[Discussion] We are Only Observers

Have I lost it?

  • Possibly

    Votes: 5 45.5%
  • Perhaps Not

    Votes: 7 63.6%

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Kenotthib

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"Although some people may realize that images consist of electric signals in the brain, they may also form the impression that the other senses, touch for instance, are different. They may think that when they touch or smell something they are making direct contact with real matter. Again, however, they are actually perceiving nothing more than electric signals in the brain.

When we touch something with our hands, we are not really touching that object at all. A chemical bond is formed between atoms in a constant state of motion. But these atoms never actually “touch” one another. In physical terms, therefore, we have never touched anything we think we have. As a result of this illusory sense of touch, the atoms in our hands vibrate and initiate an electrical current. That current then moves towards the touch center in our brains. It is then “interpreted” when it arrives. And this is a great miracle. In the same way that the visual center interprets an incoming current as a yellow rose, the touch center interprets the signals reaching it as soft, hot or rough. Similar signals head from our mouths to the taste region in the brain and form a sensation of flavor, sweetness or sourness. The signals from the nose reaching the scent detection center in the brain and set up a perception in the brain regarding the aroma of the object in question. Sound from the ears reaches the brain in the form of other electric signals, and we then in some way are convinced that the person calling our names is our mother. We enjoy the tunes set up by electrical signals forwarded to the brain from the ear, and have no doubt that the ringtone is actually coming from the phone.

All this is an extraordinary miracle created by Allah.

But the sound we hear does not actually belong to the phone, and neither does the sound of music come from our stereos. We experience the sound of a telephone, the original of which we can never see, the original of which we can never hear unless Allah so wills. What we see is not the yellow flower on the outside. That flower, its image, its perfume and all its beauty, consists of electric signals reaching our brains. And we have no evidence whether the image of this flower is the same as the real flower on the outside. Peter Russell explains this as follows:

If all that we ever know are the sensory images that appear in our minds, how can we be sure there is a physical reality behind our perceptions? Is it not just an assumption? My answer is: Yes, it is an assumption; nevertheless, it seems a most plausible one.

There is no doubt that it is impossible for us to know whether the images, sounds, smells and tastes that form in our brains actually exist on the outside. On the basis of this, we can be sure of only one thing; there is a world created especially for us in our brains. And we can never know whether other people see this world in the same way we do. We can only see the images, hear the sounds and taste the flavors of a world created especially for us. We can have no direct experience of anything else.
" - Website (do your own research if you feel this is false).

My fellow NB members is why do you think we should get so caught up in our environment? Do you think the reason there's so much emphasis on money and other material possessions because someone or something(s)(Could possibly be aliens) are trying to limit our minds and keep us trapped in the illusion of reality? All these conspiracies out there could it be possible that there linked to foreign entities that our minds can't see our interact with?

I've been thinking I've seen and heard about a lot of conspiracy theories. (just to throw one out there) The illuminati (what we call them) to think that humans can be so evil and make a system so strategic and complicated makes me think that there not humans at all. What if religion is real but our interpretation of it was off? Maybe the idea of the illuminati only scratched the surface of a much bigger problem. I'm agnostic and I'm constantly trying to find connections with different religions and to stay open minded I ask you to do the same.


Edit: Please disregard the allah references(It is not my view on the matter)
 
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Wumbo

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I stopped reading the moment you mentioned Allah.
 

NoNoah1

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We have a rime in dutch.
Use Google translate if you want.
"Allah is groot,Allah is machtig maar hij heeft een pik van 1 meter 80"
 

sagemode07

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I didn't read the whole post, but I think observing touch and feeling are pretty similar. I'll take it.
 

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I can agree with most of the stuff you say here especially this line "And we can never know whether other people see this world in the same way we do." I have always pondered if others see the world the same I do.For example, although there might objectively be a picture of someone, two people can see two different things. Colors are seen differently as well. xd
 

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I skimmed it. It's just thinking too much about a concept that's irrelevant..
 

YowYan

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This is pretty much a simpleton's attempt to try to grasp the basis of our reality (or something) replacing the most important parts with 'allah ackbar'. It holds no content whatsoever as Ashflura stated.
And I'm talking about the upper part, not the OP's typing.
 

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????? whaat was the point of this thread ._.
 

Michio Kaku

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What is the meaning of all this? Another example of how life confuses me.
 

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So; potentials us are limited because we are too dependant in the sense of reality that we made to be obligated to acknowledge and accept?
 

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Quite the interesting read, though at times it got too far into philosophy for my liking.

And, for question on why we put so much thought into gaining money and wealth; It all has to do with the basics of evolution. Not some alien conspircacy going on. All animals, including humans, find certain things attractive in a mate and will often try to pick these qualities up to improve their chances of reproducing and full filling life's purpose.

Creating new and more life.

That's the reason why people pay so much attention to money; other then obvious food/requirement reasons. The more money you have, it seems the better chance of having *** you have. It's something that can attract the opposite ***. People will often try to do and get things for eye appeal and such for similar reasons.

And, we pay so much attention to our environments because, even on small levels, they are always changing. And again, as animals, we must react the changes appropriately and ready ourselves to change along with them.
 

Kenotthib

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Quite the interesting read, though at times it got too far into philosophy for my liking.

And, for question on why we put so much thought into gaining money and wealth; It all has to do with the basics of evolution. Not some alien conspircacy going on. All animals, including humans, find certain things attractive in a mate and will often try to pick these qualities up to improve their chances of reproducing and full filling life's purpose.

Creating new and more life.

That's the reason why people pay so much attention to money; other then obvious food/requirement reasons. The more money you have, it seems the better chance of having *** you have. It's something that can attract the opposite ***. People will often try to do and get things for eye appeal and such for similar reasons.

And, we pay so much attention to our environments because, even on small levels, they are always changing. And again, as animals, we must react the changes appropriately and ready ourselves to change along with them.

What I mean is drawing a line between necessity and over indulgence. Not all humans care about appealing to others. When I say caught up in our environment I mean or constant obsession with money gold gems and other meaningless items. (money meaningless?) of course it is, it loses all meaning when people decide its not of value anymore. I never said don't pay attention to your environment just don't pay attention to the meaningless aspects. Plus not all animals are attracted to other animals. There is plenty of asexuality in humans and other species.

Money isn't necessary for food you can get food from a variety of places without having to use money, the whole monetary system is just a means of control that the most powerful elite in this world uses to keep themselves in power (my beliefs). (Doesn't it provide a incentive for people to work?) I don't believe so when it comes to innovation (in most cases) it is thought that drives it.With out money no one would be in control, and we would be only dependent on natural resources. Lastly, I'm starting to think that our environment isn't changing us, I think we're changing it (in most cases).
 

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this is not a conspiracy theory, but more than one thrown together.

how the **** are atoms on our skin in a free state? by that sense, we should never be able to maintain a form, as they would form bonds with practically everything around us. we touch stuff, and the neurons convert the sensations into electrical signals and send them through our nervous system to our brain, which uses information to interpret the situation.

seriously, this is an attempt by some religious fanatic to make people think by using scientific terms and then glorify their religion. don't get me wrong, im not against religion. i actually believe in god, but not in what man has to say about god.
 

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Double posting because the results of this poll are stupid as ****. the percentages each option has been voted for is 112%. wtf?
 
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