Was Sage Mode Naruto enough for Mangekyou Sharingan Sasuke?

[The Necromancer]

Amaterasu can be dodged by frog kumite, thats how kabuto was able to react to it as stated in the databook, not just that but naruto can also guard agains't just like he did it on his kyubi mode since since frog kumite wraps his body by natural energy.

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And as stated before naruto can destroy his susanoo with his senjutsu's oodama rasengans since it is not as durable as this fanboy made it to be.

Kabuto didn't dodge Amaterasu, he dodged Susano'o Arrows. Amaterasu spawns faster than a Susano'o arrow's flight. Amaterasu was only ever used defensively in that fight.

Sasuke also has Enton, which he can used to simply pierce Naruto's heart in the instant Amtaterasu lands on him, or even at a small distance, assuming Naruto has the skill to remove it before Enton can be activated (which I doubt, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt just to prove my point).

So now Naruto loses unless he can push Amaterasu off of his body entirely before Sasuke can simply activate Enton. And even if he succeeds once, he will have to do it every time Amaterasu is brought out, meaning even one fraction of a slip up will kill him, and also meaning that he will be on the defensive the entire battle, giving Sasuke free reign to employ other strategies.

 

[Detonator99]

Kabuto didn't dodge Amaterasu, he dodged Susano'o Arrows. Amaterasu spawns faster than a Susano'o arrow's flight. Amaterasu was only ever used defensively in that fight.

Sasuke also has Enton, which he can used to simply pierce Naruto's heart in the instant Amtaterasu lands on him, or even at a small distance, assuming Naruto has the skill to remove it before Enton can be activated (which I doubt, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt).

So now Naruto loses unless he can push Amaterasu off of his body entirely before Sasuke can simply activate Enton. And even if he succeeds once, he will have to do it every time Amaterasu is brought out, meaning even one fraction of a slip up will kill him, and also meaning that he will be on the defensive the entire battle, giving Sasuke free reign to employ other strategies.

read my coment again.

 

[The Necromancer]

read my coment again.

Yup. Still as wrong as the last time I read it.

 

[Detonator99]

Yup. Still as wrong as the last time I read it.

It explicity states that that kabuto react to amaterasu using frog kumite, you are the only one who doesn't remember him doing it so who is wrong here?

 

[The Necromancer]

It explicity states that that kabuto react to amaterasu using frog kumite, you are the only one who doesn't remember him doing it so who is wrong here?

And then I told you that he didn't... because he didn't.

 

[DiamondxDust]

After fighting Danzo, I would say SM Naruto was very close in strength to MS Sasuke. In the final stages it would boil down to SM Taijutsu and FTR vs V3 Susano'o with arrows, and Amaterasu. So let's break it down.

Naruto's Sage mode boosts his reflexes, strength, and speed dramatically and also gives him an increased sense of his surroundings. He has also been shown to dodge the 3rd Raikage's thrust in SM. Taking this into consideration, while Naruto is in SM, I believe Naruto would be able to dodge the arrows (I'm aware they are fast as hell) using his increased reflexes, speed, and awareness. I don't see him getting hit with Amaterasu either while in SM due to speed/reflexes again.

Based on SM strength feats (tossing summonings, sending pains flying, etc.) I think Naruto's taijutsu is strong enough to break through the V3 Susano'o easily. Tsunade was able to shatter Madara's Susano'o which realistically should be more durable than Sasuke's at this point, and I believe SM Naruto's strength either meets or exceeds Tsunade's. I also Guarantee the FTR would slice right through Sasuke's Susano'o at the time. Madara was able to block a Sage mode enhanced Rasengan, which is much weaker than FTR so that means very little.

Whether or not Sasuke's Genjutsu will play a part here is debatable since the Kyuubi may not help him at this point, but SM/Nature energy could make someone resistant to Genjutsu due to the chakra that is being taken in from the outside acting as a stimulus to wake oneself up, but that is speculation. Sasuke's arrows are the biggest player here, he used them almost exclusively in his battle with Danzo proving their effectiveness. Naruto's best bet would be to give Sasuke multiple targets by creating clones. It would be a battle of endurance, since Susano'o and SM are both hard to maintain for long. I'm not going to go into the Kyuubi, but if Naruto runs out of SM and his life is in Danger, It's likely the Kyuubi will come out and at that point Sasuke is doomed.

I realize I went into more detail on Naruto than Sasuke, but this is because Naruto's abilities counter Sasuke's fairly well. I think naruto comes out on top before Sasuke gets EMS.

 

[milkydean]

Then you admit that Naruto needs a further 3 or so arcs to compete with MS Sasuke?

Well,Sasuke himself needs a further 2 arcs after his 1st MS showing to compete against Naruto.

 

[Detonator99]

And then I told you that he didn't... because he didn't.

Fine

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[The Necromancer]

Fine

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And that was for defense against Kabuto's Muki Tensei you dumbass. Sasuke was throwing up a wall, not attacking Kabuto.

Kabuto didn't dodge Amaterasu, he dodged Susano'o Arrows. Amaterasu spawns faster than a Susano'o arrow's flight. Amaterasu was only ever used defensively in that fight.

Why do I always have to back-peddle and repeat myself for you moron Naruto fans?

 

[DiamondxDust]

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Zetsu also thought that he and his clones could take on Naruto, Kakashi, and Sakura all by himself, so I wouldn't say Zetsu is a good judge of strength.

All that really says is that he overestimates his own abilities, not that he can't tell how strong other people are. Tobi also corrected him right away, and clarified Zetsu was too weak to fight them letting us readers know we shouldn't draw any conclusions from it. When Zetsu said Naruto was stronger than Sasuke currently, there was no such correction or statement made to contradict it. This is an indicator to the readers that the information is true.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Amaterasu can be dodged by frog kumite, thats how kabuto was able to react to it as stated in the databook, not just that but naruto can also guard agains't just like he did it on his kyubi mode since since frog kumite wraps his body by natural energy.

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Frog Kata (蛙組手, Kawazu Kumite)

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Classification: Senjutsu/Taijutsu
Rank: C-Rank
Class: Offensive
Range: Short-Range
User(s): Fukasaku, Jiraiya, Uzumaki Naruto

When someone learns Senjutsu they gain command of a terrifying Taijutsu. Basically in Sage Mode by collecting natural energy they gain danger sensing powers (what Naruto uses to evade the Third Raikage's attack, Kabuto to sense Amaterasu, etc..). They can sense the enemies movement, match enemies rhythm/speed, to release a severe counter. Energy is released from one part of the body, the attacks reach is extended (i think, little bit confusing here). There is no chink (or weak spot) in offense and defense, it's a flawless Taijutsu.

→ Ninjutsu didn't work on Pain so Naruto used Frog Kata.

↓ The attacks range extends substantially. Pain is sent flying away.

And as stated before naruto can destroy his susanoo with his senjutsu's oodama rasengans since it is not as durable as this fanboys made out to be.

So SM Naruto can make NE barriers now? :lol

I'm trying to ignore you since I know from experience that you're full of shit, but this fanfic is sig worthy.

 

[Detonator99]

And that was for defense against Kabuto's Muki Tensei you dumbass. Sasuke was throwing up a wall, not attacking Kabuto.



Why do I always have to back-peddle and repeat myself for you moron Naruto fans?

Pay close attention to the last panel idiot, sasuke attacked him them formed a barrier for himself and itachi.

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[Megax Rocker7]

Pay close attention to the last panel idiot, sasuke attacked him them formed a barrier for himself and itachi.

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Sasuke used Amaterasu on the floor in front of Kabuto, he didn't focus his eye on him like he did to Ay.

You're are being desperate here tbh.

 

[Detonator99]

So SM Naruto can make NE barriers now? :lol

I'm trying to ignore you since I know from experience that you're full of shit, but this fanfic is sig worthy.

Where did i said that he can make barriers? :lol

Lol i said he the natural energy around his body protects him just like the kyubi cloack, try again.

 

[Detonator99]

Sasuke used Amaterasu on the floor in front of Kabuto, he didn't focus his eye on Kabuto like he did to Ay.

You're are being desperate here tbh.

yes i mean why use agains't the floor when the enemy its right infront of you:lol, megax rocker logic.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Where did i said that he can make barriers? :lol

Lol i said he the natural energy around his body protects him just like the kyubi cloack, try again.

Which is by deffinition a barrier like the kurama cloak, except that nothing in the entire series, yet alone the manga, even hints at it having properties that compare it to a bijuu cloak.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

yes i mean why use agains't the floor when the enemy its right infront of you:lol, megax rocker logic.

Because using it on Kabuto won't stop the incoming attacks from all directions.

And the person who spouts shit like NE blocking amaterasu, and rasengan being stronger than a juubi dama is the last person to talk about logic tbh.

 

[DiamondxDust]

The fact that it showing anything when susanno normally doesn't is proof enough. If it wasn't taking damage there'd be no need for the sfx in the first place. Nor would their be a need to step up the version of susanoo.

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I'd like to start by saying I think Naruto wins this. What's the point of saying the rasengan made the Susano'o creak? It didn't break, and Madara took zero damage so it doesn't matter if it was damaged if the attack could not break through. isn't it better to argue for the FTR which is much more powerful?

 

[Detonator99]

Which is by deffinition a barrier like the kurama cloak, except that nothing in the entire series, yet alone the manga, even hints at it having properties that compare it to a bijuu cloak.

We know that its like a kyubi cloak because its literally phisicall instead of being just pure intangibility air.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

We know that its like a kyubi cloak because its literally phisicall instead of being just pure intangibility air.

Which only extends the range of his attacks, it doesn't gave him an invisible wall around him like you make it seem.

And even if go by that fanfic, you'll have to prove it's relevant enough to block amaterasu, when amaterasu is cabable of covering Hachibi in flames in the blink of an eye.