[Discussion] We are Only Observers

Have I lost it?

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Kenotthib

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this is not a conspiracy theory, but more than one thrown together.

how the **** are atoms on our skin in a free state? by that sense, we should never be able to maintain a form, as they would form bonds with practically everything around us. we touch stuff, and the neurons convert the sensations into electrical signals and send them through our nervous system to our brain, which uses information to interpret the situation.

seriously, this is an attempt by some religious fanatic to make people think by using scientific terms and then glorify their religion. don't get me wrong, im not against religion. i actually believe in god, but not in what man has to say about god.

I'm agnostic personally but did you not just say what was exactly in the article minus the religious references? What was the point I understand you aren't religious but be more open mined anything is possible. Also I said our interpretation of religion could be wrong.

The article is basically saying the sensation of touching differs from what most people think it is. (that's how I interpret it)
 
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I agree most with you all the time, only the part with Allah, I don't get it. I mean, have we ever see Allah? Or god? We don't even know if they excist! We don't even know if they really 'made' us. Allah, god or brahma, we don't have any proof.
 

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I stopped reading the moment you mentioned Allah.

I did as well. Hate to say it, but I moved onto the comments at that point. Will try to go back and read in a bit.

Btw:
 

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Even if all of this is true; it doesn't matter. Why would it matter?
 

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this is not a conspiracy theory, but more than one thrown together.

how the **** are atoms on our skin in a free state? by that sense, we should never be able to maintain a form, as they would form bonds with practically everything around us. we touch stuff, and the neurons convert the sensations into electrical signals and send them through our nervous system to our brain, which uses information to interpret the situation.

seriously, this is an attempt by some religious fanatic to make people think by using scientific terms and then glorify their religion. don't get me wrong, im not against religion. i actually believe in god, but not in what man has to say about god.

This means we can move like water.
 

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I did as well. Hate to say it, but I moved onto the comments at that point. Will try to go back and read in a bit.

Btw:

Appreciate it. It gets into what was mainly stated in the top part without the allah references.
 

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Appreciate it. It gets into what was mainly stated in the top part without the allah references.

This is what screwed up the whole theory. Adding religion to a scientific notation?
 

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This is what screwed up the whole theory. Adding religion to a scientific notation?


Science and Religion
"Science looks for the 'HOW' thinks work, while Religion looks to answer 'WHY' things work in that way. They are supplementary sectors of human thinking. In any case, they are both tools used by humans to search for the truth. One cannot argue that one is correct and the other false - they just use different ways in searching for the ultimate truth (if such a thing even exists...). Science uses laboratory measurements (to measure 'hard' evidence) while religion uses life's emotions (to measure 'soft' evidence like love, altruism and their meaning to us and the world). BOTH are part of humankind's quest to understand the Universe.
Similarities Between Science and Religion
The primary way that science and religion are alike is that some who believe in science become every bit as adament about the truth of science as a religious person is about their personal religious beliefs. Many times, if a person has accepted science as truth to that degree, they forget that man is controlling science and mistakes can be made.
Just as mistakes could be make in interpretations of religious holy books, human error and biases can result in wrong conclusions and reports, or even faked conclusions and reports, in science. Still, some of those who have accepted science to the degree described above often accept one view as their gospel, much like a Christian accepts the Bible, and other religions accept their holy doctrines Forgetting that science is to begin with an unbiased hypothesis to be proven or disproven through UNBIASED scientific methods and means, they accept conclusions without checking out the means used to reach those conclusions or alternative reports that may disprove the reports they have chosen to accept.
Both the religious person and the one who believes in science can be so closed-minded that they miss the truth and believe lies. In both, an open mind is the key which unlocks the door to the truth."


I didn't feel like typing, so this is a good description of how I feel about both.
 

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Science and Religion
"Science looks for the 'HOW' thinks work, while Religion looks to answer 'WHY' things work in that way. They are supplementary sectors of human thinking. In any case, they are both tools used by humans to search for the truth. One cannot argue that one is correct and the other false - they just use different ways in searching for the ultimate truth (if such a thing even exists...). Science uses laboratory measurements (to measure 'hard' evidence) while religion uses life's emotions (to measure 'soft' evidence like love, altruism and their meaning to us and the world). BOTH are part of humankind's quest to understand the Universe.
Similarities Between Science and Religion
The primary way that science and religion are alike is that some who believe in science become every bit as adament about the truth of science as a religious person is about their personal religious beliefs. Many times, if a person has accepted science as truth to that degree, they forget that man is controlling science and mistakes can be made.
Just as mistakes could be make in interpretations of religious holy books, human error and biases can result in wrong conclusions and reports, or even faked conclusions and reports, in science. Still, some of those who have accepted science to the degree described above often accept one view as their gospel, much like a Christian accepts the Bible, and other religions accept their holy doctrines Forgetting that science is to begin with an unbiased hypothesis to be proven or disproven through UNBIASED scientific methods and means, they accept conclusions without checking out the means used to reach those conclusions or alternative reports that may disprove the reports they have chosen to accept.
Both the religious person and the one who believes in science can be so closed-minded that they miss the truth and believe lies. In both, an open mind is the key which unlocks the door to the truth."


I didn't feel like typing, so this is a good description of how I feel about both.

At least with science when a point is proven wrong, and refuted it's discredited and the community move forward. With religion it's right no matter what, you're just looking at it wrong. No matter if you prove without a shadow of a doubt it's false it's to be believed simply on faith.

Also, with science they always check, of course mistakes happen sometimes experiments are wrong and data is corrupted for whatever reason but when it's proven wrong they don't defend it to no avail.

Reminds me of something I saw on reddit a while back [ ]
 
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Science and Religion
"Science looks for the 'HOW' thinks work, while Religion looks to answer 'WHY' things work in that way. They are supplementary sectors of human thinking. In any case, they are both tools used by humans to search for the truth. One cannot argue that one is correct and the other false - they just use different ways in searching for the ultimate truth (if such a thing even exists...). Science uses laboratory measurements (to measure 'hard' evidence) while religion uses life's emotions (to measure 'soft' evidence like love, altruism and their meaning to us and the world). BOTH are part of humankind's quest to understand the Universe.
Similarities Between Science and Religion
The primary way that science and religion are alike is that some who believe in science become every bit as adament about the truth of science as a religious person is about their personal religious beliefs. Many times, if a person has accepted science as truth to that degree, they forget that man is controlling science and mistakes can be made.
Just as mistakes could be make in interpretations of religious holy books, human error and biases can result in wrong conclusions and reports, or even faked conclusions and reports, in science. Still, some of those who have accepted science to the degree described above often accept one view as their gospel, much like a Christian accepts the Bible, and other religions accept their holy doctrines Forgetting that science is to begin with an unbiased hypothesis to be proven or disproven through UNBIASED scientific methods and means, they accept conclusions without checking out the means used to reach those conclusions or alternative reports that may disprove the reports they have chosen to accept.
Both the religious person and the one who believes in science can be so closed-minded that they miss the truth and believe lies. In both, an open mind is the key which unlocks the door to the truth."


I didn't feel like typing, so this is a good description of how I feel about both.

The ''why'' part is still biased as it comes from people's interpretation of usually unexplainable phenomena. Mixing core spirituality and science will help you get to the ''why''.
 

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Once again, science shouldn't even be in the same sentence as religion.

Religion is sickly, the only incorrect thing religion has again anyone is a book that was written by a drug user that was seeing things.
 

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Once again, science shouldn't even be in the same sentence as religion.

Religion is sickly, the only incorrect thing religion has again anyone is a book that was written by a drug user that was seeing things.

Actually, religious scripts are full of knowledge. Astrotheology, spiritual teachings, symbolism and such. Those can be of help when solving universal mysteries. Instead of doing so, people would rather take the easy route with religion.
 

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We experience things all the time, this thread you are reading is an experience and even talking about your experience is an experience. However the ultimate reality that we know from any experience is the experiencer itself, in other words ourselves. When we realise that there is a first-person, an “I”, “me” or “mine” we come to face a profound mystery, the Philosopher Roy Abraham Varghese puts it nicely, he writes, “To reverse Descartes, ‘I am, therefore I think…’ Who is this ‘I’? ‘Where’ is it? How did it come to be? Your self is not just something physical.”

The self is not a physical thing; it is not contained in any cell or biological structure. The most unchallenged and intuitive reality is that we are all aware, but we cannot describe or explain what this awareness is. One thing that we can be sure of is that the self cannot be explained biologically or chemically, the main reason for this is that science doesn’t discover the self; it’s actually the other way round. For science to try and explain the truth of the self would be tantamount to arguing in a circle! Even scientists recognise this, the physicist Gerald Schroeder points out that there is no real difference between a heap of sand and the brain of an Einstein. The advocates of a physical explanation for the self end up in a muddle as they require answers to even bigger questions such as ‘how can certain bits of matter suddenly create a new reality that has no resemblance to matter?’

So if the self cannot be explained physically then the next question must be asked, ‘how did it come to be?’ The history of the universe indicates that consciousness just spontaneously arose and language emerged without any evolutionary forerunner. So where did it come from? Even the neo-atheists have failed to come to terms with the nature of the self and its source, because no physical explanation is coherent enough to convince. The best-seller and popular atheist Richard Dawkins almost admits defeat concerning the self and consciousness, he states “We don’t know. We don’t understand it.”

The best explanation for the nature and source of the self is that it came from a source that is thinking, aware and conscious. How else can the self, which is an entity with a capacity to reflect and experience, manifest itself? It cannot have come from unconscious matter incapable to experience and ponder. Simply put matter cannot produce concepts and perceptions, therefore we can conclude that the self cannot have a material basis but must have come from a living source that transcends the material world; and this is best explained by God. No other answer provides an adequate explanation for this phenomenon.
 

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do you guys even know what the ancient people wanted religion to be? an instituition that would make sure that all the people would recieve knowledge and follow rules [which were good, from their point of view] and human beings have this tendency to deviate from the way we should go if there is no one to oversee us. we do have our own conscience [i believe that our conscience is our god] but how many people actually listen to it? thats why the fear of god was propogated, to make the people believe in god. there is practically nothing wrong in the idea of god or religion. the place where the problems arise is the part where we have to actually act by the religion. the religion prevalent in india, hinduism has a holy book called the rig veda. it combines common sense with logic, science and spirituality masterfully. it actually has verses which imply that the world is round. the bible, too had many scientific traces and very good spiritual things. the holy book of the muslims, quran too has done the same thing, albeit in a different approach due to the time and circumstances it was formulated. but when people began to find loopholes with these ideals, religion became a shitfest.

that is the reason why i find the idea of god a good one, but the idea of religion shitty.
 
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