No your failing to see the point. What is your proof that drunken lee reacts faster? You don't have any all your doing is saying things without any manga facts to back them up.
Ok dumbass lets use logic , normal Lee would get curbed by KN0 Naruto in taijutsu easier than 2T Sasuke , yet Base Kimimaro casually dealt with a Army of them without breaking a sweat while at the same time keeping them all from escaping with Sasuke's coffin , meanwhile Drunken Lee has reflexes which enables him to easily best a partially CM activated Kimimaro without breaking a sweat in a plit second, something that he wouldn't be able to do in Base if up against KN0 Naruto much less CM Kimimaro..
Ok dumbass lets use logic , normal Lee would get curbed by KN0 Naruto in taijutsu easier than 2T Sasuke , yet Base Kimimaro casually dealt with a Army of them without breaking a sweat while at the same time keeping them all from escaping with Sasuke's coffin , meanwhile Drunken Lee has reflexes which enables him to easily best a partially CM activated Kimimaro without breaking a sweat in a plit second, something that he wouldn't be able to do in Base if up against KN0 Naruto much less CM Kimimaro..
BOLD is completely baseless. Actually they weren't all kn0 clones as shown here[
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Ur still failing to see the point , Drunken Lee reacts faster and more accordingly compared to normal , with much better execution and timing which makes the rate at which he fights in melee faster than normal Lee with much better movements making his combat speed faster as he can react
Lmao this clown brings a scan way after Kimi already shit stomped all the other clones with only those remaining to try and prove his dumbass point when a whole fight happened before that instance where KN0 Clones were getting wtf-stomped lol..
He didn't do anything to cm1 Kimmimaro. He barely managed to land a hit on base Kimmimaro. He'd get crushed against cm1 Kimmimaro just like he got did in cannon.
He instantly turned the tables on CM1 Kimi catching him by surprise and was about to deck him in the stomach nigh instantly.
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Obviously he couldn't do anything to Kimi in the end simply because of his KKG so just sit ur dumbass down and stick to debating the Moon Vs Madara's CT.
Lmao this clown brings a scan way after Kimi already shit stomped all the other clones with only those remaining to try and prove his dumbass point when a whole fight happened before that instance where KN0 Clones were getting wtf-stomped lol..
Doesn't matter that scan just proves what i was saying. Shitting on those clones does not mean he's superior to 3 tomoe Sasuke in cqc what don't your goofy ass get about this.
He instantly turned the tables on CM1 Kimi catching him by surprise and was about to deck him in the stomach nigh instantly.
Obviously he couldn't do anything to Kimi in the end simply because of his KKG so just sit ur dumbass down and stick to debating the Moon Vs Madara's CT.
He instantly turned the tables? Lol Rock lee saw one opening in which he couldn't even counter and he still got cut. None of that matters since he won't be doing anything like this to Sasuke. Lol stick to CT vs the Moon thread had shit to do with that. LOOL you backed down from Unorthodox. Got sonned by Jugram and now im disowning your goofy ass. Go back to wanking Neji your Rock lee wank sucks.
he needed to create an opening for chidori to land on naruto because the latter would always match it with rasengan thus leading to a stalemate. running at him with it would therefore be pointless since naruto can counter with ninjutsu
That doesn't make sense to me. The fact that he can counter with Rasengan shows the speed of chidori against Lee since Naruto would have to create a clone first and the form it as a counter. This isn't a counter and my point holds.
i dont see how this helps your case when lee doesnt have ninjutsu to counter thus his only defense is to dodge and he is not dodging twice in close range when sasuke can move as quick as him and anticipate his movements with sharingan especially if he utilizes distractions in the form of katon.
I showed him being able to bring a tree root from underneath as a counter. Not to mention he can counter left or right considering his speed. This isn't an issue especially considering the fact that Naruto not only jumped up to evade, but he's also slower than Lee.
Again, I countered this post.
-lee attacks while he is close, sasuke uses katon
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, lee dodges upwards, left or right, sasuke anticipates with sharingan
Lol what? Sasuke isn't pulling that attack from close range when you have Lee's kind of speed around. Don't compare him to Base Naruto. He needs to use a hand seal
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and then he needs to inhale. Lee can even dodge beforehand once he sees that hand seal making the evasion of the technique easier and faster. Lee isn't silly or as slow as you're imagining that Sasuke would do such to him. Not to mention , let's reason this actually, Sasuke uses fire style from a close range lol, Lee evades and Sasuke rams him? How is this happening? If this was a reasonable strategy then it would have been the case with the Naruto situation where he jumped up and then would have been hit. You're not factoring the fact that Chidori needs to be prepared regardless of the short time if and won't be coming straight after Sasuke uses that fire style. Lee would dodge this way too fast from close range for Sasuke to use Chidori on him as a quick counter.
-sasuke matches him in speed and taijutsu skill, add the sharingan which would allow him react better and lee is getting put on his ass in a continuous exchange as he doesnt have any sort of advantage whatsoever, when that happens sasuke then kills him with chidori before he completely recovers since he would be close by.
Sasuke matches him in speed but not Taijutsu. Even the DB gives Lee a superior Taijutsu. I literally just showed you Base Naruto being able to hold him in Taijutsu in some instances? Even with his 2T. There's no scenario where Lee's overwhelmed.
sasukes limits being 2 is irrelevant since he would hit lee with one of the 2 attempts
-he needed to create an opening with chidori because the latter would eimply counter with rasengan, add the fact that sasuke always moved at him from afar allowing him to form the rasengan, means nothing against lee who needs to evade to escape but in close range and with distractions in place, he doesnt.
@Tre Mercer, Funny how you love to talk and belittle others but then drop posts like this? Lmao but I'll address in you, Jugen and whoever in one full post addressing why you guys have little knowledge on Drunken Lee.
Sasuke's imaginary boost
Sasuke didn't get any magnificent boost until he trained with Kakashi. Suggesting he got a boost is ridiculous and based on absolutely nothing. Nothing else. KN0 Naruto was blitzing the hell out of Sasuke in VOTE and that same KN0 with clones couldn't touch Kimmimaro. Drunken Lee was "too" fast for him.
Naruto and Kimmimaro's Fight vs Rock Lee and Kimmimaro's Fight
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Base 2T Sasuke against Base Lee? Nah Lee got that hype :lol but Kimmi encountered KN0 Naruto before he made that statement.
Naruto vs Kimmimaro
- I saw this due say that the clones against Kimmi weren't enhanced with the Kyuubi Chakra? Wrong. Naruto resorted to this first which got ultimately defeated with Kimmi not being touched. You can see the KN0 clones in the following panels:
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- Not only that but you have to also recognize the fact that Kimmimaro was blitzing past the KN0 clones like nothing:
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I don't even have a lot to say here but it's evidently clear what happened as Naruto could not land a single hit even with his Kyuubi clones. He stood zero chance but let's go on.
Rock Lee vs Kimmimaro
The first scan says it all but let's look at some interesting facts. Drunken Lee especially.
- Drunken Lee showcased Lee's speed. Matter of fact, Drunken Lee actually increased Lee's speed. Look at this scan closely in comparison to the fight between Base Lee and Kimmimaro. Drunken Lee's upon running put Kimmi on alert.
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This is the full scan so make the judgement for yourself(Reasonable People). If that's not enough to convince you then look at at the fact that Kimmi not only pointed out his Taijutsu but his speed
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"Moreover"
- Not that that's the matter but Lee dominating a top tier 5 star rated Taijutsu opponent. His KKG isn't taken into consideration when ranking his Taijutsu score as KKG isn't taken into account. The point here is he dominated him in both speed and Taijutsu. CQC wasn't an option for him as he was completely overwhelmed..The same person who completely trounced KN0 Naruto without being hit.
- Naruto stood no chance against dance of the willow when Kimmi used it on his thousand of clones and then resorted to Dance of Camelia which he hinted to be more difficult "Particularly"
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..Here's Lee against the attack
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- Rock Lee landed multiple hits on him and Kimmi had no other choice but to use his unorthodox technique to defeat this form of Lee :
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Even so, Lee managed to evade at least once.
- He stood zero chance:
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How Drunken Lee beats VOTE 1 Sasuke?
The first thing I'll note here is the fact that Sasuke's Sharingan is automatically made useless. Why is it useless? Let's look at the Databook(Official):
His tottering steps play a disorderly tempo! His next move he can’t even read himself, so ask the booze, why dun’tcha?! This can’t be the same guy!!
A taijutsu where one pulls off irregular attacks and moves in ways unknown even to themselves, courtesy of being stiff drunk. The enemy is completely outwitted by those movements they can’t read in advance, and they are thrown into confusion. Prone to drunken frenzies, Lee is a natural master of the Drunken Fist.
Lee’s knack for Taijutsu coupled with his unforeseeable movements let him strike at the enemy off-guard, attacking and defending with unexpected motions.
Just what’s with those drunken frenzies even Guy can’t handle?! The usually well-spoken Lee charges with the destructive power of an explosion!!
Lol it's crazy that it says Gai can't handle it but that's obviously due t the fact that Gai won't harm his beloved student. Still a form that's not restricted with ease? Something. Back to the main point, it's been easily shown that this move cannot be read in advance because of it's unforeseeable movements:
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Lee himself doesn't know how he attacks and KN0 Naruto was blitzing the hell out of VOTE 1 Sasuke. Same Naruto that stood zero chance of hitting Kimmimaro but what really helped Sasuke in terms of coming back to the fight against KN0 Naruto? His 3T Sharingan and that was based on the fact that those eyes help him anticipate Naruto's movements. Here, Lee's movements are absolutely unforeseeable because of the nature of this Taijutsu. Hence Sasuke stand no chance here. His Shairngan is of no use against this version of Lee and he has to no choice but to fight in his normal state against Lee. Lee would ultimately destroy him in this art which such speed and Taijutsu...Kimmi resorted to unorthodox style of fighting in order to defeat this form of Lee as I sowed and Lee still managed to evade at least once against that style. Sasuke loses unless he resorts to his CM2.
@Tre Mercer, Funny how you love to talk and belittle others but then drop posts like this? Lmao but I'll address in you, Jugen and whoever in one full post addressing why you guys have little knowledge on Drunken Lee.
Lol it's crazy that it says Gai can't handle it but that's obviously due t the fact that Gai won't harm his beloved student. Still a form that's not restricted with ease? Something. Back to the main point, it's been easily shown that this move cannot be read in advance because of it's unforeseeable movements:
Gai could obviously overwhelm Drunken lee this was stated due to Gai silly nature and it's not to be taken serious at all.
Lee himself doesn't know how he attacks and KN0 Naruto was blitzing the hell out of VOTE 1 Sasuke. Same Naruto that stood zero chance of hitting Kimmimaro but what really helped Sasuke in terms of coming back to the fight against KN0 Naruto? His 3T Sharingan and that was based on the fact that those eyes help him anticipate Naruto's movements. Here, Lee's movements are absolutely unforeseeable because of the nature of this Taijutsu. Hence Sasuke stand no chance here. His Shairngan is of no use against this version of Lee and he has to no choice but to fight in his normal state against Lee. Lee would ultimately destroy him in this art which such speed and Taijutsu...Kimmi resorted to unorthodox style of fighting in order to defeat this form of Lee as I sowed and Lee still managed to evade at least once against that style. Sasuke loses unless he resorts to his CM2.
Once Sasuke used his 3 tomoe it was more than just a pre cog thing since he cannonly blitz Naruto. Sasuke even states that he was basically holding back on Naruto[
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]. Even if Sasuke's is not able to read his moves in the long run he still has great evasive feats against something that can escape his 3 tomoe pre-cog as he shown he could still dodge[
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]. Drunken Lee doesn't last long at all. Sasuke could easily outlast the drunken fist time and clean up Rock lee once he sobers up.
Lee himself doesn't know how he attacks and KN0 Naruto was blitzing the hell out of VOTE 1 Sasuke. Same Naruto that stood zero chance of hitting Kimmimaro but what really helped Sasuke in terms of coming back to the fight against KN0 Naruto? His 3T Sharingan and that was based on the fact that those eyes help him anticipate Naruto's movements.
Naruto did not even land a single hit on 3T Sasuke untill he went 1 tail mode
Here, Lee's movements are absolutely unforeseeable because of the nature of this Taijutsu. Hence Sasuke stand no chance here. His Shairngan is of no use against this version of Lee and he has to no choice but to fight in his normal state against Lee. Lee would ultimately destroy him in this art which such speed and Taijutsu...Kimmi resorted to unorthodox style of fighting in order to defeat this form of Lee as I sowed and Lee still managed to evade at least once against that style. Sasuke loses unless he resorts to his CM2.
killer bee was faster than Sasuke but sasuke fended most of his attack despite not fully healed from injuries sustained against Itachi.Itachi himself fended of killer Bee's unorthodox kenjutsu with just a kunai so i fail to see why sharingan won't help him since he is almost on same lvl as lee in speed here
Not even gonna bother addressing @Gay Mercers post since the fool didn't counter a thing i said and i see that Haizaki cleaned up the trash nicely , which was met with yet another trash response , i see why Haizaki didn't even touch on that fresh shit of a post LOL,
Come on man , this should be obvious as heck based on his performance + statements made by the characters. This feat alone should show u that Drunken Lee's reaction/reflex timing is way beyond normal Lee..
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Hence Drunk Lee easily and i mean easily has faster combat speed than normal alongside simply being unpredictable..Which was again blatantly stated in the Manga itself..
U didn't even counter and the only thing u proved here is that Drunken Lee was not operating at full capacity but yet was able to easily outperform kimi without getting touched , something that was already known , and the Bold....come on man.
-Lee was only able to fend off Kimi? are u also going to ignore the fact that Lee was about to instantly put kimi right back on his ass in this scan with a single move?
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-In the bottom left panel Lee was about to deck Kimi in the stomach casually , so Lee was doing much more than simply fending him off , he was literally embarrassing him which is why he was left with no other choice than to use his KKG..
Once Sasuke used his 3 tomoe it was more than just a pre cog thing since he cannonly blitz Naruto. Sasuke even states that he was basically holding back on Naruto[
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]. Drunken Lee doesn't last long at all. Sasuke could easily outlast the drunken fist time and clean up Rock lee once he sobers up.
This make no sense. That scan doesn't show Sasuke holding back. Lmaoo Manga made it clear so stop with the excuses
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"This is for real" "All his energy is focused on killing me"
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So much for holding back..What are you saying? Sharingan doesn't increase his speed physically? What is this dude really talking about? Lol. It helped him anticipate Naruto faster. He could react faster because of the eyes. Sharingan doesn't increase your speed physically Lmao. Sasuke received no type of physical enhancement. He only had the ability to see faster and act faster because of the his 3T Pre cognition. You obviously don't read the manga well. Sasuke could act faster because he could foresee what Naruto was going to do before he did.
This post is so bad, like I can't believe this lmao. Sasuke did not dodge the chakra arm, he dodged Naruto but got hit like he said
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Bruh, we're definitely not reading the same Manga you're reading.Drunken Fist was only deactivated once Kimmi cut Lee enabling him to bleed which then made him sober up. Asides that, what led to the belief that it doesn't last long? Let's even say it really doesn't last long, he'll be done with Sasuke but I don't know where that ideology that "it doesn't last long" came from. Not to mention Lee has his sake and just a drop is needed to get him into Drunken Fist mode so he can still preserve the Sake
Read my post. Naruto was blitzing VOTE 1 Sasuke. That's not in reference to 3T Sasuke but the point of my post was to prove 3T Precognition became the difference. Take that 3T Precognition and KN0 Naruto would easily toss Sasuke around like he was doing. The main point of that post was to tell you guys that 3T isn't a factor against Drunken Lee because it cannot predict. Now refer to the Kimmi/Kn0 Naruto situation and the Kimmi/Drunken Lee situation and it adds up that Drunken Lee would have no issue in defeating anything asides CM2 since the 3T precognition is rendered useless.
killer bee was faster than Sasuke but sasuke fended most of his attack despite not fully healed from injuries sustained against Itachi.Itachi himself fended of killer Bee's unorthodox kenjutsu with just a kunai so i fail to see why sharingan won't help him since he is almost on same lvl as lee in speed here
Sharingan isn't helping when my posts evidently shows it's not helpful against this style of movements. Unforeseeable and can't be anticipated.
Itachi jumped out of the way after B's spin, he was on the defensive..Sasuke too was on the defensive during B's spin like Itachi was while they used their weapons. The difference is Itachi jumping to Nagato's area before B strikes him while Sasuke remaining on ground level against B after the spin. Had Itachi lasted longer on that spot, what would have happened? because he's not doing anything with a Kunai against such unpredictable movements when Sasuke who was commended by the likes of Mifune failed to do so with his sword. Then there's the fact that we're mostly talking about Taijutsu which is different from Kenjutsu and there's the fact that the Sharingan wasn't what enabled them to dodge which in this case would be bad for Sasuke since Lee has the speed to put him on edge while in Drunken mode, since Lee is fast enough to catch up to him while he tries to evade as Kimmi was clearly struggling whenever Lee ran towards him and since Sasuke drains his stamina compared to Lee upon using Lee's movements to evade a faster Lee compared to his previous state..Both Sasuke and Killer B were skilled Kenjutsu users but the truth is, Drunken Lee far surpasses Sasuke when it comes to hand to hand. Then we have part 1 Kimmiaro who resorted to his bones as a form of a sword when employing dance of camellia against Lee but still got dominated with his weapon and his hands.
@Tre Mercer, Funny how you love to talk and belittle others but then drop posts like this? Lmao but I'll address in you, Jugen and whoever in one full post addressing why you guys have little knowledge on Drunken Lee.
Sasuke's imaginary boost
Sasuke didn't get any magnificent boost until he trained with Kakashi. Suggesting he got a boost is ridiculous and based on absolutely nothing. Nothing else. KN0 Naruto was blitzing the hell out of Sasuke in VOTE and that same KN0 with clones couldn't touch Kimmimaro. Drunken Lee was "too" fast for him.
Naruto and Kimmimaro's Fight vs Rock Lee and Kimmimaro's Fight
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Base 2T Sasuke against Base Lee? Nah Lee got that hype :lol but Kimmi encountered KN0 Naruto before he made that statement.
Naruto vs Kimmimaro
- I saw this due say that the clones against Kimmi weren't enhanced with the Kyuubi Chakra? Wrong. Naruto resorted to this first which got ultimately defeated with Kimmi not being touched. You can see the KN0 clones in the following panels:
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- Not only that but you have to also recognize the fact that Kimmimaro was blitzing past the KN0 clones like nothing:
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I don't even have a lot to say here but it's evidently clear what happened as Naruto could not land a single hit even with his Kyuubi clones. He stood zero chance but let's go on.
Rock Lee vs Kimmimaro
The first scan says it all but let's look at some interesting facts. Drunken Lee especially.
- Drunken Lee showcased Lee's speed. Matter of fact, Drunken Lee actually increased Lee's speed. Look at this scan closely in comparison to the fight between Base Lee and Kimmimaro. Drunken Lee's upon running put Kimmi on alert.
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This is the full scan so make the judgement for yourself(Reasonable People). If that's not enough to convince you then look at at the fact that Kimmi not only pointed out his Taijutsu but his speed
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"Moreover"
- Not that that's the matter but Lee dominating a top tier 5 star rated Taijutsu opponent. His KKG isn't taken into consideration when ranking his Taijutsu score as KKG isn't taken into account. The point here is he dominated him in both speed and Taijutsu. CQC wasn't an option for him as he was completely overwhelmed..The same person who completely trounced KN0 Naruto without being hit.
- Naruto stood no chance against dance of the willow when Kimmi used it on his thousand of clones and then resorted to Dance of Camelia which he hinted to be more difficult "Particularly"
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..Here's Lee against the attack
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- Rock Lee landed multiple hits on him and Kimmi had no other choice but to use his unorthodox technique to defeat this form of Lee :
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Even so, Lee managed to evade at least once.
- He stood zero chance:
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How Drunken Lee beats VOTE 1 Sasuke?
The first thing I'll note here is the fact that Sasuke's Sharingan is automatically made useless. Why is it useless? Let's look at the Databook(Official):
Lol it's crazy that it says Gai can't handle it but that's obviously due t the fact that Gai won't harm his beloved student. Still a form that's not restricted with ease? Something. Back to the main point, it's been easily shown that this move cannot be read in advance because of it's unforeseeable movements:
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Lee himself doesn't know how he attacks and KN0 Naruto was blitzing the hell out of VOTE 1 Sasuke. Same Naruto that stood zero chance of hitting Kimmimaro but what really helped Sasuke in terms of coming back to the fight against KN0 Naruto? His 3T Sharingan and that was based on the fact that those eyes help him anticipate Naruto's movements. Here, Lee's movements are absolutely unforeseeable because of the nature of this Taijutsu. Hence Sasuke stand no chance here. His Shairngan is of no use against this version of Lee and he has to no choice but to fight in his normal state against Lee. Lee would ultimately destroy him in this art which such speed and Taijutsu...Kimmi resorted to unorthodox style of fighting in order to defeat this form of Lee as I sowed and Lee still managed to evade at least once against that style. Sasuke loses unless he resorts to his CM2.
Most taijutsu fights are won due to fighting styles and or pure skill. Rock lee KN0 Naruto and VOTE 1 Sasuke are all on the same speed difference is taijutsu styles 3 tomoe Sasuke only got over on Naruto because he read his movements evani provided pretty good evidence so if Sasuke cannot read his movements he does lose in cqc only though he would not get owned don't get it twisted. i'll give evani this one.
Most taijutsu fights are won due to fighting styles and or pure skill. Rock lee KN0 Naruto and VOTE 1 Sasuke are all on the same speed difference is taijutsu styles 3 tomoe Sasuke only got over on Naruto because he read his movements evani provided pretty good evidence so if Sasuke cannot read his movements he does lose in cqc only though he would not get owned don't get it twisted. i'll give evani this one.
In an instant my respect for u has shot up man , I actually expected u to try some half assed horseshit counter like wat Gay mercer did...
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I told Gay Mercer that its best that he sticks to arguing the size of madara's CT's compared to the moon , but the fool didn't listen and now we have a whole thread of him getting shitted on from left to right only to get the mother of all canon ***** slaps to silence his wookie ass LOLLLLLLLLL
-Seeing u concede will surely let the clown re-think any further crappy arguments and its funny because his own sharp tongue ended up cutting his own throat as is the case with most people who love to talk shit..
