Jesus how bad are saku and tsuna in a fight that Katsuyu is needed to do most of the work for literally 99.9% of every damn hypothetical match up they've ever been in? Op should just rename the thread Katsuyu vs 6pop
I'd point out that the other sannin make excessive use of their summons.
Because the properties of actual slugs is obviously the same as properties of a fictional slug that can divide reform melt and re coagulate and communicate telepathically. Cool Story bro.
No, so Jiraiya didn't summon a Toad's esophogas (being inside of a toad) to deal deal with Itachi or Kisame. OR did Naruto not use Bunta's mouth for a trap. Also none of the summons have the physical properties of Katsuyu so its a fallacious argument.
Idiot... real slugs cannot be survive being cut apart. Nor can they just melt and everything be ok. Nor do they handle being subjected to the gravitational pressure a katsuyu mini was in CT. Just no.
Sakura/Tsunade sit on/inside her, Pain causally deflects her pitiful offensive abilities, while she gets pounded by multiple summons from the Air and ground. Her summon timer runs out, she goes poof, Pain neggs tsunade and sakura.
No, so Jiraiya didn't summon a Toad's esophogas (being inside of a toad) to deal deal with Itachi or Kisame. OR did Naruto not use Bunta's mouth for a trap. Also none of the summons have the physical properties of Katsuyu so its a fallacious argument.
Idiot... real slugs cannot be survive being cut apart. Nor can they just melt and everything be ok. Nor do they handle being subjected to the gravitational pressure a katsuyu mini was in CT. Just no.
The katsuyu mini was under the shroud, doesn't change the fact that its still made out of liquids and unless you have proof otherwise the same liquid on a normal slug.
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Do you honestly believe that CT is big enough to suck up 10% of Katsuyu?
Not 10% Katsuyu
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That would be a Katsuyu larger than Gamabunta, who rivals shukaku in size and a Gamabunta that held down a 100% Kurama
So we just saw Tsunade in comparison to Katsuyu, now let's look at Naruto in comparison to CT
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Katsuyu is more than big enough to provide adequate insulation. And as maintaining CT requires a lot of chakra. The medics simply out wait the jutsu.
There is nothing reasonable in the counter to CT you proposed. All you did was cherrypick a scan where it inconsistently shows CT is as big as Kurama, but ignored other consistent scans as well as statement where CT is shown to be mountain-range satellite. Please...CT one-shots Katsuya and its summoners. The satellite is composed 12 mountain surface and digs up deep the earth crater.
Konan has seen the size of Biju prior, as she contributed to the sealing of Biju's, yet she praises how big Nagato made it. There is no way it can be a construction sized after Kurama, meaning the logical conclusion is it's mountain range as the author consistently displayed, and since it constitutes multiple mountains, it also dwarfs titanics such as the Jubi, Perfect Susanoo and Mokujin.
CT one-shots the team; even if you restricted it, Pain still low diffs. Katsuya doesn't serve any validity because she can be immobilized by the black rods. Deva and Animal Paths individually can solo the rest and I don't have to explain why.
These two ninja combined are stronger than Pain tier-wise but they simply don't have the variety needed to combat Pain.
To defeat Pain Naruto needed to experiment with specific Sage mastery techs, Toad Summons, Kyuubi, Rasen-Shuriken, MultiKageBunshin, Ma & Pa Toad and more. Hecka fists and Katsuyu isn't enough.
Jesus how bad are saku and tsuna in a fight that Katsuyu is needed to do most of the work for literally 99.9% of every damn hypothetical match up they've ever been in? Op should just rename the thread Katsuyu vs 6pop
Lol why exactly is this thread turning into Tsunade vs katsuyu and discussion about her using Katsuyu. Its funny how that always gets brought up when other characters do the exact same thing.
There is nothing reasonable in the counter to CT you proposed. All you did was cherrypick a scan where it inconsistently shows CT is as big as Kurama, but ignored other consistent scans as well as statement where CT is shown to be mountain-range satellite. Please...CT one-shots Katsuya and its summoners. The satellite is composed 12 mountain surface and digs up deep the earth crater.
Konan has seen the size of Biju prior, as she contributed to the sealing of Biju's, yet she praises how big Nagato made it. There is no way it can be a construction sized after Kurama, meaning the logical conclusion is it's mountain range as the author consistently displayed, and since it constitutes multiple mountains, it also dwarfs titanics such as the Jubi, Perfect Susanoo and Mokujin.
CT one-shots the team; even if you restricted it, Pain still low diffs. Katsuya doesn't serve any validity because she can be immobilized by the black rods. Deva and Animal Paths individually can solo the rest and I don't have to explain why.
Actually you my friend are the one who cherry picked as 50% Kyuubi (and not even a full 50% as Naruto didn't finish undoing the seal) is what broke out of CT not a 100% one which matters.
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As Kurama significantly shrank after being sealed.
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And we can compare Katsuyu to the kyuubi via gamabunta.
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In the scan I posted earlier Katsuyu was larger than Bunta
How exactly would CT hurt Katsuyu? I really want to know the answer to that question. "CT soloes Katsuyu and her summoners" How cool so gravitational pressures that Naruto in human form withstood is going to kill a creature that can liquefy.
Dope. Cool fanfic.
Katsuyu's counter for the rods? Divide or liquefy surprisingly simple escape.
Not a stomp thread. You're just woefully under read on the medics is all.
Also, Katsuyu is a part of Tsunade's power. Despite whatever you guys dislike about it. Katsuyu uses Tsunade's chakra to heal. It uses it to stay put as opposed to having a time limit.
The number of battles against higher ups that Jiraiya could not fight without toads is high. Because his sage mode is dependent on his summons. And without his summons he still has some pretty dope jutsu such as Katon, Doton, Oil, and Rasengan. But so does Tsunade having BPD, for instance. Chakra scalpels as another. Byakugou. And an array of medical ninjutsu.
Actually you my friend are the one who cherry picked as 50% Kyuubi (and not even a full 50% as Naruto didn't finish undoing the seal) is what broke out of CT not a 100% one which matters.
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As Kurama significantly shrank after being sealed.
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And we can compare Katsuyu to the kyuubi via gamabunta.
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In the scan I posted earlier Katsuyu was larger than Bunta
None of this is relevant. CT is a mountain range which can house Katsuya, Kurama and Sannin summons together.
How exactly would CT hurt Katsuyu? I really want to know the answer to that question. "CT soloes Katsuyu and her summoners" How cool so gravitational pressures that Naruto in human form withstood is going to kill a creature that can liquefy.
Can't liquefy when her Chakra points are shut down, as that's what the rods do.
Also, Katsuyu is a part of Tsunade's power. Despite whatever you guys dislike about it. Katsuyu uses Tsunade's chakra to heal. It uses it to stay put as opposed to having a time limit.
I kinda want to know if Pain could take control of Katsuyu with those rods of his. Katsuyu could liquefy but that wouldn't happen if she's already under Pain's control..
If you had bothered to readthe thread you'd know how stupid this argument is. A Bijuu is literally mountain sized. 10% Katsuyu is larger than all 9 bijuus. So how exactly do you think Pein's CT is large enough?
I dont know for sure if acid would destroy the core, it very well could if she could spit enough seeing as how she is huge in her 10% form. The
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would pull in the acid so we dont have to worry about Katsuyu hitting it.
You can see Katsuyu span out across the battlefield where Naruto and Sasuke were fighting Obito. If you look at the bottom near the roots you can see how far she is actually spread out. Later we see Naruto, Sasuke and Obito crash into the ground where Katsuyu's liquid was and they combine PS with the Kyuubi. From this we see that 10% Katsuyu dwarfs Armored Kyuubi.
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Another testament to her size:
10% Katsuyu takes up the whole area between two roots of the god tree. We later see the Bijuu within that area between the roots in the god tree. Maybe not in the exact space where Katsuyu was summoned but we can see that the spaces between the God tree roots arent much different. So she dwarfs all the Bijuu.
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Taking that into account Nagato is going to have a hard time pulling in the size of Katsuyu and then covering her up with more rock to complete the justu.
No, Rikuudo Chibaku Tensei seals. And the huge difference is that the center of mass is the person in Rikuudo Chibaku Tensei. Whereas Pein's version uses a black orb.
Can't liquefy when her Chakra points are shut down, as that's what the rods do.
Like Sakura couldn't move when she was impaled by a Chakra rod?
Also the chakra rods don't necessarily stop movement. And when Katsuyu melted did you see her use a technique to do so? No. Nor did she use a technique when she divided. It certainly seems to be more of a quirk of her anatomy. I'm not convinced it actually uses chakra.
If you had bothered to readthe thread you'd know how stupid this argument is. A Bijuu is literally mountain sized. 10% Katsuyu is larger than all 9 bijuus. So how exactly do you think Pein's CT is large enough?
You must genuinely have sight problems. A Biju Dama radius can blast a singular mountain and Biju caught inside the radius is a dot. [
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] A more depth scaling shows how Perfect Susanoo and SM Mokujin - whom are mountain-sized constructions dwarf Senpō: Myōjinmon that held the Jubi; each Myōjinmon is a Biju-sized. [
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] The author has never once in the entire manga drew Biju's to be size of mountains; if such scan existed, it's inconsistent with the majority of scans.
Back at it again: CT was composed of 12 mountain surface and digs deep earth's crater, which I drew out for you - obviously you've got eye sight issues not see how big the satellite is.
Which is bigger: Pain's CT that he performed after having used most of his Chakra is a mountain-range satellite, which dwarfs titans like the Jubi and Perfect Susanoo or 10% Katsuya that's barely bigger than Biju's? Whose argument is stupid again? Open those goddamn eyes of your and start reading before replying and wasting my time.
No, Rikuudo Chibaku Tensei seals. And the huge difference is that the center of mass is the person in Rikuudo Chibaku Tensei. Whereas Pein's version uses a black orb.
Lmao! The entry on Databook IV for Rikudou and standard CT are one, so this is irrelevant. Not to mention a standard CT was shown to substitute the target as gravitational attraction instead of the orb. Pain's CT still seals Katsuya, regardless of whatever version.
Like Sakura couldn't move when she was impaled by a Chakra rod?
You mean the Truthseeker staff? Doesn't carry the same function. Sorry. Gets paled and Chakra network is shut and she can't move anymore.
Also the chakra rods don't necessarily stop movement. And when Katsuyu melted did you see her use a technique to do so? No. Nor did she use a technique when she divided. It certainly seems to be more of a quirk of her anatomy. I'm not convinced it actually uses chakra.
