. It refers to a fight or war that has been won, in which case the subjects were involved in a fight. Which raises doubt in what he was referring to by that. I don't know what you were taught in your school but mine taught me that defeating someone means the other person had "intentions" of winning or triumphing as subsequent event of the happenstance of the fight, which can't apply to a mere weapon, which is void of feeling any emotions or vehemence.

I don't know what's so hard about admitting that the OP could have gone wrong in the question. He didn't specify or make clear of what he was really referring to. To the Yata being destroyed in the process, or just bypassing its defense. As that's defeating it in a theoretical sense if Itachi gets hurt. Which means it was nullified from protecting its wielder. That meaning that the weapon got bested in some sense.

I'm only even arguing against your claims now because you were too decadent to absorb what I said later on. Which was that the OP meant only the weapon and Itachi was just a secondary subject with no relevance to the raises matter.

I'd like therefore, to submit that I will not peruse your imminent post because I'm kind of irritating hearing the same thing get incessantly get repeated without any sensible thing being raise.

That means you need to learn how NB works and not went by the definition that your school has tought you.

I never sided with Rasta or even you although both presenting 'logical thought'. I just wanted to make the situation simple/make the situation clear. Posting a paragraph over something thiz trivial is useless let alone attacking an idea/believe of someone.

Okey the difination of 'defeat' here in conjunction to Yata is can any attack render Yata useless where after destroying it/bypassing it we can take on Itachi?

-Kamui maybe can/maybe cant bypass Yata to 'defeats' its defense mechanism.

-if some attacks can destroy it completely, it clearly 'defeats' it completely.

But if you going straight to attack Itachi just to disable the Yata defense and not Yata directly, how that count as 'defeating' Yata but Itachi?. By defeating Itachi its not mean you've 'defeat' Yata. It just mean Yata is unbeatable.

 

[UnknownJin]

Defeating Itachi before he uses Yata Mirror isn't by definition defeating the technique, it's defeating Itachi. In shorthand form the question is, what technique/jutsu gets through Yata Mirror's defense. I don't or wouldn't consider Itachi's "philosophy" a technique/jutsu.....

It can be destroyed , but it will block the attack.

 

[Erotic L]

That means you need to learn how NB works and not went by the definition that your school has tought you.

I never sided with Rasta or even you although both presenting 'logical thought'. I just wanted to make the situation simple/make the situation clear. Posting a paragraph over something thiz trivial is useless let alone attacking an idea/believe of someone.

Okey the difination of 'defeat' here in conjunction to Yata is can any attack render Yata useless where after destroying it/bypassing it we can take on Itachi?

-Kamui maybe can/maybe cant bypass Yata to 'defeats' its defense mechanism.

-if some attacks can destroy it completely, it clearly 'defeats' it completely.

But if you going straight to attack Itachi just to disable the Yata defense and not Yata directly, how that count as 'defeating' Yata but Itachi?. By defeating Itachi its not mean you've 'defeat' Yata. It just mean Yata is unbeatable.

>How NB works shouldn't deviate from universal establishments for one's subjectives views and perceptions.

>Yeah, posting the paragraph was pretty unnecessary, but it had to be said.

>If it's that trivial, why couldn't you just leave it alone instead of trying to be heroic by repeating the same information with only different words?

>Defeating it could mean it not being useful or rendering its purpose. If something has been defeated, it means it was detracted from fulfilling the purpose it serves, in the sense its purpose ended up being nullified or ceased from being rendered. That's why I advise rechecking with the OP what he meant by defeating Yata Mirror, as seemingly, physically defeating it has been obviously established as futile from the start. I mentioned Kamui for instance, which is a technique that goes behind physicality and can therefore render the defense useless, which made me deduce that if it can't be physically nullified, then attacks that are aimed at deliberately bypassing it instead of futilely trying to destroy it could be the best option.

>I sort of promised not to read into your post but it seems I failed to do that. Because obviously, I got notified of this post.

>Again, if it's that trivial, why are we even trying to decipher it?

Empty words I see. And hiding behind what NB is, is cowardly if I should be brutally honest with you :nefer:

 

[Nobel]

Do you monkeys never learn.?

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[Bad Touch Yakushi]

With the right set-up, even Shopping Cart Destroyer could work, you just have to think outside the box. It's not an attack, it's a landmass.

It worked on Kyuubi and huge Oro summons so it's large enough to dwarf a pre-Perfect Susanoo.

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Many characters have stalling abilities that would render Susanoo useless or stalling abilities to put it on a time limit. Honestly, what's stopping Minato or Kabuto summoning their biggest summon on top of it? How will it lift it's arm? Susanoo shatters under the weight or traps him there until Susanoo usage forces him to drop it. Upon...he gets squashed by Chief Toad or Manda II.
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[Ansatsuken]

>How NB works shouldn't deviate from universal establishments for one's subjectives views and perceptions.

>Yeah, posting the paragraph was pretty unnecessary, but it had to be said.

>If it's that trivial, why couldn't you just leave it alone instead of trying to be heroic by repeating the same information with only different words?

>Defeating it could mean it not being useful or rendering its purpose. If something has been defeated, it means it was detracted from fulfilling the purpose it serves, in the sense its purpose ended up being nullified or ceased from being rendered. That's why I advise rechecking with the OP what he meant by defeating Yata Mirror, as seemingly, physically defeating it has been obviously established as futile from the start. I mentioned Kamui for instance, which is a technique that goes behind physicality and can therefore render the defense useless, which made me deduce that if it can't be physically nullified, then attacks that are aimed at deliberately bypassing it instead of futilely trying to destroy it could be the best option.

>I sort of promised not to read into your post but it seems I failed to do that. Because obviously, I got notified of this post.

>Again, if it's that trivial, why are we even trying to decipher it?

Empty words I see. And hiding behind what NB is, is cowardly if I should be brutally honest with you :nefer:

>you can go with yur universal establisment but most of people who posted their answer here mostly stated how this attack can destroy Yata. They used their argument to attack Yata/to 'defeats' Yata directly and not by attacking Itachi but directly on Yata.

So you want to say that they didnt follow the universal establishment of word 'defeat' bcus yur universal establishment of word 'defeat' is take on someone and emerge victorious, and thing like Yata is not someone thus is not eligible.

Most of them understood the title as Overcome the Yata and not overcome Itachi.

>The paragraphs with a little relevent subject that can be discuss sure is unnecessary. No one want to know and discuss about yur school teaching, yur feeling, yur universal understanding, yur over thinking. People like Rasta only want to discuss/argue about how defeating Itachi is equal as defeating Yata.

Yeah, you have an after thought about this matter. But going full length to defend yur after thought and used OP as an excuss on how youre not clear on OP's objective is laugable.

>This doesnt need a rechecking bcus most of people here understand what that 'defeats' mean.

Its either destroying Yata completely or can bypass its defense mechanism. Its simple. Its all toward defeating Yata as an absolute objective but not Itachi.

>Its not an empty word but I think you misunderstood my intention here

 

[Melanin]

Bruh, tell me how this is different from marking a student's answer as wrong because he wrote a wrong answer which he cancelled out and wrote a completely different one.

Trivial.

All I'm saying is how am I suppose know that you changed your position or a revised retrospect on the topic if you never refrenced it in a direct reply to me? All you had to say was that your original stance on the topic changed and I would've responded accordinglyz

Are you seriously gonna crucify me for something I specifically marked as trivial and might have been wrong in?

Get out of your feelings please, you never reiterated to me directly that you were wrong. I can't know you something if you haven't told me you haven't done that until now so I'm don't understand why your being passive aggressive.

Plus, I don't really care what your take on my opinion is. You don't daunt me in any way, so why should I be compelled to justify myself.

Here you go again with the sensitivity and passive aggressiveness... (1) you don't need to worry about if I care about your opinion in this particular topic because it isn't required but it's more so irrelevant. (2) you can't justify something that's incoherent or the inability to get your point across in a clear manner so I don't see why I would expect you too justify you being wrong. F

I've said it once. You don't strike as me as a sort of person who could think of such on his own.

Yet I out thought you with my initial response, I mean aren't you the one a mistake? By your own admission, which really a big deal..

What I see here is someone trying to come across as clairvoyant when they actually swindle someone else's idea and just rewrote the words to make it seem they came up with it.

How is me reminding you that you never relayed you new take on the topic or your retrospect the same as trying to predict the future guy? (2) My counter to your initial response to me is consistent to all of my post(s) and if you read "coherently" you'll to find out that the argument I posed isn't indicative to what anyone else stated before or after my initial response. My words are my own and doesn't mimic anyone else's words, especially yours...

I don't even know why I'm perpetuating this argument, 'cause it's clear to you or anyone else what I thought ultimately. The idea was there so it doesn't matter what I decided. And the OP isn't even bothered to say anything on this. So this thread is dead anyways. In short: give up on making me seem asinine so you could be established as adroit and perceptive when the idea wasn't originally yours :nefer:

I don't have make you look asaine because your doing a great job of that on your own and again I didn't take anyone's idea, my elaboration was more contingent then yours from the beginning.. this is honestly a terrible deflection, anyway what's it's weakness?

 

[Erotic L]

Trivial.

All I'm saying is how am I suppose know that you changed your position or a revised retrospect on the topic if you never refrenced it in a direct reply to me? All you had to say was that your original stance on the topic changed and I would've responded accordinglyz



Get out of your feelings please, you never reiterated to me directly that you were wrong. I can't know you something if you haven't told me you haven't done that until now so I'm don't understand why your being passive aggressive.



Here you go again with the sensitivity and passive aggressiveness... (1) you don't need to worry about if I care about your opinion in this particular topic because it isn't required but it's more so irrelevant. (2) you can't justify something that's incoherent or the inability to get your point across in a clear manner so I don't see why I would expect you too justify you being wrong. F



Yet I out thought you with my initial response, I mean aren't you the one a mistake? By your own admission, which really a big deal..



How is me reminding you that you never relayed you new take on the topic or your retrospect the same as trying to predict the future guy? (2) My counter to your initial response to me is consistent to all of my post(s) and if you read "coherently" you'll to find out that the argument I posed isn't indicative to what anyone else stated before or after my initial response. My words are my own and doesn't mimic anyone else's words, especially yours...



I don't have make you look asaine because your doing a great job of that on your own and again I didn't take anyone's idea, my elaboration was more contingent then yours from the beginning.. this is honestly a terrible deflection, anyway what's it's weakness?

Let me just stop this nonsense. Yeah, the post means I changed my mind, so yeah I changed my mind, Rasta-sama.

 

[JStar King]

Obito's Kamui.

 

[Erotic L]

>you can go with yur universal establisment but most of people who posted their answer here mostly stated how this attack can destroy Yata. They used their argument to attack Yata/to 'defeats' Yata directly and not by attacking Itachi but directly on Yata.

So you want to say that they didnt follow the universal establishment of word 'defeat' bcus yur universal establishment of word 'defeat' is take on someone and emerge victorious, and thing like Yata is not someone thus is not eligible.

Most of them understood the title as Overcome the Yata and not overcome Itachi.

>The paragraphs with a little relevent subject that can be discuss sure is unnecessary. No one want to know and discuss about yur school teaching, yur feeling, yur universal understanding, yur over thinking. People like Rasta only want to discuss/argue about how defeating Itachi is equal as defeating Yata.

Yeah, you have an after thought about this matter. But going full length to defend yur after thought and used OP as an excuss on how youre not clear on OP's objective is laugable.

>This doesnt need a rechecking bcus most of people here understand what that 'defeats' mean.

Its either destroying Yata completely or can bypass its defense mechanism. Its simple. Its all toward defeating Yata as an absolute objective but not Itachi.

>Its not an empty word but I think you misunderstood my intention here

90% thought the subject that was being referred to was Itachi. Recheck the posts. Most comments were just about bypassing Itachi and not destroying the actual subject. So far you've only come up with irrational arguments about me dismissing Yata Mirror as the primary subject and delving into Itachi instead when I specifically made mention of the fact the OP might have solely meant the Yata Mirror.

I don't know why this should be called a thread when other things I made mention of get blocked out, or it's your culture to take only first posts into account, as it seems the post that was in tandem with the first has been completely thrown out the window.

To be honest, I'm not so complacent as to not admit when I'm wrong, but it irritates me when someone dismisses my argument completely, or only picks up things that they feel are important and erase the others from their vicinity of concern. It just makes the whole argument pointless.

I also can't fathom why I should repeat myself to another person, or the sense of obligation that you give of it when it's not my duty to write out a post to each and everyone in the the thread about my reconsiderations. That's just preposterous if you ask me. There are so many people that view a thread, and you expect me to inform each one of my retrospective thoughts, which I've already made available by posting them to someone else.

If you're too indolent to read the whole thread, then that's not my problem. Don't hold me accountable for your misconceptions and ignorance to new information. The other became obsolete the moment I posted the retrospect, which is still crystal clear, and what you choose to take is your choice. A post I made 10 hours ago or a post I made 2 minutes ago.

This whole thing just makes me wonder what your taste in food even is. If you even check the expiry dates when you're shopping or you just put everything in the cart. That too, isn't my problem. Ignorance is a choice.

 

[Amazeballs]

If you read coherently, then you should see, another post follows that's in retrospect of that post you're so adamantly stuck to (which means I had an afterthought). The OP hasn't even confirmed what he meant exactly by defeat. That could have different meanings. Bypassing it could be the same as defeating it as that's also nullifying its effects from countering your attacks.

Yeah, I wanted to address the shield head-on the avoid pretending that it's some super-unbeatable defense that needs to be bypassed. But yes, it only protects the Susano'o from one angle, so bypassing is fair game. One could either attack a weaker section of Susano'o or strike from below the Susano'o. I just wanted to point out that in a battle with upper-tiers, many of the stronger attacks would either break or severely damage the shield, regardless of its properties.

 

[Shruikan]

All it takes is to be fast enough to get past or to have a 360 degree of attack, like TSB from all angles, since it can't guard everywhere. But hitting the thing itself yields no results.

Yata Mirror can change its form an provide 360 degree protection

 

[Made in Heaven]

Yata Mirror can change its form an provide 360 degree protection

Proof?

 

[Tyrannus]

Nothing

 

[Shruikan]

Proof?

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[Made in Heaven]

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That's not 360 degrees of defense. That's changing its properties to counter any attack that hits it.

 

[Mellanoma]

That's not 360 degrees of defense.That's changing its properties to counter any attack that hits it.

So if it is attacked from all angles and Yata is capable of blocking ANY attack then that would mean it would change its properties to block from all angles correct?

 

[Ansatsuken]

90% thought the subject that was being referred to was Itachi. Recheck the posts. Most comments were just about bypassing Itachi and not destroying the actual subject. So far you've only come up with irrational arguments about me dismissing Yata Mirror as the primary subject and delving into Itachi instead when I specifically made mention of the fact the OP might have solely meant the Yata Mirror.

I don't know why this should be called a thread when other things I made mention of get blocked out, or it's your culture to take only first posts into account, as it seems the post that was in tandem with the first has been completely thrown out the window.

To be honest, I'm not so complacent as to not admit when I'm wrong, but it irritates me when someone dismisses my argument completely, or only picks up things that they feel are important and erase the others from their vicinity of concern. It just makes the whole argument pointless.

I also can't fathom why I should repeat myself to another person, or the sense of obligation that you give of it when it's not my duty to write out a post to each and everyone in the the thread about my reconsiderations. That's just preposterous if you ask me. There are so many people that view a thread, and you expect me to inform each one of my retrospective thoughts, which I've already made available by posting them to someone else.

If you're too indolent to read the whole thread, then that's not my problem. Don't hold me accountable for your misconceptions and ignorance to new information. The other became obsolete the moment I posted the retrospect, which is still crystal clear, and what you choose to take is your choice. A post I made 10 hours ago or a post I made 2 minutes ago.

This whole thing just makes me wonder what your taste in food even is. If you even check the expiry dates when you're shopping or you just put everything in the cart. That too, isn't my problem. Ignorance is a choice.

I already checked all the posts minus the trolling one only Lady Byakugan and maybe Davidou talking about bypassing Itachi but Amazeball, BTY, You! YEA you and Scryed all talking about bypassing Yata or putting a weight on it.

Yur post strikes me more compares to LB bcus you're active arguing with people' posts

So do I need to counter all you 'feeling' centric reply here bcus I saw very little but actually completely non a subject that can be discuss with related to Yata and 'defeats' but just a post of talking about other people thinking?

I'm also have a broder definition about what word 'defeat' represents in this thread and its all centered around Yata but straight defeating Itachi doesnt mean you have defeat Yata bcus Yata is still indestructible by all means. By defeating Itachi, it just cease the Yata from activation.

Actually it defeats the entire meaning of "What defeats Yata?" Then it best to reword the title as " what defeat Yata and Itachi simultaneously?," is that so?

Please! if you want to argue with me, argue about the subject of thread and not about the individual. Yea I know its tiresome repeated what you said to other incessantly but it same for me.I expect more thorough discussion but what I get is this,

" This whole thing just makes me wonder what your taste in food even is. If you even check the expiry dates when you're shopping or you just put everything in the cart. That too, isn't my problem. Ignorance is a choice."

Its not about my ignorance but your inability and patiently arguing with people. Like Rasta said Passive aggressive. Your post most of it lack substance but more about rant.

 

[Shruikan]

That's not 360 degrees of defense. That's changing its properties to counter any attack that hits it.

It doesn't have a physical form meaning its shapeless. It can convert into any shape the wielder wants it to as he can change its attributes including shape