War Arc Neji VS Hidan

[EZQ]

Man i'm too lazy. But i'll post some day believe it.

Tuesday night since the next day i don't have college

 

[Curse Mark]

Man i'm too lazy. But i'll post some day believe it.

Tuesday night since the next day i don't have college

we'll be waiting yo

 

[Claymantan]

i'll post some day believe it.

You must be registered for see images

 

[The Arizen]

Both hidan and EZQ got bodied dwl

 

[shelke]

Neji wins, rather easily.

 

[BLAZE]

Neji outclasses hidan badly tbh

 

[Curse Mark]

Disagree

 

[BLAZE]

Disagree

on wut

 

[Curse Mark]

on wut

I still think Hidan takes. Reasons aforementioned in this thread.

 

[BLAZE]

I still think Hidan takes. Reasons aforementioned in this thread.

well tbh for me Neji>Hidan in almost everything but i will like to see EZQ's post

 

[Curse Mark]

well tbh for me Neji>Hidan in almost everything but i will like to see EZQ's post

Neji can't spin forever and I don't really see closing Hidan's points doing anything, not that he could even hit him.

 

[BLAZE]

Neji can't spin forever and I don't really see closing Hidan's points doing anything, not that he could even hit him.

he only needs to do that when hidan closes in and he can do it easily with almost 360 degree vision

i have same doubt but lets see

 

[Curse Mark]

he only needs to do that when hidan closes in and he can do it easily with almost 360 degree vision

i have same doubt but lets see

Neji has no way of breaking the scythe cord. The scythe is neji's downfall. He can use rotation to block it but for how long? It's being constantly whipping around from all directions and hidan only needs a scratch.

 

[ToshiZO]

1.How and where does Neji outclass Hidan? Where are Neji's Post skip CQC feats? The last I saw him he was struggling against Zetsu clones.
Neji is somehow magically superior to Hidan in CQC with zero feats pointing towards anything of the sort?

2.Hidan gets off of internal damage, how is anything Neji manages even bothering Hidan?

So we have Neji who is supposed to be an expert at CQC not even able to take advantage there because he isn't even superior to his opponent in that department AND we have his entire arsenal being useless infront of a man who stabs himself in his vitals for fun.

 

[EZQ]

we'll be waiting yo

You must be registered for see images

Both hidan and EZQ got bodied dwl

well tbh for me Neji>Hidan in almost everything but i will like to see EZQ's post

1.How and where does Neji outclass Hidan? Where are Neji's Post skip CQC feats? The last I saw him he was struggling against Zetsu clones.
Neji is somehow magically superior to Hidan in CQC with zero feats pointing towards anything of the sort?

2.Hidan gets off of internal damage, how is anything Neji manages even bothering Hidan?

So we have Neji who is supposed to be an expert at CQC not even able to take advantage there because he isn't even superior to his opponent in that department AND we have his entire arsenal being useless infront of a man who stabs himself in his vitals for fun.

Okay sorry for the delay. If you want to skip the arguments, just go for the final paragraph, the capitals bold, point c)

Location : Nara's Forrest.

Distance: 40m

Intel : Neji has full Intel from shika while hidan has basic Intel on jyuken similar to kidomaru's knowledge prior to his own learning.

Mindset : IC.

IMO , Neji wins low/mid diff.

1)-With perfect chakra control he easily stops anything hidan throws at him from anywhere at anytime , if hidan decides to rush in blindly , this tactic can easily be used and followed up w/kaiten , knocking hidan off balance an giving neji a clear oppenin , air palm can also be quickly used to easily catch hidan off-guard for a similar tactic.

First of all, and the main point of this debate. How on earth does Neji beat hidan if internal damage clearly doesn’t affect Hidan at all?

Spoiler

He moves his body perfectly without showing any kind of pain drawbacks while having his spine pierced by weapons

You must be registered for see images

Spine and heart pierced, he still moves with no problem. HAVING YOUR HEART PIERCED IS INTERNAL DAMAGE, MORE DAMAGE THAN WHAT NEJI CAN INFLICT WITH GENTLE FIST.
I hope nobody tries to argue that Neji can kill hidan via internal damage, lol.

You must be registered for see images

Now that this is clear. Let’s move to the next point. Since Neji can’t kill Hidan with gentle fist, since his internal organs being squashed won’t hold him back, let’s talk about your post.
You stated that Neji can stop anything Hidan throws at him. Cool, Hidan doesn’t throw things around, he maneouvers his schyte with the rope, so if Neji alters it’s trajectory, Hidan simply puts it back on road.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

This, plus the fact that Hidan is faster than Neji, and can use his sunshin speed and his unorthodox style to make up for his slow attacks
Here we have him keeping up with Asuma (a taijutsu expert) while dodging Shikamaru’s shadow. And pressuring Kakashi.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

We have Hidan being fast and agile enough to land strikes in Asuma at the same time he dodges the shadow. Pluse we have him pressuring Kakashi despite having his schyte broken and not being able to perform the rope pulling that he did against Asuma as a surprise attack (this is a huge factor people often over sees).
So, If Neji keeps that chakra thing up, not only he’d dry too fast, it wouldn’t be useful, since Hidan can put his schyte back on track by pulling the rope.
Neji was only able to barely change the arrows trajectory to not get killed. Completely different from an ability that allows him to take out any incoming projectile.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Smh. Neji’s only way to block Hidan’s schyte is via rotation. Which he can’t hold on forever. Hidan waits for the rotation to stop and pulls the rope right back at Neji. Gaining just one drop of blood is more than enough.
And for the ones who say “Neji easely dodges it”, no. Neji has 360° but still, he couldn’t fully react to white zetsu which he did clearly see coming thanks to his almost full panoramic vision.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

So, despite having that field of vision, his reaction speed is not instant. In fact it’s pretty far away from it.

2)-Neji's CQC skills are much better than hidans mixed with his raw natural talent in cqc coupled with his speed and ultimate defense makes hidans mere strikes useless.

This is a joke.
-Hidan is faster than Neji in movement speed and reflexes (1- pressured Kakashi, 2- hit Asuma while dodging Shikamaru’s attack). The only thing Neji surpasses him in cqc is his striking speed, which Hidan makes up with Unorthodox style and unpredictable moves as against Asuma, who needed to be warned 2 TIMES to be able to dodge Hidan’s strikes.
-Neji does not have a single feat that puts him above Asuma or Kakashi in reflexes or raw speed. So if you’re gonna hype his Taijutsu, do it against someone that is below Hidan’s level.

3)-Since neji is forced to fight an unconventional opponent (hidan ) he'll be forced to use unconventional means to immobilize him without even straying too far from the basic jyuken formula.

-By this I mean neji would pull a shizune and go for hidans "eyes" , the organs that hidan obviously still needs in order to fight properly.

-How he does this ? Well easily . It should be no argument that neji could easly go for the eyes if he ever chose to , this is the guy that was praised by kakashi/hiruzen and co with having a unprecedented level of acute skill and accuracy to even strike the tenketsu as easily as he could at his age.

You must be registered for see links

So striking eyes are ntn for neji when he has the advantage on his enemy especially with his "blinding" attack speed (pun intended ).

You must be registered for see links

Lmao, this guy actually resorted to Neji attacking Hidan’s eyes.
If Neji ever gets that close to Hidan, believe me he won’t have the time to be so precise. You’re acting like Hidan is a steady target or something
-Hidan uses his superior sunshin to get out of range
-Hidan gets close to him and by the price of getting hit, he gets the drop of blod, thus winning the match

But thats not all , lets not forget that a weakened p1 neji who was injured to the point of collapse was capable of "constantly " releasing chakra from all the chakra points in hiis body.

You must be registered for see links

By doing this neji was able to divert the trajectory of arrows capable of cutting through trees and forrests like grass and even bend those same full grown trees by simply flying by them.

You must be registered for see links

Adressed

-Hidan comes within this zone of chakra from a healthy war arc neji and his slow attacks and moves are made even more dull by it and neji gets even more time to react to his moves , gainin an even more tremendous advantage atop wat he already has with his superior skill and striking speed.

Hidan’s schyte doesn’t get affected by this category since it’s not a simple projectile that is thrown, Hidan can perfectly handle it’s trajectory. And Hidan moves faster than Neji (movement sunshin speed) so he uses that speed to approach neji and attack him from a close distance, leaving Neji no more choice than using Kaiten. Which, as already explained, drains Neji, and Hidan attacks again while Neji can’t keep rotation for ever.

Hidans unorthodox style with his weapon is easily countered by byakugan and neji's keen reflexes and/or anticipated and blocked with chakra , hidan will never draw blood from the guy who as a genin was dodging rains of kunai by a hairs width without getting so much as a paper-cut and who has a ultimate defense perfect to compensate for wat he can't dodge.

Again with the Keen reflexes things. Already showed that Neji’s reflexes are below Asuma’s and Kakashi’s until proven otherwhise (and lol you wont). If Neji keeps the chakra defence up (which as already explained doesn’t fully counter Hidan’s attack) then this turns into a battle of attrition, which is won by the guy that cannot get tired.

-Also good to note is that neji is already faster than hidan who is ranked at 3.5 in speed , with neji bein ranked at 4.5
, scoring the same taijutsu/speed stats as kakashi and hebi sasuke.

I don’t mess with Databook. If Neji was as fast as Kakashi and Hebi sasuke, he wouldn’t have been traped by a zetsu.
There are different types of speed. That 4.5 probably goes to Neji’s striking speed. Since Hidan’s body speed is by feats superior to neji’s.

Final Act : Neji easily outmaneuvers hidan who even lazy shikamru was able to fool and was accurate enough to spill kakusu's blood on his blade in the middle of his attack without hidan even knowing.

With neji's superior skill , striking speed , taijutsu , chakra control and visual awareness , aiming to take his eyes without dull hidan having a clue to wat neji's planning would be easy , by using his chakra reaction field to impede hidan in CQC he easily gains the advantage and proceeds use his striking speed aided by the field to attempt to press hidans eyes , while already having a kunai in hand on the off chance hidan tries to react by covering his eyes , neji then re-maneuvers himself into cutting through his knee-caps with the kunai if he tries to block.

Aided by the chakra-reaction field and byakugan , hidan has zero Chances of out-performing neji in a cqc battle with his attacks already being slow by default by his own admission .

Even if hidan by some miracle of jashin was able to draw blood (which he can't/won't ) , he won't get time to draw his mark since neji's faster , has air-palm , and even if hidan gets to completely create his circle neji simply air-palms him out then proceeds to flex kaiten a bit by spinning to the left , erasing the mark.

So, let me get this straight:

-The only tactic you could come up with for Neji is to attack hidan’s eyes? Lol, I don’t blame you anyways. Hidan is faster than him and can dodge Neji’s faster strikes, not to mention he can attack at the same time he dodges as shown against Asuma
-So Hidan can’t get even a lil bit restrained after getting some brute internal damage, and he only needs to draw a little drop of blood from Neji to win this
-Once Hidan gets the blood, Neji has to KILL HIM. Air palm? What would that do? Push him back?
-If this turns into a battle of attrition, Hidan, who can’t be hurt by Neji’s attacks, wins. Since this fellow already mentioned it, Neji would keep up his chakra defence to alter Hidan’s schyte’s trajectory (which as already explained wont work) and be forced to use rotation
Please then explain:
a) How Neji actually wins this
b) How Neji doesn’t get fully outlasted if he keeps that much chakra out of his body constantly
c) How neji would KILL AN IMMORTAL GUY VIA GENTLE FIST WHILE NOT GETTING A SIMPLE DROP OF BLOOD OUT OF YOUR BODY, WHILE THIS SAME GUY BEATS IN TAIJUTSU ASUMA (WHICH BY FEATS IS SUPERIOR THAN NEJI) AND IS FAST ENOUGH TO PRESSURE KAKASHI

 

[ToshiZO]

Lmao even if you want to use the databook which is broken when it comes to speed.

Asuma also has a 4.5 while Hidan has a 3.5 yet Hidan matched Asuma in a direct clash. And then he landed a blow on Asuma while dodging shadow sewing. There goes that so called databook speed stat.

 

[EZQ]

Lmao even if you want to use the databook which is broken when it comes to speed.

Asuma also has a 4.5 while Hidan has a 3.5 yet Hidan matched Asuma in a direct clash. And then he landed a blow on Asuma while dodging shadow sewing. There goes that so called databook speed stat.

That's why i think DB does not anallyze all kinds of speed. Hidan's attacks were said to be the slowest in akatsuki, and that hype automatically gives him 3.5 in speed, while his raw speed and agility are pretty amazing

 

[ToshiZO]

That's why i think DB does not anallyze all kinds of speed. Hidan's attacks were said to be the slowest in akatsuki, and that hype automatically gives him 3.5 in speed, while his raw speed and agility are pretty amazing

That scene is one of the most misinterpreted scenes. In that scene Hidan was specifically talking about his ranged attacks with his scythe. Not to mention he was being sarcastic.

It doesn't speak on his movement speed, nor his actual attack speed.

-Nii dodging his ranged scythe attack.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

-Viz scan of Hidan telling her she did well dodging that particular attack. "Well girl, you did pretty well"

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

""Hmm..Then again my attack speed is the slowest and my aim worst among akatsuki" Notice how he said aim aswell, he is talking about his ranged attacks which have to travel a distance being slow, and he has to aim it.

And to top it off he was being sarcastic "So I probably can't hit you anyway" so even though he was talking about his ranged attacks, that statement is to be taken with a grain of salt as we saw how accurate Hidan can be with his aim against Asuma as he has full control of his scythe.

 

[HENI]

Hidan wins

 

[Curse Mark]

Yes Hidan wins. Good post EZQ, but i repped you too recently.