Was Sage Mode Naruto enough for Mangekyou Sharingan Sasuke?

[Detonator99]

Because using it on Kabuto won't stop the incoming attacks from all directions.

And the person who spouts shit like NE blocking amaterasu, and rasengan being stronger than a juubi dama is the last person to talk about logic tbh.

And the idiot still doesn't understand that NE its literally like invisible armor and still crys about a statement i literally proved with facts its also the last person i wish to talk about logic of fictional verse.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I'd like to start by saying I think Naruto wins this. What's the point of saying the rasengan made the Susano'o creak? It didn't break, and Madara took zero damage so it doesn't matter if it was damaged if the attack could not break through. isn't it better to argue for the FTR which is much more powerful?

It means madara's susanoo is taking damage from a weaker rasengan, so much so that he had to go to v2. Sage mode bolsters the damage far beyond that and EMS madara's susanoo is far stronger than Ms sasuke.
Sasuke susanno got blasted through by Ay's Karate chop but u think Sm naruto isnt getting through Ribage? Odama barrage most likely bust through anything below v4.

 

[Detonator99]

Which only extends the range of his attacks, it doesn't gave him an invisible wall around him like you make it seem.

And even if go by that fanfic, you'll have to prove it's relevant enough to block amaterasu, when amaterasu is cabable of covering Hachibi in flames in the blink of an eye.

Its extends just like friken chakra cloack witch is enough to block the attack its that too hard for you to understand?Jesus.

 

[DiamondxDust]

It means madara's susanoo is taking damage from a weaker rasengan, so much so that he had to go to v2. Sage mode bolsters the damage far beyond that and EMS madara's susanoo is far stronger than Ms sasuke.
Sasuke susanno got blasted through by Ay's Karate chop but u think Sm naruto isnt getting through Ribage? Odama barrage most likely bust through anything below v4.

It might be able to shatter Sasuke's Susano'o, but just barely. All I'm saying is you might as well argue assuming it wouldn't get through, since FTR will definitely get through he would prioritize using that I think. Especially since it's fast, can be thrown, and if it hits will finish the fight.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

And the idiot still doesn't understand that NE its literally like invisible armor and still crys about a statement i literally proved with facts its also the last person i wish to talk about logic of fictional verse.

The scan you posted specifically states:
"The energy becomes part of the body, both the range and the power of the attack rise"

Nothing about an NE coat that extends around the body and is strong enough to defend against something such as amaterasu.

I think you have this confused with Ay's lightning armour, which actually surrounds the body and protects it, something that amaterasu already burned through.

Its extends just like friken chakra cloack witch is enough to block the attack its that too hard for you to understand?Jesus.

No, a technique that literally has no diffensive feats is not enough to block amaterasu, when Ay's armour whIch has feats, couldn't.

I'm actually trying my best to see if you have an argument that actually has weight behind it, the only one crying here is you tbh.

 

[Detonator99]

It might be able to shatter Sasuke's Susano'o, but just barely. All I'm saying is you might as well argue assuming it wouldn't get through, since FTR will definitely get through he would prioritize using that I think. Especially since it's fast, can be thrown, and if it hits will finish the fight.

You are forgetting that naruto rasengan did this to obitos body

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Who in state where he couldn't erase ninjutsu yet did this to sasuke's ribcage susanoo with brute streng.

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He can destroy that susanoo with mid-diff.

 

[Detonator99]

The scan you posted specifically states:
"The energy becomes part of the body, both the range and the power of the attack rise"

Nothing about an NE coat that extends around the body and is strong enough to defend against something such as amaterasu.

I think you have this confused with Ay's lightning armour, which actually surrounds the body and protects it, something that amaterasu already burned through.




No, a technique that literally has no diffensive feats is not enough to block amaterasu, when Ay's armour whIch has feats, couldn't.

I'm actually trying my best to see if you have an argument that actually has weight behind it, the only one crying here is you tbh.

Lock i really not gonna bother explaining why he will be able to block it because it seems that you are confusing that the reason why he can't defend agains't the attack its because of durability when in fact its not, killerbee was in pain when he was hit with amaterasu despite the fact that his body is more durable then v1 kyubi cloack what matters its that what amaterasu went in contact with is energy and the other is not. And that what NE is an invisible Phisical energy.

Even if you keep denying that doesn't matter naruto can still dodge it using frog kumite his feat of dodging the raikage support this and no you have zero statements proving that ay is faster by tha way.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It might be able to shatter Sasuke's Susano'o, but just barely. All I'm saying is you might as well argue assuming it wouldn't get through, since FTR will definitely get through he would prioritize using that I think. Especially since it's fast, can be thrown, and if it hits will finish the fight.

i don't see frs getting through v3 unless its the same spot danzo did it from. where the individual SM odama rasengan may be weaker than FRS the barrage is stronger.

I still see sasuke winning thos since naruto cant dodge ama

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Lock i really not gonna bother explaining why he will be able to block it because it seems that you are confusing that the reason why he can't defend agains't the attack its because of durability when in fact its not, killerbee was in pain when he was hit with amaterasu despite the fact that his body is more durable then v1 kyubi cloack what matters its that what amaterasu went in contact with is energy and the other is not. And that what NE is an invisible Phisical energy.

Even if you keep denying that doesn't matter naruto can still dodge it using frog kumite his feat of dodging the raikage support this and no you have zero statements proving that ay is faster by tha way.

Durability is important because even if we give Naruto the imaginary ability, the flames would burn through it and reach Naruto just like it did to Ay's lightning armour, I'm giving this fanfic way too much attention and you should be ashamed of actually wasting my time with it.

How is dodging Raikage make his movement speed comparable to any of them? That's a reaction speed feat not a movement speed feat.

Ay dodged Amaterasu by leaving Sasuke's line of sight, Sasuke can't track Ay's speed in V2, who's faster by feats but ignoring that, Naruto still doesn't have the movment speed that puts him on the same league as V2 Ay's shunshin, don't confuse movment with reaction speed since both are very different.

And thus Naruto can't dodge it unless he can move faster than Sasuke's MS can track, which he can't unless you have feats of SM Naruto being cabable of doing so.

 

[Styles]

The fact that it showing anything when susanno normally doesn't is proof enough. If it wasn't taking damage there'd be no need for the sfx in the first place. Nor would their be a need to step up the version of susanoo.

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Literally showed a manga scan and nothing was wrong with his ribcage. You can step on hardwood and hear a creak and it'll still be perfectly fine. Making a noise don't mean it broke at all.

Not trolling, I just figured it was relevant. That being said, the comparison in the panel is before Sasuke unlocked Susano'o, so it only proves he was weaker than Naruto before then. Nonetheless, Zetsu was very impressed by Naruto's strength. In my opinion MS Sasuke is about equal to SM Naruto. I'll elaborate in another post.

At best I'd say at that time he could have been stronger or on par due to FRS but Amaterasu >> FRS. But Sasuke was weakened then so can't say for sure but kage summit Sasuke and above >> SM Naruto.

 

[DiamondxDust]

i don't see frs getting through v3 unless its the same spot danzo did it from. where the individual SM odama rasengan may be weaker than FRS the barrage is stronger.

I still see sasuke winning thos since naruto cant dodge ama

Really? I don't think we've ever seen anyone tank an FRS except 3rd Raikage and Madara tanked a variation. It's rotation and cutting power is immense. If Danzo was able to cut through it with his Wind style jutsu assisted by his summoning, there is no way Sasuke's Susano'o would just outright tank FTR.

 

[DiamondxDust]

You are forgetting that naruto rasengan did this to obitos body

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Who in state where he couldn't erase ninjutsu yet did this to sasuke's ribcage susanoo with brute streng.

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He can destroy that susanoo with mid-diff.

Except he was able to damage Obito because it was senjutsu. Jyuubi Obito is weak to senjutsu as stated in that panel. If that same rasengan that hurt Obito clashed with a susano'o it wouldn't get through because susano'o don't have a weakness to senjutsu.

 

[DiamondxDust]

Literally showed a manga scan and nothing was wrong with his ribcage. You can step on hardwood and hear a creak and it'll still be perfectly fine. Making a noise don't mean it broke at all.



At best I'd say at that time he could have been stronger or on par due to FRS but Amaterasu >> FRS. But Sasuke was weakened then so can't say for sure but kage summit Sasuke and above >> SM Naruto.

Do you mean Amaterasu in general is a better ability than FRS or that Amaterasu can be used to counter FRS?

 

[LoZelda101]

Shit you should already know.

Disturbing that sagemode naruto gets wanked as much as hebi sasuke on this forum. Kumite flattens hebi to snake bits and MS ignites sagemode into frog soup. Look at the degree and extent kabuto had to go through in enhancing his sagemode to make it viable just to contend with mangekyou, seriously doesn't take a genius. Lmao @chou rasengan cracking susanoo. V3 ms sasuke>> rib cage ems madara durability.

 

[Detonator99]

Durability is important because even if we give Naruto the imaginary ability, the flames would burn through it and reach Naruto just like it did to Ay's lightning armour, I'm giving this fanfic way too much attention and you should be ashamed of actually wasting my time with it.

It wasn't shown burning trhough him thou ay just ay just couldn't throw it away like naruto did so he desposed of his arm and thus burning away.

How is dodging Raikage make his movement speed comparable to any of them? That's a reaction speed feat not a movement speed feat.

Ay dodged Amaterasu by leaving Sasuke's line of sight, Sasuke can't track Ay's speed in V2, who's faster by feats but ignoring that, Naruto still doesn't have the movment speed that puts him on the same league as V2 Ay's shunshin, don't confuse movment with reaction speed since both are very different.

And thus Naruto can't dodge it unless he can move faster than Sasuke's MS can track, which he can't unless you have feats of SM Naruto being cabable of doing so.

lol when sasuke shot amaterasu ay was still there, saying that he dodged by moving out of his line of sight is absolutely BS.The moment he launched the attack he reacted to it and got out of the way, naruto can do the same by reacting at the last the end.

 

[Exaar]

Depends on the sasuke.

If it's cannon SM Naruto and Ms sasuke, Then Sasuke is blind while naruto has war arc feats. So yeah.

 

[Detonator99]

Absolutely it couldn't, there's no manga proof he could do this outside of his mind without kurama's chakra. And certainly not in real life that's for sure.

They were fightning as chakra not just as astral beings, the moment naruto went sage mode in his mind the real one also transformed so yeah what his mind can also happen in the real world.

 

[Greatness23]

SM Naruto is confirmed to be stronger than MS Sasuke with Amaterasu.

However MS Sasuke with Amaterasu, Kagutsuchi and V3 Susanoo is enough to soundly beat any version of SM Naruto. In combat Naruto w/ Sage Mode will at best pressure and defeat Sasuke with just V2 Susanoo. Once he starts firing arrows w/ V3 it's good game.

So overall, MS Sasuke>SM Naruto.

When did they confirm that boss? Asking for a friend

 

[Nick01]

An Exp. SM Naruto>>>Exp. MS Sasuke. No question.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

lol when sasuke shot amaterasu ay was still there, saying that he dodged by moving out of his line of sight is absolutely BS.The moment he launched the attack he reacted to it and got out of the way, naruto can do the same by reacting at the last the end.

No, Amaterasu isn't a projectile, it spawns on the target:

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Notice how only the ice near Sasuke's hand melted, if Sasuke shots amaterasu like a projectile, the ice would start melting from his eyes

what Sasuke was focusing on was Ay's after image which is non-existent so it spawned on the Samurai who was on Sasuke's line of sight.

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Ay was already preparing his shunshin before Sasuke used Amaterasu, and used on the right moment to leave Sasuke's line of sight.

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Naruto moving his body slightly won't stop the flames from spawning on him, as Sasuke is still cabable of seeing him thus he gets hit by it, and let's not forget the fact that Sasuke can make amaterasu almost the size of a bijuu so Naruto is not dodging something that big.