[VS] War Arc Gaara vs. Kakuzu

[KidGamer65]

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Can I just say that Kishi made Kakuzu's death so terrible it even let Ino and Chouji down :lol both of them clearly said the feint wouldn't work on him AND WHAT HAPPENED.

Dear god these three chapters are worse than anything in the war-arc.


Anyways Kakuzu was pretty calm about the jutsu and began charging chakra for his own abilities

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Honestly believe Kakuzu never fought at full power the entire fight :lol partly because he wanted Kakashi's heart and partly because he didn't need to.


DON'T INSULT LORD KAKUZU'S IMAGE KG

He was calm because he had a way to deal with it overall. The words "I can't get hit by that" "This is the Kyuubi Jinchuuriki's power" tell me enough.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke's wings are what I had in mind but whatever :lol


Also there were bruises on Hidan that you can't explain so external damage was done fam

I'm just going to repeat what I already told you.

Yes, less than what happened to Kakashi and what happened to Kakashi wasn't even shit even though he didn't get hit by the jutsu. Proving that Hidan is more durable than Kakashi and still not proving that this jutsu is anywhere near as powerful as you people love to make it seem like it is.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

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Stan, why are you so mad? Try to understand, that Kakuzu does want you as a fan! You don't need to get emotional and defensive at every mention of his or his tier one moron of a partner's name.

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Zexion, my boy! Keep on keeping on, you crazy diamond.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You shouldn't, because it doesn't. Kakashi was extremely fatigued from that point, the guy literally stood there helplessly as the threads came out of the debris. It was Chouji who had to step in and try do something at that point, because Kakashi was exhausted. Kakashi never even attempted to target the masks at any moment in the fight, so that's not an argument. He was put on the defensive the entire fight. His Shunshin feats were the best speed feats in that fight anyways.

You can make that excuse for that grabbing Kakashi, it doenst work. The speed they were from that distance to transfer to Kakashi is the same distance speed they came out to grab Kakashi and team 10. So him looking helplessly is a good feat not the latter. Plus the fact that he said dont worry "about me, pay attention and lets stop the Mask before it gets to Kakuzu" should mean no excuses should be made in their situation.

That is war-arc Chouji, and completely besides the point. We're comparing the speed of the threads being used directly from Kakuzu's body and the masks. Conveniently, both were used linearly against the same character from nearly the same distance. It's two near perfect comparing scenarios. The masks weren't too fast for Chouji to physically react and counter, while the threads out of Kakuzu's body were. It's that simple. They do not move at the same speed. @ bold, no, you're beating around the bush. Once again, he initially reacted with his Expansion Jutsu. By that time, the masks were meters away, and Chouji still needed to be fast enough to strike at them, which he did. The same wasn't the case with the threads coming out of Kakuzu's body.

FT your comparison is not valid bro. The starting distance are literally 2 different scenario. Mask moving closer in that scenario doesn't changed the fact that it wasn't their starting distance they he had to start reacting.

 

[ToshiZO]

Stan, why are you so mad? Try to understand, that Kakuzu does want you as a fan! You don't need to get emotional and defensive at every mention of his or his tier one moron of a partner's name.



Zexion, my boy! Keep on keeping on, you crazy diamond.

Lame.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What the hell are you even talking about? Atsugai being able to damage the earth doesn't contradict point number 2 because it being able to damage the earth doesn't mean it does it as well as FRS does. Point 1 doesn't contradict Point 3 either because two blasts having the same range doesn't mean that Atsugai doesn't damage the earth, it only means it doesn't do it as well as FRS

FRS can only pulverize the range of its blast. How is Atsugai going to be anything different pulverizing the range of its own blast? Makes zero sense.

Ok, fine. The Rasengan's size is irrelevant to the argument at hand. The main point is, the explosion is that powerful because of the Rasengan and the Wind. Period. The explosion's actual content being entirely fuuton doesn't change the fact that the Rasengan in the middle is why the explosion is that powerful. Fact. Quit trying to argue against it. The wind chakra being the damaging agent doesn't change the fact that the Rasengan in the middle adds power to cause and enhance said explosion.

I concede here.

@bold: Lmao what kind of retardation is this? Kakashi had light bruises on his body. Kakuzu was incapacitated and had all his hearts except one destroyed. Tell me more about how Kakuzu and Kakashi's conditions are no different.

Yes Kakuzu wasnt able to move his body (obviously when his body network is all cut up like he was "poisoned") yet the blast force added the same amount of bruises we see on Kakashi from another wind jutsu. And I literally did stated the difference in the conditions. Kakashi didnt get hit, but Kakuzu got hit right?

Lmao wtf are you even saying? Hidan tanked Atsugai. That's a durability feat. End of story. The only way you come to the conclusion it's not is if you come into the discussion with an agenda like you fanboys love to do and start trying to make up bullshit for why your favorite's jutsu was tanked head on.

If this were any other character and they took the jutsu head on and came out relatively unharmed I wouldn't be seeing these idiotic excuses. You fanboys only try to argue because he's immortal even though his immortality lets him survive no matter what damage he takes. It doesn't change what type of damage will be dealt to him.

:lol Refresh my memory then my child.

Once again Hidan tanking Atsugai does not factor if the jutsu is weak same way you dont think FRS is weak because Kakuzu didnt get pulverize by the Gale Force of the jutsu. Its pathetic no amount of arguments will make sense when you put Hidan against any other familiar jutsu with that kind of explosive force. And when Hidan tanks are they going no be classified as weak lol?

I never made that claim. You made the claim that FRS and Atsugai are comparable in that territory and instead of proving it you are now trying to shift the burden of proof over to me because you are unable to actually support your original claim with anything that makes sense.

-You tried chakra amount, failed hard because Wind Release Rasengan is not Wind Release Rasen Shuriken.
-You tried feats, failed extremely hard because you said Kakuzu and Kakashi looked the same yet one was unable to do jack shit after getting hit by FRS while Kakashi had light damage. :lol

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Thats because my point was self explanatory, not my fault that you didnt accept my claim being backed up. When you have evidence that FRS has more chakra then Atsugai then Ill concede. In the mean time, based on those scans what FRS means is Naruto adding Shape manipulation which is why its called Wind Release Rasen Shiuken instead of Wind Release Rasengan. So literally the Shriuken adding more killing power is irrelevant and does not refute my orignal claim.

Yes, we all remember your shitty arguments son. Tell us more about how KCM Naruto's cloak is as durable as Ribcage Susanoo. Tell us more about how Gojo obliterates anything that the Juubidama can obliterate. :lol

Kakuzu was shitting his pants because of FRS's power yet somehow this fanboy has the nerve to argue Atsugai is in the same league. Hilarious.

I need to tell you more when 1 scan showing it is all I need to share lmao. No thanks Skew king, dont need to share what I never said or imply.

Lmao what idiot thinks that someone being scared of a jutsu is suppose to have relevance of another jutsu's power being superior? Oh wait. Maybe I could use that argument that FRS also means >>Kakuzu's Katon too. Hmmm

 

[Zexion~]

I'm just going to repeat what I already told you.

Yes, less than what happened to Kakashi and what happened to Kakashi wasn't even shit even though he didn't get hit by the jutsu. Proving that Hidan is more durable than Kakashi and still not proving that this jutsu is anywhere near as powerful as you people love to make it seem like it is.

Its powerful enough to take off Sasuke's wings :lol

 

[Booker]

FRS can only pulverize the range of its blast. How is Atsugai going to be anything different pulverizing the range of its own blast? Makes zero sense.

What absolute trash logic.

Just because an attack extends over a certain range doesn't mean it obliterates everything in the range. It could be stronger in the center, and then lose power as it extends outward (which is probably what Atsugai does). The reason it's not comparable to FRS is because FRS doesn't lose power from the center, it has power equally distributed throughout the attack. Hence why whenever FRS is used it creates a sphere that essentially disintegrates whatever is inside of it.

Meanwhile the borderline featless Atsugai has nothing suggesting that it equally distributes its power.

 

[Zexion~]

What absolute trash logic.

Just because an attack extends over a certain range doesn't mean it obliterates everything in the range. It could be stronger in the center, and then lose power as it extends outward (which is probably what Atsugai does). The reason it's not comparable to FRS is because FRS doesn't lose power from the center, it has power equally distributed throughout the attack. Hence why whenever FRS is used it creates a sphere that essentially disintegrates whatever is inside of it.

Meanwhile the borderline featless Atsugai has nothing suggesting that it equally distributes its power.

I second that it's stronger in the center where there is a higher quantity of extreme air (Hidan was hit with the forming of the jutsu)

 

[Booker]

I second that it's stronger in the center where there is a higher quantity of extreme air (Hidan was hit with the forming of the jutsu)

I should state that while I think Atsugai is stronger from the point of origin and then gets weaker as it extends, I also think that it's not particularly too strong even at its origin point.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What absolute trash logic.

Just because an attack extends over a certain range doesn't mean it obliterates everything in the range. It could be stronger in the center, and then lose power as it extends outward (which is probably what Atsugai does). The reason it's not comparable to FRS is because FRS doesn't lose power from the center, it has power equally distributed throughout the attack. Hence why whenever FRS is used it creates a sphere that essentially disintegrates whatever is inside of it.

Meanwhile the borderline featless Atsugai has nothing suggesting that it equally distributes its power.

You skip the premise. He already acknowledges that jutsu can indeed gouge the earth, which was stated by DB. How ever you think the power comes is irrelevant even if I were to argue your point that the power of Atsugai comes from the center of the blast. How does it change the fact that DB supports the notion that it will indeed gorge the ground with it? Measure the center of the blast hitting the ground and it still makes my point.

 

[KIDD WAVE]

I feel sorry for DrProof, his favorite character is being ruined by two people on this site. Soon Kakuzus entire arsenal is going to end up a meme.

 

[Booker]

You skip the premise. He already acknowledges that jutsu can indeed gouge the earth, which was stated by DB. How ever you think the power comes is irrelevant even if I were to argue your point that the power of Atsugai comes from the center of the blast. How does it change the fact that DB supports the notion that it will indeed gorge the ground with it? Measure the center of the blast hitting the ground and it still makes my point.

I never said it couldn't gouge the earth.

The point is that just because it can gouge the earth doesn't mean it's able to do so the entire extent of the attack. The attack can range, say, 30 meters, and only gouge the earth for the first 5.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I never said it couldn't gouge the earth.

The point is that just because it can gouge the earth doesn't mean it's able to do so the entire extent of the attack. The attack can range, say, 30 meters, and only gouge the earth for the first 5.

I can agree on that. I didnt mean to imply that the entire blast will cover the range on the ground, but pretty much any explosive range we witness hitting the ground in the manga. It is very fair to say the blast will crater half the size of the jutsu

 

[Booker]

I can agree on that. I didnt mean to imply that the entire blast will cover the range on the ground, but pretty much any explosive range we witness hitting the ground in the manga. It is very fair to say the blast will crater half the size of the jutsu

I think one of us is confused.

My point is that just because Atsugai is able to gouge the Earth, it doesn't even remotely mean it's on par with FRS. "gouging the earth" is such a ridiculous, vague, and unmeasurable standard. For instance, a hand grenade and a pound of C4 will both "gouge the earth" when set off. But a hand grenade is nowhere near the destructive capability of a pound of C4.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I think one of us is confused.

My point is that just because Atsugai is able to gouge the Earth, it doesn't even remotely mean it's on par with FRS. "gouging the earth" is such a ridiculous, vague, and unmeasurable standard. For instance, a hand grenade and a pound of C4 will both "gouge the earth" when set off. But a hand grenade is nowhere near the destructive capability of a pound of C4.

Im aware of that (And you meant C3 not C4). Which is why that wasn't the only point supporting the notion.

 

[Booker]

Im aware of that (And you meant C3 not C4). Which is why that wasn't the only point supporting the notion.

Lol hence why I didn't address any other points in your post, because this is between you and KG. I just absolutely had to address that.

 

[Zexion~]

I should state that while I think Atsugai is stronger from the point of origin and then gets weaker as it extends, I also think that it's not particularly too strong even at its origin point.

Its not FRS level ( :lol )

But its still decently strong, I mean no other fuuton created the kind of knockback his did (Team 10 and tree's were knocked away just by being near it) which means the pressure if its wind is high caliber, especially since the DB states its being used by someone with mastery of the element.

 

[KidGamer65]

FRS can only pulverize the range of its blast. How is Atsugai going to be anything different pulverizing the range of its own blast? Makes zero sense.

:lol Booker already handled this nonsense.

Yes Kakuzu wasnt able to move his body (obviously when his body network is all cut up like he was "poisoned") yet the blast force added the same amount of bruises we see on Kakashi from another wind jutsu. And I literally did stated the difference in the conditions. Kakashi didnt get hit, but Kakuzu got hit right?

The blast of FRS is what damaged his body like that. The majority of the damage not being internal doesn't matter. Kakuzu couldn't move as a result of taking FRS. That's far more damage than Kakashi took and you look silly trying to argue otherwise. Kakashi not getting hit doesn't prove your argument.

Once again Hidan tanking Atsugai does not factor if the jutsu is weak same way you dont think FRS is weak because Kakuzu didnt get pulverize by the Gale Force of the jutsu. Its pathetic no amount of arguments will make sense when you put Hidan against any other familiar jutsu with that kind of explosive force. And when Hidan tanks are they going no be classified as weak lol?

No, because FRS messed Kakuzu up and left him incapacitated regardless of his body being intact. :lol Terrible ass comparison. Stop talking about "the gale force" when the way the jutsu works is by cutting the target apart. Kakuzu's body not being disfigured doesn't change the fact that he got messed up by it and his entire body was pierced and wrecked hence his insides being messed up as blades can't damage the inside without damaging the outside.

Hidan got hit and had light bruises. :lol Stop trying to make excuses.

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Thats because my point was self explanatory, not my fault that you didnt accept my claim being backed up. When you have evidence that FRS has more chakra then Atsugai then Ill concede. In the mean time, based on those scans what FRS means is Naruto adding Shape manipulation which is why its called Wind Release Rasen Shiuken instead of Wind Release Rasengan. So literally the Shriuken adding more killing power is irrelevant and does not refute my orignal claim.

FRS and Atsugai having the same amount of chakra is self explanatory? Maybe if you are a delusional fanboy. Why would I provide evidence that FRS has more chakra than Atsugai when I don't need to disprove something that literally has no ground to stand on? You are basing FRS=Atsugai in chakra amount on Atsugai and Wind Release Rasengan clashing. :lol So stupid.

And then you cite this databook page as if it proves your point. How Naruto changes the shape and power of FRS doesn't prove a damn thing. The only question that matters is: Does FRS have more Fuuton chakra than Wind Release Rasengan?

And the answer is yes to anyone who isn't a delusional fanboy as the wind shuriken for Wind Release Rasengan is far far smaller than the one for FRS. Lmao. Hilarious that this guy is actually trying to imply that Fuuton rasengan and FRS have the same amount of wind chakra in it. And you wonder why your arguments are trash.

Naruto adds more Fuuton to Wind Release Rasengan and adds more shape manipulation and that's how it becomes FRS. :lol Jesus this guy is something else.

Lmao what idiot thinks that someone being scared of a jutsu is suppose to have relevance of another jutsu's power being superior? Oh wait. Maybe I could use that argument that FRS also means >>Kakuzu's Katon too. Hmmm

That's exactly what it means. If Kakuzu had Ninjutsu on par with the power of FRS he wouldn't be scared you twit. :lol Imagine being this delusional. Would the Gokage have shat their pants at the sight of Perfect Susanoo if they had the power to match or overpower it? No.

And strength wise Kakuzu's Katon is trash compared to FRS so I'm not sure what you thought you had going for you here. :lol

Its powerful enough to take off Sasuke's wings :lol

Yeah. I'm gonna go ahead and say no given it's lackluster feats. It'll do some damage but outright take him off?

No. :lol

 

[EZQ]

Stan, why are you so mad? Try to understand, that Kakuzu does want you as a fan! You don't need to get emotional and defensive at every mention of his or his tier one moron of a partner's name.



Zexion, my boy! Keep on keeping on, you crazy diamond.

Lmaoo that eminem quote. loved it. I don't even listen to rap but that was a good one