[VS] War Arc Gaara vs. Kakuzu
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kakuzu wins
he has the potency to get thru sand defences & the scale & variation to dictate the engagements. it'll just be a matter of time before gaaras tactile returns aren't fast enough to a blind spot or his aerial position is not deep enough during a counter & he gets walloped.
on the flip side, sand isn't much threat to kakuzu as all his masks can either fly or flatly outmaneuver it. domu is foolproof in this particular matchup as well
he has the potency to get thru sand defences & the scale & variation to dictate the engagements. it'll just be a matter of time before gaaras tactile returns aren't fast enough to a blind spot or his aerial position is not deep enough during a counter & he gets walloped.
on the flip side, sand isn't much threat to kakuzu as all his masks can either fly or flatly outmaneuver it. domu is foolproof in this particular matchup as well
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Lmfao how many times have we seen characters take damage without their clothes taking damage?
Kakuzu's clothes being in place is not comparable, we have no idea what Choji's attack would do to someone else's clothes, unless you can bring a comparison in, it's pointless to bring in other jutsu. Kakuzu's clothes were intact after FRS as well.
There was a direct comparison of what the jutsu Atsugai could do to someones clothes with Hidan and Kakashi. Kakashi didn't even get hit by it and it resulted in his clothes being torn.
The man is writing a story right here, every thing is not intended to be over analyzed by a bunch of nerds on a forum. What good would it have done to show Hidan or his clothes damaged after atsugai? The whole purpose of that scene was highlighting how Hidan and Kakuzu can use combo attacks without a drawback, if he made Hidan significantly injured it would kill the purpose of Team 10's despair in the situation. It's not that hard to understand.
I'll say this again looking at Hidan to judge an attack is THE dumbest thing you can do. How about you look at what it did to Kakashi despite Kakashi dodging it?
You people really make shit harder than it needs to be. You have one character who is immortal, and his durability is a big question mark, clearly gives you all a headache, and then you have a known character's durability.
The known character had bruises and rips despite dodging implying he would be heavily damaged if hit, yet the first thing everyone does is run to the big question mark character that is Hidan to back their stance about an attack that doesn't even focus on cutting.
If a jutsu as strong as Hirudora only put
It put a couple of scratches on Hidan, that's about it. Don't need more than that because we have Kakashi there to show us how much damage it can do.
You want to see what Atsugai can do, you look at what it did to Kakashi despite him dodging it. That simple.
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Kakuzu's clothes being in place is not comparable, we have no idea what Choji's attack would do to someone else's clothes, unless you can bring a comparison in, it's pointless to bring in other jutsu. Kakuzu's clothes were intact after FRS as well.
There was a direct comparison of what the jutsu Atsugai could do to someones clothes with Hidan and Kakashi. Kakashi didn't even get hit by it and it resulted in his clothes being torn.
The man is writing a story right here, every thing is not intended to be over analyzed by a bunch of nerds on a forum. What good would it have done to show Hidan or his clothes damaged after atsugai? The whole purpose of that scene was highlighting how Hidan and Kakuzu can use combo attacks without a drawback, if he made Hidan significantly injured it would kill the purpose of Team 10's despair in the situation. It's not that hard to understand.
I'll say this again looking at Hidan to judge an attack is THE dumbest thing you can do. How about you look at what it did to Kakashi despite Kakashi dodging it?
You people really make shit harder than it needs to be. You have one character who is immortal, and his durability is a big question mark, clearly gives you all a headache, and then you have a known character's durability.
The known character had bruises and rips despite dodging implying he would be heavily damaged if hit, yet the first thing everyone does is run to the big question mark character that is Hidan to back their stance about an attack that doesn't even focus on cutting.
If a jutsu as strong as Hirudora only put
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scratches on Kisame despite him completely taking the attack, and Kakashi from dodging atsugai had
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many scratches, then what is even the problem? Why is atsugai being questioned? It put a couple of scratches on Hidan, that's about it. Don't need more than that because we have Kakashi there to show us how much damage it can do.
You want to see what Atsugai can do, you look at what it did to Kakashi despite him dodging it. That simple.
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Yes, less than what happened to Kakashi and what happened to Kakashi wasn't even shit even though he didn't get hit by the jutsu. Proving that Hidan is more durable than Kakashi and still not proving that this jutsu is anywhere near as powerful as you people love to make it seem like it is.
I still can't figure out for the life of me why you are still arguing against this. What is even your end game? What is your overarching point? :lol
That Atsugai is a capable jutsu that won't be tanked by the worst defenses, and no I shouldn't have said the second part the bruises are not there until he falls (face first) into the dirt.
Hidan's bruises? No he got them right after atsugai.
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And that's taking into account Hidan was never facing the jutsu, his back was turned to it. So unless they can bring a clear cut panel of his back, these tards don't even have a single point to begin with.
Kakashi was facing the jutsu and look what happened to his face despite dodging. This lines up perfectly with the notion that Hidan and Kakashi are about the same when it comes to durability.
Edit: I think you were talking about shikamaru, either way nobody here has proven how Hidan is more durable than Kakashi. Meanwhile there are panels showing how Hidan's durability is normal, Atsugai never hit him from the front, so the fact that he is even bruised slightly in the face shows his durability ain't special. Kakashi was looking directly at the jutsu.
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Hidan's bruises? Maybe but they definitely weren't due to the fall.
Notice these bruises on him before he fell.
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Hidan didn't fall face first, he fell on his back.
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So there would be no reason for bruises to appear on his neck and shoulders, this is simply a zoomed in look at them.
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These bruises are from atsugai. Now take into account how Hidan had his back turned to the jutsu and he still recieved some bruises in the front, you can only imagine his back had many more bruises.
Kakashi was looking directly at the jutsu which explains why his face has much more bruises. There is no inconsistency, Hidan is not more durable than Kakashi, not by a significant enough amount to consider special.
He hit back first, no reason why he would even have scuff marks all over his face, neck and shoulders. Regardless, I just showed you a couple of panels that weren't even zoomed in, where he had those marks on his face, shoulders and arms. So he definitely had marks or whatever you want to call them before he hit the floor.
Dude not every panel is gonna have the same exact marks lmao.
This is Hidan in the exact same position, the right side of his face here.
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yet from another angle is seems like he has more on the same side
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It doesn't mean anything had to have happened.
The only thing really worth noticing is that Kishi did indeed draw marks on him before he even fell, the only thing that had hit him was atsugai, and before atsugai this is what he looked like.
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After atsugai even in the most zoomed out, smallest of panels Kishi made sure he put some marks on his face. The amount of marks changed from panel to panel, because Kishi isn't sitting there counting them, the only thing relevant is that he went out of his way to let it be known he had marks on him after atsugai, some panels were just more zoomed in and/or inconsistently drawn. It is a minor thing after all, only the main point matters.
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I mean, what are the worst defenses in this Manga anyway? The lowest tier of defense I can think of would be V1 cloaks for Jinchuuriki, but even then Atsugai doing anything serious to them is iffy and not probable, and that's the weaker cloaks with less chakra. Then we have things like Sasuke's wings, and then above it Domu, which both tank Atsugai.
So yeah, no.
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Skew expert at it once again. When you have the power to have people that love reading your rebuttals, you seize the opportunity to distort points to inaccuracy and misleading way for them to pick up and bandwagon with you.
Never said anything about AoE and never said anything about creating a larger crater.
So once again Ill break to yeah.
1. You believe the justu can gore the Earth.
2. You believe the jutsu cant make a crater relevantly the same as FRS.
3. Atsugai already scales the same range as FRS explosion.
You beliefs contradicts its self from point 1. if point 3. is true since Atsugai is only going to cover what its blast range is.
Lmao first of all that Rasengan was scale to his opponent gut, which is the normal size Naruto normally make them. Second the factor of that explosion comes from the wind chakra to begin with, stated by the DB I linked to Ben so mentioning it is irrelevant. And 3rd the comparison is coming from the feat damaged that was done. Kakuzu took it head on and his body didn't look any worst then Kakashi, who dodged Atsugai. So yes this is a fair comparison if hypothetically Kakuzu would have looked getting hit by Atsugai.
I dont need to drag the same point that ToshiZO is destroying (post #85 and down). Less writing and less work for me.
Then dont bring up a baseless point and get that through your head! Your arguing its his durability is no where shown nor stated in the manga period! na da! zero!
You were one of the followers of Edo cracks were excuses of Raikage hardly tanking Futon dont act like you dont know.
Lmao I literally went by feats and manga logic of chakra exchange. Deal with it, the point is already proven and self explained! On the other hand you made the claim that FRS has more chakra then Atsugai is your burden buddy.
The same "garbage" that was rebuttal with incoherent comparisons that was suppose change the way that was literally shown in the manga. Lol yeah I remember it.
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Lmao. If I'm not getting the gist of your argument then you need to learn to articulate your point better. :lol
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
What the hell are you even talking about? Atsugai being able to damage the earth doesn't contradict point number 2 because it being able to damage the earth doesn't mean it does it as well as FRS does. Point 1 doesn't contradict Point 3 either because two blasts having the same range doesn't mean that Atsugai doesn't damage the earth, it only means it doesn't do it as well as FRS.
Ok, fine. The Rasengan's size is irrelevant to the argument at hand. The main point is, the explosion is that powerful because of the Rasengan and the Wind. Period. The explosion's actual content being entirely fuuton doesn't change the fact that the Rasengan in the middle is why the explosion is that powerful. Fact. Quit trying to argue against it. The wind chakra being the damaging agent doesn't change the fact that the Rasengan in the middle adds power to cause and enhance said explosion.
@bold: Lmao what kind of retardation is this? Kakashi had light bruises on his body. Kakuzu was incapacitated and had all his hearts except one destroyed. Tell me more about how Kakuzu and Kakashi's conditions are no different.
Lmao w are you even saying? Hidan tanked Atsugai. That's a durability feat. End of story. The only way you come to the conclusion it's not is if you come into the discussion with an agenda like you fanboys love to do and start trying to make up bullshit for why your favorite's jutsu was tanked head on.
If this were any other character and they took the jutsu head on and came out relatively unharmed I wouldn't be seeing these idiotic excuses. You fanboys only try to argue because he's immortal even though his immortality lets him survive no matter what damage he takes. It doesn't change what type of damage will be dealt to him.
:lol Refresh my memory then my child.
I never made that claim. You made the claim that FRS and Atsugai are comparable in that territory and instead of proving it you are now trying to shift the burden of proof over to me because you are unable to actually support your original claim with anything that makes sense.
-You tried chakra amount, failed hard because Wind Release Rasengan is not Wind Release Rasen Shuriken.
-You tried feats, failed extremely hard because you said Kakuzu and Kakashi looked the same yet one was unable to do jack shit after getting hit by FRS while Kakashi had light damage. :lol
Yes, we all remember your shitty arguments son. Tell us more about how KCM Naruto's cloak is as durable as Ribcage Susanoo. Tell us more about how Gojo obliterates anything that the Juubidama can obliterate. :lol
Kakuzu was shitting his pants because of FRS's power yet somehow this fanboy has the nerve to argue Atsugai is in the same league. Hilarious.
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Can I just say that Kishi made Kakuzu's death so terrible it even let Ino and Chouji down :lol both of them clearly said the feint wouldn't work on him AND WHAT HAPPENED.
Dear god these three chapters are worse than anything in the war-arc.
Anyways Kakuzu was pretty calm about the jutsu and began charging chakra for his own abilities
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Honestly believe Kakuzu never fought at full power the entire fight :lol partly because he wanted Kakashi's heart and partly because he didn't need to.
DON'T INSULT LORD KAKUZU'S IMAGE KG