:lol What? Danzo fight Sasuke easily demolishes Pain Arc SM Naruto and beats War Naruto. Shouldn't be debatable but of course this is NB.
*Pain Arc SM Naruto has only 2 FRS before he reverts to Base. He can't merge w/ Ma and Pa and he's not friendly with Kurama so if Genjutsu lands it's GG.*
Pain Naruto's arsenal consists of regular sized FRS, Chou Oodama Rasengan, Oodama Rasengan and Single/Double Rasengan. Everything except FRS becomes irrelevant once Skeletal Susanoo comes out as they do not have the power to do serious damage to this version. Naruto's physical strikes are also far inferior to his Rasengan which cannot damage anything above V1. (obviously :lol) so I don't think we need to go in depth on why SM Naruto isn't going to break open any version of Susanoo with his bare hands. If anyone disagrees with any of this show me where:
-Any Rasengan became as strong as Kirin.
-Naruto's physical strikes became as strong as Kirin.
Naruto cannot dodge Amaterasu despite nonsense arguments of him being able to do it being posted itt. Ay needed v2. Ay in V1 already has better reflexes by far and has faster movement speed by far let alone V2. His best bet is to feint it with clones.
That Rasengan barrage isn't breaking any Susanoo above v2. It did nothing to Kurama while FRS did some good damage. FRS>>That barrage. FRS's feats are vastly inferior to Kirin (unless someone wants to show me where FRS obliterated a Mountain), which is what it takes to destroy a Susanoo of this level as shown by Itachi. FRS is at best a good bit weaker than Kirin. V3 Susanoo is enough to protect Sasuke from it, but it'd take some damage so the best thing to do is to simply negate it with Amaterasu or Enton.
That renders all of Naruto's offensive attacks 100% useless. He only has 2 FRS, and Pain dodged it. Sasuke is faster than Pain and can negate it with Enton. His 2 FRS are used up and he gets one shotted once he revers to Base. This is just assuming that Sasuke plays defensive the entire fight. War Naruto has 3 FRS, but the fundamentals remain the same until he fuses with Ma and Pa.
Naruto hasn't shown the speed to dodge Susanoo Arrows in close range, and even if he does. An arrow assault right into Amaterasu is a finishing combo. Naruto doesn't have the speed or strength to take on Sasuke w/ Susanoo in close combat nor does he have the physical durability to survive any of it's attacks.
-FRS is negated.
-Weaker attacks can't break through Susanoo.
-No reliable answer to arrows and Amaterasu when used in combinations.
-No answer to Kirin.
Then there is Kirin, which is an auto GG. This is also not including V4 Susanoo as it becomes a buttrape if we talk about that. V2 Susanoo Sasuke vs. Pain Arc SM Naruto is a better fight that can lean in Naruto's favor. Only War Naruto can pressure V3 Susanoo Sasuke and even then V4 wrecks him.
They were fightning as chakra not just as astral beings, the moment naruto went sage mode in his mind the real one also transformed so yeah what his mind can also happen in the real world.
No it can't him drawing in natural energy was real but Naruto doesn't have the stamina for that we saw his sage mode battle against pain and how many clones he can form at 1 time. Those were the effects his mind was experiencing just as being taken over by the kyubi he has at a Max 4 times Kakashi's stamina thanks to the kyubi largely not 40 times. From Pain arc to Naruto's match with kyubi about a week or 2 at best had passed.
The only ti.e Naruto has demo strayed such a feat was when kyubi gave him chakra to fight against mokuton of Madara's.
No, Amaterasu isn't a projectile, it spawns on the target:
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Notice how only the ice near Sasuke's hand melted, if Sasuke shots amaterasu like a projectile, the ice would start melting from his eyes
what Sasuke was focusing on was Ay's after image which is non-existent so it spawned on the Samurai who was on Sasuke's line of sight.
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Ay was already preparing his shunshin before Sasuke used Amaterasu, and used on the right moment to leave Sasuke's line of sight.
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Naruto moving his body slightly won't stop the flames from spawning on him, as Sasuke is still cabable of seeing him thus he gets hit by it, and let's not forget the fact that Sasuke can make amaterasu almost the size of a bijuu so Naruto is not dodging something that big.
-Amaterasu was comparable to kirin meaning it does have speed.
-What sasuke did in the ice dimension was creating through his own hands.
-And in Ays part you can clearly see materasu appearing before real one and then he creating the afterimages.
-Whenever amaterasu is created on contact or not they move towards the opponent to do so first witch is enough for naruto to sense and react at the last second that its created.
Hand to hand combat I'd give Naruto cuz of frog kumite
But if sasuke pulls out susanoo and uses amaterasu I don't see Naruto winning that fight
I think SM >MS(without susanoo) MS(with susanoo)>SM but BM>MS then EMS=BM/BSM
-Amaterasu was comparable to kirin meaning it does have speed.
-What sasuke did in the ice dimension was creating through his own hands.
-And in Ays part you can clearly see materasu appearing before real one and then he creating the afterimages.
-Whenever amaterasu is created on contact or not they move towards the opponent to do so first witch is enough for naruto to sense and react at the last second that its created.
Naruto can't physically dodge Amatersu, so it's irrelevant to whether he can sense it or not. The question is: Can SM Naruto physically react to Amatersu? No, he can't. Never have been and never will. I base this on the fact he got blitzed by Blind Madara.
Naruto can't physically dodge Amatersu, so it's irrelevant to whether he can sense it or not. The question is: Can SM Naruto physically react to Amatersu? No, he can't. Never have been and never will. I base this on the fact he got blitzed by Blind Madara.
What the hell does madara has anything to do with this :lol.
Naruto dodged the 3th raikage thats enough to dodge amaterasu, inb4 you state that the third raikage its slower then the 4th make sure to post evidence backing up.
What the hell does madara has anything to do with this :lol.
Naruto dodged the 3th raikage thats enough to dodge amaterasu, inb4 you state that the third raikage its slower then the 4th make sure to post evidence backing up.
Not only you're a degenerate Narutard, you can't read either. Madara has everything to do with it because he's trillion times slower than Amatersu, yet blitzed SM Naruto, whom you believe can dodge Amatersu. So by that reason, Amatersu burns Naruto alive.
Raikage's only speed is blitzing irrelevant fodders. You need to show feats of him being as fast as his son, because I don't care about your worthless speculations.
Not only you're a degenerate Narutard, you can't read either. Madara has everything to do with it because he's trillion times slower than Amatersu, yet blitzed SM Naruto, whom you believe can dodge Amatersu. So by that reason, Amatersu burns Naruto alive.
Raikage's only speed is blitzing irrelevant fodders. You need to show feats of him being as fast as his son, because I don't care about your worthless speculations.
Sage Mode Naruto is stronger. Sage Mode Naruto beat pain and Kurama, that's bigger then Sasuke and his team "beating" Killer Bee and Danzo. Sage Mode Naruto > MS Sasuke.
Technically nope. MS look weaker bcus of its setback(blindness from overuse) but in reality MS is hiding the true power of Sharingan that's PS and if Uchiha have the strong chakra to maintain the life expectancy of MS they will never need an EMS. Kakashi is an example.
So MS user still need big power up to match MS user in power.
Not only you're a degenerate Narutard, you can't read either. Madara has everything to do with it because he's trillion times slower than Amatersu, yet blitzed SM Naruto, whom you believe can dodge Amatersu. So by that reason, Amatersu burns Naruto alive.
where its the evidence that revived madara its slower? Show me the facts and then we can talk.
Raikage's only speed is blitzing irrelevant fodders. You need to show feats of him being as fast as his son, because I don't care about your worthless speculations.
Naruto addresses the "raikages" as extremely fast, even after seeing ay going at full speed he never stated that he the other was slower.Not forgetting that both ay and his father are stated to have biju chakra levels and whe know for a fact that its those high levels of chakra that allow them to be that fast.
And even though naruto had the opper hand in speed he still needed to distract him to get closer to him and launch the rasenshuriken.
^^This.Its idiots like these that like going with assumptions that a character its slower then the other without a single trace of evidence the ones deserving the tittle of "Narutard".
Technically nope. MS look weaker bcus of its setback(blindness from overuse) but in reality MS is hiding the true power of Sharingan that's PS and if Uchiha have the strong chakra to maintain the life expectancy of MS they will never need an EMS. Kakashi is an example.
So MS user still need big power up to match MS user in power.
Yeah i also believe that PS comes from the users chakra and not just EMS or else madara would be a total ***** agains't hashirama who had the gollen statue who was already at perfect susanoo level and the 100 hundred palm Buddha, before he aquired his brother EMS.
The only reason why sasuke can't access that form its because its chakra its not enough unlike madara who had one of the strongest chakra among his clans.
-Amaterasu was comparable to kirin meaning it does have speed.
-What sasuke did in the ice dimension was creating through his own hands.
-And in Ays part you can clearly see materasu appearing before real one and then he creating the afterimages.
-Whenever amaterasu is created on contact or not they move towards the opponent to do so first witch is enough for naruto to sense and react at the last second that its created.
Amaterasu was comparable to Kirin as being undodgeable, because Kirin is as fast as light and Amaterasu is as fast as the users MS tracking, which only Ay's already prepared shunshin was able to avoid.
What you see the user focusing on his target, it's not flame moving on the air, and Ay's case was Ay leaving Sasuke's LoS which amaterasu spawn on the area he was focusing on, which the Samurai was on.
Amaterasu is not a projectile, it spawns, you're completely changing the nature of jutsu to prove your point which is not how you prove a point: here you see flames spawnning on their line of sight:
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You can see the flames Spawning on the air next to Sasuke wing, meaning the flames was spawning on where Itachi's vision was focused, which is the air next to Sasuke.
And keep in mind that Itachi wasn't trying to kill Sasuke before you try to say somethings like Hebi Sasuke dodging amaterasu.:lol
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You can see the flames not hitting the spike that was near Sasuke but the area behind the Spike, if it moves in the air like you said then that Spike would be caught on fire.
Instead the flames was spawning behind the spike, where Sasuke's vision is focused at.
Ay already knew something was coming and prepared shunshin beforehand, if Naruto senses it, he still has to be able to move faster than Sasuke's MS can track, and only somone on Ay's league of Shunshin can do, and let me remind you again that Amaterasu can be as big as Hachibi, meaning Amaterasu would just spawn near Naruto and it would still get him of he's ever able to escape Sasuke's line of sight.
I think you need to stop trying too hard and just admit that a past version of Sasuke is stronger than a past version of Naruto, Naruto needs KCM to survive Amaterasu.
Amaterasu was comparable to Kirin as being an dodgeable, because Kirin is as fast as light and Amaterasu is as fast as the users MS tracking, which only Ay's already prepared shunshin was able to avoid.
What you see the user focusing on his target, it's not flame moving on the air, and Ay's case was Ay leaving Sasuke's LoS which amaterasu spawn on the area he was focusing on, whichthe Samurai.
Amaterasu is not a projectile, it spawns, you're completely changing the nature of jutsu to prove your point which is not how you prove a point: here you see flames spawnning on their line of sight:
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You can see the flames Spawning on the air next to Sasuke wing, meaning the air was Spawning on where Itachi's vision was focused.
And keep in mind that Itachi wasn't trying to kill Sasuke before you try to somethings like Hebi Sasuke dodging amaterasu.:lol
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You can see the flames not hitting the spike that was near Sasuke but the area behind the Spike, if it moves in the air like you said then that Spike would be caught on fir.
Instead the flames was spawning behind the spike, where Sasuke's vision is focused at.
Ay already knew something was coming and prepared shunshin beforehand, if Naruto senses it, he still has to be able to move faster than Sasuke's MS can track, and only somone on Ay's league of Shunshin can do, and let me remind you again that Amaterasu can be as big as Hachibi, meaning Amaterasu would just spawn near Naruto and it would still get him of he's ever able to escape Sasuke's line of sight.
I think you need to stop trying too hard and just admit that a past version of Sasuke is stronger than a past version of Naruto, Naruto needs KCM to survive Amaterasu.
