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Hm... It's too much for the original 7 Shichibukai to take down such crew as Big Mom Pirates. Nope. They can't.
[VS] Warlords vs Big Mom Pirates
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Actually it was just a regular Kong Gun, not King-Kong Gun.
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Rikudou Tobi
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No that's completely wrong because Shanks was a big shot even before he became a Yonko, so the bandits not recognizing him is just their ignorance and completely irrelevant. Whitebeard already said that when Shanks returned BACK to the New World with a missing arm, the whole world was surprised on who took his arms then. Shanks was already a Yonko at that point and that's not up for debate.
The duels was never stated to be when they were rookies, that's just your speculation but it was implied that Shanks had duels with Shanks until he lost his arm, so of course he had fights with him as a Yonko as well.
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It's not ignorance. Not even one of them can't recognize a guy who got billions of bounty is enough to prove that none of them were affliated to Yonko.
Nothing proves Shanks n Mihawk were big shot. The only thing WB said was that there clashes shook grandline that's it. If they were such a big shot then Marines would interfere like they did when WB n Shanks were gonna meet. Everybody talking how he lost a hand isn't a proof as we saw WG talking about lil details like how Crocodile lost or Doffy quit being Warlord.
Rikudou Tobi
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That’s wrong. You don’t need to be a yonko to become infamous, even Mihawk is not a yonko yet he still gets universal retcognition from everybody. Samething with Luffy too prior to the Dogtooth fight.
So obviously Shanks was a Yonko during the beginning of the story, Whitebeard said once he returned to the New World people were shocked that he came back with a missing arm.
I hope you’re joking because Whitebeard said that they were legends. It’s right there written in page I just posted. On top of that anyone who was on the Pirate King’s Crew is a Big shot.
Interfere with what exactly? Marines only got involved with Shanks when another Yonko meets another Yonko, even Bog Mom having a conversation to meet Kaido in Wano was sparking a panic all over HQ. Besides that the marines have nothing to do with where Shanks goes.
Garp was already aware of Shanks being in the East blue any how.
So once again Shanks was a Yonko, the man has been a Yonko before Ace set out to seas.
Also the Warlords work for the government so they need to discuss some concerns about one of their 3 great powers.
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Skull Knight
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Lol Mihawk is a Shichibukai + WSS Swordsman.
Luffy's was a big moniker pre TS. Even Doffy knew him and yet he was nowhere close to Yonko/Shichibukai lvl pre TS.
By legend he was talking about there stories not about they both being some big shots.
Its like Chinjao who remember his duel with Garp n Garp wasnt even in his prime.
No...
WG always interfere when 2 Yonkos are about to met. Since it would destroy there balance if anyone dies or loses. If Shanks was a Yonko n Mihawk is also presumably stronger than a Yonko then obviously WG would interfere n stop Mihawk.
Again people talking about a missing arm isn't a big thing as people were talking how Luffy escaped Impel Down or Doffy exiting giving away his Shichibukai title.
WB was simply remembering the past and not even a single time he hinted Shanks waa a Yonko when all that happened.
Rather him loosing his hand n not using Conqueror Haki at beginning also suggests that he was kinda like Luffy pre TS.
That is what I said, and Shanks does not have an arm since like maybe 13 years ago. We dont know If Shanks already had Yonkou Power Level. So Shanks could have fought him when he was becoming strong.
He never said it was before or after he became Yonko, he didnt even mention when he became Yonko, he just that their fight were a legend.
Those Biscuits are nor G4 level since only one Kong Gun is enough to destroy them with ease. Gear 3 cant break them and Gear 4 crashes them. So they are between Gear 3 and Gear 4 in durability, after all Gear 4 triples the power.
Rikudou Tobi
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Well not only did you prove my point that you don't need to be a Yonko to be infamous, you're also wrong about Luffy being more famous than Mihawk. Mihawk was well known way before Luffy in part 1 even Zoro knew him right off the bat for being the greatest swordsmen.
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. He knew that Crocodile was too strong to be taken out by Smoker so he used his resources to figure out the truth, that truth is Luffy. If not for that he wouldn't of done research on him to figure him out who he was.That doesn't make an sense whatsoever. If Shanks and Mihawk's fights are legendary, then that means that they are legends themselves because they are the ones doing the action. Whitebeard clearly said that Mihawk and Shanks are legends so you can't argue your way out of this one.
And that example you gave about Chinjao is bad because he's considered a
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himselfYes... Read the manga, even Buggy disagrees with you:
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No, Mihawk was presumed to be as strong as a Yonko (because of his duels with Shanks) or slightly below them in strength. He was never implied to be stronger than a Yonko.
On top of that the Warlord of the Seas work for the World Government so they would encourage Mihawk taking out another powerful pirate and make an example of it like they wanted to do Whitebeard.
Whitebeard said that everyone was surprised beyond their imagination when Shanks returned to the New world from the east blue with a missing arm:
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So to say that it wasn't a big talk is not only wrong according to Whitebeard but the biggest baseless claim to ever make considering the fact that 10 years later was a time skip of Luffy going from 7 years old to 17 years old in the end of chapter 1. No details were made in those 10 years.
Shanks was clearly a Yonko because people in the East Blue such as Nami didn't know that Shanks is a Yonko until AFTER Garp told them:
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So your logic is flawed here. She knew about Dragon being the most wanted criminal at 18 years of age but didn't know that Shanks was a Yonko at 18 years of age pre-Garp revealing.
Skull Knight
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Wtf u talking about Mihawk was a Shichibukai + WSS. Obviously he was famous. Same goes for Luffy who was famous for a no. of reason. Doffy's calling him out shows that Luffy even Zoro are some of the big guys known in the series n none of them were big shots at that time.
No...
I already gave u Chinjao example.
And Chinjao was a fodder who got soloed by Garp who wasn't even in his prime. So congrats u yourself proved that the so called legends or legendary fights doesn't mean both parties were at there Prime.
Sailing on PK ship makes u so much famous that half of d world forget about Buggy. Yeah right
No... If that was d case WG would have sent Mihawk to kill WB or Shanks.
One u repeating d same thing and giving literally zero proof that Shanks was a Yonko when the duel happened.
People in One pieceverse has shown to be worried when small/little things happened like Crocodile lost, Doffy quit etc.
Second point is WB n Shanks meeting took place decades later n nobody was talking about Shanks missing arm other than WB.
Thirdly people in OPverse are not that ill informed as u think they are considering the fact that SHs knew about Dragon, WB and other guys. People with a billion bounty are well known. Heck when Luffy had 30-100mil bounty so many guys knew him.
Just think how absurd it sounds like,
A guy who can stop wars, duels with another Yonkos, talks with Elders isn't protecting his territories in NW rather chilling in East blue n on top of that people have no idea who he is...
And it's not like those bandits met them.once n left. They met them twice
Well 2 warloads of doffy level alongside Mihawk should be able to take BM in my opinion, largely due to Mihawk being a mystery so far. So i am going by hype, coz he may very well turn out to be 1st mate level in the end or an admiral or yonko level. You never know. But if he is anything around admiral level, he should take BM down with two warloads by his side.
And you are mismatching here. Jinbei will do good against cracker due to being his weakness. I wonder who among these can take katakuri down though.
Skull Knight
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Doffy isn't Admiral lvl tho.
Jinbei can stop Cracker but I doubt he can took him down
But from the shichibukai only Mihawk and Jinbei can bypass the biscuits.
So we are under the assumption that Mihawk will be fighting BM so obviously no one else can stop the biscuits. Jinbei can but he'll get blitzed by Katakuri since he'll foresee that Jinbei will try to wet the biscuits.
Rikudou Tobi
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What the fuck is wrong with your head? Luffy is famous because he took down the warlords and declared war against the government in Enies Lobby. You don't know shit about Onepiece.
Doflamingo only knew about Luffy because he took out Crocodile another Warlord. So wtf does that have to do with anything? Mihawk was long infamous before Luffy was so my point still stands regardless. Use your head. :|
No, I already debunked that rubbish, he's still a legend. How about you learn how to read the whole post and not quote by quote next time.
Well congratulations for having a senseless opinion about Garp busting 8 mountains with his punches challenging Chinjao to a duel. Or that splitting an Ice continent is fodder.
And that was Garp in his prime so clearly you have no idea on what you're talking about once again
And yet look what happened in the manga when the wolrd found out that Buggy sailed with the Pirate KingSailing on PK ship makes u so much famous that half of d world forget about Buggy. Yeah right
No, wrong because unlike Whitebeard and Shanks, Mihawk does not have a crew of men with several captains by his saide. Try again
And yet here you are not being able to prove me wrong. Shanks is obviously Yonko.
No one gives a shit about Dofy quieting except for Dressrosa and all his suppliers. And like I said, Whitebeard said that everyone was surprised beyong imagination about Shanks' missing arm.
Whitebeard>>>>You.
Yes they were because Whitebeard said so. The thing happened a decade later so wtf is your point? Oda never revealed about what happened in the new world within that decade it was all off panel.
You're talking about recent chapters and completely irrelevant to what I'm saying. Those bandits in the East blue as well as Nami who came from the East blue did not know that Shanks is famous. Just because they didn't know doesn't mean the rest of the world did not.
Shanks was confirmed to be Yonko by Garp and Nami still didn't know until after Garp mentioned it. Which proves my point exactly that the bandits are no different than Nami because those people in the East blue didn't know that Shanks is a Yonko. Everyone else in the world knew who he was even Robin and Sanji knew.
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Your point was one is famous when he is super strong or related with famous crew which isn't the case as Roronoa was famous for his rep.
U debunk nothing.
Lol that isn't his Prime. Garp prime is when he fought Roger. Breaking Mountains isn't a feat as it has been already replicated by Zoro cutting Pics clean unless u consider current Zoro as Prime.
There were number of reasons why they made him ShichibukaiAnd yet look what happened in the manga when the wolrd found out that Buggy sailed with the Pirate King
1) Escaped ID
2) ID Prisoners worship him as some sort of Messiah
3) His connection with Shanks n his whatever lil role in MF
What does that has to do with anything I said. Even if we consider Mihawk as Admiral lvl(who mostly works alone or with fodders) still WG won't allow him to go n kill Shanks as Shanks is one of the pillar that's holding NW.
Lol not even one guy talked about Shanks missing arm. It's similar to Aokiji who is missing a leg n nobody talks about it even tho he's a former Admiral.
And people actually cared when Doffy quit. Entire Dressrosa begged Doffy to think about it. Even Fujitora was furious about it. WG also have to send CP0 to say that it was wrong info printed in Newspaper. If it wasn't an issue then WG won't send CP0 at Dressrosa to convey that info.
Already replied not gonna waste time as u going round n round proving nothing.
It was never mentioned Shanks at that point was Yonko. U still need to prove that Shanks was a Yonko when the duels took place.
To further prove my point that Shanks wasn't a Yonko when he met Luffy is by looking at his scars which he got from BB.
A pre TS BB with his full crew didn't dare to fight Shanks at MF, Chicken out when Akainu came to deliver his ship post TS n u seriously think he will fight Shanks n give him the scar knowing Shanks was a Yonko???
Another absurd thing I just realized is that Luffy enters BM territory, fights BM & causes ruckus in CI n entire world start thinking 5th Emperor of sea has arrived.
Mihawk enters Shanks territory fights him, stalemate him n the best he got is Shichibukai title lol
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I don't know If you realized this but you kinda shot your own argument. Simply being on Roger's ship doesn't make you famous or else people including the Marine's would have known about Buggy early. The marine even says it, at first we didn't think anything of you then we learned. Yes everyone from Rogers ship is impressive but not everyone is famous or a big shot.
And although it's the most likely answer we have no real confirmation Shanks was a Yonko prior to losing his arm, and the quote by WB isn't proof for either claim so not sure why you keep bringing it up like it proves a point?
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My point is that you don't need to be a Yonko to be famous, which I said in the first page, and Roronoa didn't become famous until he became associated with Luffy's strong crew:
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I debunked everything, deal with it.
That's the same Garp.
What are you talking about? You don't know any shit about Garp, that was prime Garp and Prime Garp isn't only the one that fought Rogers. Prime Garp has an appearance that everyone in this base knows except for you.Prime Garp fought Rogers, Locks/Rocks, Chinjao, and Shiki Lion. To think that Prime Garp fough one person is just senile and sad.
I feel sorry for you, Pica does not consist of 8 mountains and we've never seen Zoro cut 8 mountains before. Learn about what an Outlier means.
1) wrong because many people escaped the impel down from level 6 who are stronger than Buggy.
2)Wrong
3) Like the manga stated. It's because he is blood brothers with Shanks and he's on the Pirate Kings crew. The marine stated this and I underlined it word for word so it's hard to miss that part.
Use common sense. That has everything to do with what is being said because no admiral has and can go alone to fight a Yonko. And Shanks holding the "pillars of the NW" is some headcanon bs because as far as I'm concern, Whitebeard was killed by the marines.
So are you that dense or do you actually like trolling this much? Whitebeard said everybody was talking about Shanks missing arm. That happened a decade ago so why is that hard for you to understand?
No one gave a shit about Dofy quitting only his country and his business workers, the bold is wrong, and Cp0 works for celestial dragons. Stop talking nonsense.
Read the whole post, simple English. Stop reading it quote by quote because that quote was part of my last one.
That's your job not mine
This doesn't make any sense, he had no problem killing Whitebeard, beating the shit out of Ace, and killing Thatch on Witebeard's crew. So yes, Blackbeard would attack a Yonko. The scar has nothing to do with it because Shanks had a scar in part 1. You're assuming that Shanks never fought Mihawk with a scar on his face before.
1. Mihawk doesn't have a crew
2. Moriah fought Kaido when he was a yonko and he gained a warlord title :lol
3. Your assuming that Mihawk wasn't a warlord when he fought Shanks
Rikudou Tobi
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I think your done here because you haven't proved anything. You just keep going off topic talking about your opinion instead of what's in the manga.
1.The manga said that Chinjao is a legend (which I proved w/my scan) but you feel like he's not a legend because you think he's a fodder
2. You think Mihawk isn't infamous and that Part 1 East blue Luffy is more well known than Mihawk
3. You said that the Garp who fought Chinjao wasn't in his prime
These are all laughable
1.The manga said that Chinjao is a legend (which I proved w/my scan) but you feel like he's not a legend because you think he's a fodder
2. You think Mihawk isn't infamous and that Part 1 East blue Luffy is more well known than Mihawk
3. You said that the Garp who fought Chinjao wasn't in his prime
These are all laughable
Rikudou Tobi
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Buggy became famous once the world learned that he was on the Pirate King's crew and it was responsible for giving him the Warlord title. He's a big shot because of his connections to Rogers and Shanks.
I honestly don't know how hard it is for you to see this. People didn't know Buggy was part of the Pirate King's crew prior to the jailbreak.
So???
Like I told kiiro in my original post it was implied, you can tell when Whitebeard said that the whole world was surprised once he returned to the New World . Nothing said by anywhere else has every proved that Shanks is not a Yonko prior to his arm being taken off.
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Roronoa was famous even before he joined Luffy's crew. He is known by d name Pirate hunter who was given an invitation by Baroque works.
Nope...
Yeah right next is Chinjao was in same leagues as Roger n WB right since Prime Garp need to train to beat ChinjaoThat's the same Garp.
Prime Garp fought Rogers, Locks/Rocks, Chinjao, and Shiki Lion. To think that Prime Garp fough one person is just senile and sad.
Lol Garp said he destryed 8mountains doesn't mean he destryed them all in once.
And those lvl6 is with BB.
Jinbei gave his Shichibukai title n Crocodile lost it's obvious they not gonna make them Shichibukai again.
U are seriously dumb or u drunk. Have u forgotten the caos that erupted after WBs demise????
Even last chapter Kizaru volunteer to go to Wano alone.
Nobody cared that's why Fujitora was furious right.
And it was only WB who was remembering the past who said everyone was talking about "how u lost that hand"
OPverse has time n again showed that people care about small things that's happening around them say for example Luffy's return post TS was a big issue that SHs have resurfaced after 2years.
It's u who claims Shanks was a Yonko when they fought so the burden of proof lies on your shoulder or you ran out of arguments o_0
1)He fought WB when he was reduced to almost vegetable state n he had eaten his DF. Same with Ace where he wants to try his Df powers.
On the other hand he gave scar to Shanks when he wasn't even a DF user.
2)that part 1 scar was given to him by BB duh
1)He actually have a crew now That ghost girl counts as a crew member
2)that's another assumption that Moriah fought Yonko Kaido(again never mentioned that Kaido was a Yonko when they fought).
3)I have never said anything like that (but it will be also count as assumption if u think he was a warlord back then. Even tho Oda has never said that in manga)