[Discussion] what about Ace's haki

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I thought it was dragon
No it was Ace.

I asked for skill. Him having CoO =/= being able to use it himself. Nice proof that he has access, but no proof he has mastery over it. I probably worded this wrong:

He has no mastery of any form of Haki.
Awww, someone's little feelings got hurt. Disliking a post from someone because they disliked one of yours, real mature there, guy. As I said I disliked your first post for sharing incorrect information, now you wanna try and change what you said because you were wrong and you want to get an attitude about it, grow up, kid.
 

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But oda never made that haki to turn something into metal hard and at the ace's trial only thing that was made better was conqueror
so the talk about aces observation and armanent haki is pretty pointless
The fact that Ace was aware Teach was a Logia and proceeded to attack him without Busoshoku either means Ace is an idiot, or he didn't use Busoshoku.
 

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The fact that Ace was aware Teach was a Logia and proceeded to attack him without Busoshoku either means Ace is an idiot, or he didn't use Busoshoku.
Again, he was testing BB because he realized before that physical attacks were affecting him despite him saying he was a logia, hence why he added after the attack that it was strange that it affects him despite him saying he was a logia. Note that Ace even said that he shouldn't have been affected by these kind of attacks, implying he could have affected him with other type of attacks(hakified attacks)

BB also said it had been a long while since Ace had been hit, despite living in the new world, which implies that he knew the method admirals use to nullify hakified attacks
 

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Again, he was testing BB because he realized before that physical attacks were affecting him despite him saying he was a logia, hence why he added after the attack that it was strange that it affects him despite him saying he was a logia. Note that Ace even said that he shouldn't have been affected by these kind of attacks, implying he could have affected him with other type of attacks(hakified attacks)

BB also said it had been a long while since Ace had been hit, despite living in the new world, which implies that he knew the method admirals use to nullify hakified attacks
Saying these kinds of attacks doesn't inherently imply that Ace had other means of injuring his intangible body, It simply means the kinds of attacks Ace uses wouldn't work. Having another variant and not having another variant are equally implied by the statement.

The Whitebeard pirates often fight in teams and have teamwork down to a T. They've been shown to fight together. Ace could simply take on people he didn't need Haki for and leave the rest to his comrades who do have them.
 

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The fact that Ace was aware Teach was a Logia and proceeded to attack him without Busoshoku either means Ace is an idiot, or he didn't use Busoshoku.
you did not require haki to attack teach. his fruit powers are not like some normal logia fruit. even luffy punched him in impel down without knowing any haki:bdpf:
 

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Comedic effect. Nami could bruise Luffy with normal punches despite his rubber body being immune to Moriah stepping on him with punches And kicks that can split an island. Oda said not to look at the comedic moments so seriously.
Ah forgot about nami. In that case I have to say that ace has no CoA or CoO. I still find it weird that he was a member of a yonkou crew and a commander to boot but still didnt have haki when it was explicitly stated those who rely on logia intangibility in the New world will get killed. Yet ace didnt, (I suppose he must have quickly realized not to rely on it) I think if oda had introduced haki before ace was captured he would have had it, but unfortunately for him it was introduced too late.

But yeah I have to agree that ace cant have CoO or CoC unbless he was really dumb and didnt use it. But no evidence gives him those abilities so...
 

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it is shown before the time skip but not alot and not in detail. yes we see different people using different types. also you dont have to prove a point when it say "not really" meaning its there so pointing every time out. come on. also bb says in the anime after luffy punches him that he has good haki in the punch.
but for ace who knows about armament but to never use it would suggest that is this weakest part of haki.
also there is a 4th haki i think " the voice of all things" luffy has shown it rayleigh has said roger had it on i think tobi will also have it. anime number 400 or 401. rayleigh and robin talking part.
 

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Ah forgot about nami. In that case I have to say that ace has no CoA or CoO. I still find it weird that he was a member of a yonkou crew and a commander to boot but still didnt have haki when it was explicitly stated those who rely on logia intangibility in the New world will get killed. Yet ace didnt, (I suppose he must have quickly realized not to rely on it) I think if oda had introduced haki before ace was captured he would have had it, but unfortunately for him it was introduced too late. But yeah I have to agree that ace cant have CoO or CoC unbless he was really dumb and didnt use it. But no evidence gives him those abilities so...
I agree with the bold, that's how I've always figured it. @bold #2, Well he did fall asleep during battle from time to time, it seems he's not the most serious fighter around.
 

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I think its just a plot hole to kill Ace to push luffy to extreme.
Its been said by so many people in onepiece that in the new world most of the fighters have haki.
I believe he has haki.But he didn't use it for some reason.Maybe it will explained later when luffy fights BB
 
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