[VS] War Arc Gaara vs. Kakuzu

[KidGamer65]

So basically what you said is Kishimoto didn't draw Hidan's clothes damaged for convenience purposes?

Love a rebuttal which uses the same logic as the argument it is refuting LMAO.

You been a moron so this is an expected response from you. Give it up. Admitting that your favs aren't as strong as you thought they were isn't going to kill you.

-Kishimoto didn't draw damage on Hidan because Atsugai isn't strong enough to damage him, so it's easier to leave him unscathed. If you could read (which you can't) then you'd know that this isn't the same as your argument which is


"Kishimoto didn't draw damage on Hidan because he didn't feel like it even though Atsugai is strong enough to damage Hidan, and also Atsugai didn't leave any damage on Hidan's body because I said so and I luv the immortal duo so much"


:lol Fanboys kill me.

-Atsugai does external and internal damage.
-Hidan is not impervious to either. (Skin was burnt by Katon and he bled from the mouth after stabbing himself in the chest against Asuma)

These are all facts. Pull your head out of your ass and start using common sense kiddo.

 

[BLAZE]

Admitting that your favs aren't as strong as you thought they were isn't going to kill you.

hahahaha

 

[ToshiZO]

You been a moron so this is an expected response from you. Give it up. Admitting that your favs aren't as strong as you thought they were isn't going to kill you.

-Kishimoto didn't draw damage on Hidan because Atsugai isn't strong enough to damage him, so it's easier to leave him unscathed. If you could read (which you can't) then you'd know that this isn't the same as your argument which is


"Kishimoto didn't draw damage on Hidan because he didn't feel like it even though Atsugai is strong enough to damage Hidan, and also Atsugai didn't leave any damage on Hidan's body because I said so and I luv the immortal duo so much"


:lol Fanboys kill me.

-Atsugai does external and internal damage.
-Hidan is not impervious to either. (Skin was burnt by Katon and he bled from the mouth after stabbing himself in the chest against Asuma)

These are all facts. Pull your head out of your ass and start using common sense kiddo.

All that typing to say the exact same thing as before. Done for convenience, got it lmfaoo.

 

[Red Slayer]

:th:

 

[KidGamer65]

Facts will be facts. Fanboys gonna fanboy. Atsugai is weak. Your fav is trash. Deal with it.

 

[ToshiZO]

Facts will be facts. Fanboys gonna fanboy. Atsugai is weak. Your fav is trash. Deal with it.

True Hidan's clothes pray to Jashin and have special durability.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

You been a moron so this is an expected response from you. Give it up. Admitting that your favs aren't as strong as you thought they were isn't going to kill you.

-Kishimoto didn't draw damage on Hidan because Atsugai isn't strong enough to damage him, so it's easier to leave him unscathed. If you could read (which you can't) then you'd know that this isn't the same as your argument which is


"Kishimoto didn't draw damage on Hidan because he didn't feel like it even though Atsugai is strong enough to damage Hidan, and also Atsugai didn't leave any damage on Hidan's body because I said so and I luv the immortal duo so much"


:lol Fanboys kill me.

-Atsugai does external and internal damage.
-Hidan is not impervious to either. (Skin was burnt by Katon and he bled from the mouth after stabbing himself in the chest against Asuma)

These are all facts. Pull your head out of your ass and start using common sense kiddo.

Exactly.

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Chouji's attack should of tore Kakuzu's clothes right off, but because Domu tanked it, so did his clothes. That's how the manga works. Domu hardens Kakuzu's skin, and has nothing to do with his clothes. Just because Kakuzu took no damage, his clothes took no damage. Same thing applies with Atsugai not doing anything to Hidan. You're wasting your time by even acknowledging ToshiZo. Common sense and logical reasoning doesn't generally apply with this fanbase.

 

[Icelerate]

It should be obvious that clothes inherit the user's durability in this manga. 3rd Raikage is a perfect example unless someone thinks any type of metal armour would survive WCN or FRS even though samurai armour was being cut up by far weaker attacks like Sasuke's chidori kattana and a held back kamaitachi no jutsu.

This is done for convenience purposes because losing clothes would result in a totally naked character or it may cause people to think the character was damaged when they weren't.

 

[KidGamer65]

Exactly.

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Chouji's attack should of tore Kakuzu's clothes right off, but because Domu tanked it, so did his clothes. That's how the manga works. Domu hardens Kakuzu's skin, and has nothing to do with his clothes. Just because Kakuzu took no damage, his clothes took no damage. Same thing applies with Atsugai not doing anything to Hidan. You're wasting your time by even acknowledging ToshiZo. Common sense and logical reasoning doesn't generally apply with this fanbase.

It should be obvious that clothes inherit the user's durability in this manga. 3rd Raikage is a perfect example unless someone thinks any type of metal armour would survive WCN or FRS even though samurai armour was being cut up by far weaker attacks like Sasuke's chidori kattana and a held back kamaitachi no jutsu.

This is done for convenience purposes because losing clothes would result in a totally naked character or it may cause people to think the character was damaged when they weren't.

Preach. Lmao. These people are ridiculous. All this nonsensical argumentation to try and big up a jutsu that has no impressive feats. Smfh.

 

[KCN]

New say, same BS arguments.

Gaara slumps this fodder.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Gaara shits. I had to clown some others clowns wanking Kakuzu poo poo ass Fuuton tech and his Domu. L00l

Gaara crushes all his mask with Sand Tsunami. Fuuton tech is easily tanked by almost any defense Gaara puts up since Hidan body easily tanked it without any dis-figuration. Kakuzu speed is registered at Kakashi level which Gaara can easily overwhelm and catch and crush inb4 he can't bypass Domu...

Edit- It might be hard for him to get past Domu so all he does is sink Kakuzu to the bottom of the earth.

 

[Zexion~]

Who said Hidan is impervious to damage? I said he's unaffected by the internal damage he received as was proven by manga facts.


-Can still move his head/neck despite having it disconnected from his spine,as well as his nerves still control his body despite his spine being disconnected

-A wound that brought down Asuma literally had no effect on Hidan at all

He still suffers the injuries and they are most certainly present such as burns and the fact that he bleeds, but his body will still proceed to work regardless of how smashed his insides are as long as things are connected.


@KG I simply said his sand was shown to take damage from C1's lol it wasn't as much sand that was used to tank C3 so why you brought it up is pointless and stupid, but saying Gian couldn't take down an amount of sand such as the one C1 broke into is sketchy.

Also again its common his absolute defense is >>>>> any other sand in defensive capabilities so why you compared it to that is sketchy again.

You've switched your argument against Atsugai so many times in this thread its ridiculous so don't act like you have been debating the perfect argument either, you're one point is that there are no wounds externally on Hidan, yet you yourself can't say why but its whatever.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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Will address

Preach. Lmao. These people are ridiculous. All this nonsensical argumentation to try and big up a jutsu that has no impressive feats. Smfh.

I find it very funny who you are quoting people who are literally writing up the same damn response as Tosh gave but addressed his sarcastic remark as a point LMAO! SAD!

I don't care whether or not it can damage the Earth. No one denied that. Can it create a crater as large as the one FRS made?

No. So stop mentioning this.

You not denying that its capable of goring the Earth... But deny the fact that the pressure range and radius of Atsugai covers more or the same range blast of FRS?

They aren't equal in any measure, whether it be "gale force" or overall power. So again, stop making these dumb arguments. :lol

The issue is not the argument but you who can't comprehend the reason behind it, proven below comment ill repeat once again, but in your own words this time.

:lol It's hilarious how stupid your posts get sometimes. Shikamaru's knife>Atsugai and Chidori>Bijuu Dama are irrelevant claims that have nothing to do with what is being stated here. No one is comparing Atsugai to any jutsu here besides you trying to compare it to FRS. So why are you typing all this horseshit up?

-Atsugai didn't do shit to Hidan.
-Thus it's not doing a thing to Gaara's Sand.
-Thus it's not an amazing jutsu like fanboys try to make it.

And no, Kakashi being as durable as Hidan is based on nothing just like 99% of the things you type.

Here we go once again. Atsugai not doing anything to Hidan is once again irrelevant to someone who is doesnt show something like huge piercing leaving any mark on his body as they were never there. But some how getting punched by wind is suppose to somehow leave mark "to prove if the tech is powerful or not". Despite the manga specifically stating that it was his immortality that makes him immune to it not his durability Lmao. This is literally the same argument we had concerning 3rd Raikage durability against Futon. I'm just waiting for you to finally turned on your brain to accept that your argument doesnt hold just like then.

Lmao. I could type at least 2 paragraphs on why this argument is dumb. The most glaring flaw in your nonsense argument is that Wind Release Rasengan is not Rasen Shuriken. The latter is far stronger than the other with far more wind chakra so how in the hell are you comparing FRS's change in chakra nature to Atsugai's? :lol

If anything your nonsense comparison would show that Kakuzu's Fuuton=Wind Release Rasengan which is nowhere near FRS when it comes to the amount of Fuuton chakra.

Lmao. Please spare me the crap on what you were about to bestow, like it was suppose to make sense. The most glaring flaw in your nonsense rebuttal is thinking "Changed in Nature Futon" is Atsugai. The latter is far stronger than the other with far more wind chakra so how hell you think Atsugai was actually used is beyond me. And seriously proving the lack of knowledge you have with the technique.

The only thing funny about that sig is how stupid it sounds. (Imagine actually thinking KCM Naruto's body is as durable as Susanoo) Don't try to make excuses now sonny boy.

Yea so stupid when the manga scan outright showed it. While you make your excuses/ reading between lines on how you dont think Obito swapping them simultaneously, with the same attack was done differently to the latter. Yeah no excuses little kid.

 

[KidGamer65]

Who said Hidan is impervious to damage? I said he's unaffected by the internal damage he received as was proven by manga facts.


-Can still move his head/neck despite having it disconnected from his spine,as well as his nerves still control his body despite his spine being disconnected

-A wound that brought down Asuma literally had no effect on Hidan at all

He still suffers the injuries and they are most certainly present such as burns and the fact that he bleeds, but his body will still proceed to work regardless of how smashed his insides are as long as things are connected.

:lol Then wtf are you even trying to argue here in this thread? If you agree that Hidan still suffers the internal and external injuries then you don't have a point. It failed to do anything serious to Hidan.

@KG I simply said his sand was shown to take damage from C1's lol it wasn't as much sand that was used to tank C3 so why you brought it up is pointless and stupid, but saying Gian couldn't take down an amount of sand such as the one C1 broke into is sketchy.

Also again its common his absolute defense is >>>>> any other sand in defensive capabilities so why you compared it to that is sketchy again.

You've switched your argument against Atsugai so many times in this thread its ridiculous so don't act like you have been debating the perfect argument either, you're one point is that there are no wounds externally on Hidan, yet you yourself can't say why but its whatever.

And I just addressed this. If you weren't busy dodging the points to try and make Kakuzu look better than he was, you'd realize that my post and the Manga show and state that Deidara had to get C1 inside the sand dome before he could do anything.

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Tell me more about how C1 broke into Gaara's sand pal. Nowhere in the Manga is there a page that reflects your claim. Again. c1 can't do a damn thing to Gaara's Sand which is why Deidara mixed c1 into the sand, and then when the sand rejoined with the dome the C1 entered the dome and blew Gaara up directly. :lol

C1 inside the sand dome blowing up Gaara literally has jack to do with any claims like "couldn't tank C1 so Gian rips through it". So stop.

Holy shit cut this out. My argument has been the same from my first post. Atsugai isn't shit because it failed to damage Hidan. You guys keep on moaning about his immortal body and no damage meaning nothing and all I've been doing for the past 3-4 posts is repeating the same thing over and over again. There is only one point I've been making that you people can't seem to accept. Hidan had no external damage thus your boy's jutsu isn't all that. "Why" is irrelevant. "Why" doesn't change a thing.

Is it this hard to admit you are wrong when it comes to the immortal duo? I mean, come on now.

You not denying that its capable of goring the Earth... But deny the fact that the pressure range and radius of Atsugai covers more or the same range blast of FRS?

And since when did Atsugai having more AoE mean that it'd create a larger crater? :lol Oh wait, that's you wanking off to Kakuzu's Ninjutsu again. Your argument is trash. Even if I were to agree to something as baseless as FRS and Atsugai have the same amount of Fuuton chakra, how the fuck are you drawing a comparison between Atsugai and FRS when FRS's explosion and power comes from the wind chakra and the giant ass Rasengan in the middle of it? :lol

Cut this stupid shit out. As usual when you post you aren't coherent and you don't make sense.

The issue is not the argument but you who can't comprehend the reason behind it, proven below comment ill repeat once again, but in your own words this time.

Everyone in this thread has understood your argument. The only issue is that it's dumb.

Here we go once again. Atsugai not doing anything to Hidan is once again irrelevant to someone who is doesnt show something like huge piercing leaving any mark on his body as they were never there. But some how getting punched by wind is suppose to somehow leave mark "to prove if the tech is powerful or not". Despite the manga specifically stating that it was his immortality that makes him immune to it not his durability Lmao. This is literally the same argument we had concerning 3rd Raikage durability against Futon. I'm just waiting for you to finally turned on your brain to accept that your argument doesnt hold just like then.

Does Hidan's body take damage. Yes. End of story. What do you think you can pull here kiddo? :lol If Atsugai weren't a weak ass jutsu it would've dealt damage to Hidan. Hidan has shown to receive bruises and burns. Whether they heal or not is irrelevant dumbass. Hidan was shown to bleed from the mouth after a stab to the chest. That's internal damage. :lol So tell me more about how Atsugai can do nothing to Hidan, but still be as strong as you think he is?

I'll wait. The Manga stated that his immortality is why he survives. Immortality and durability are not the same thing. Get that through your head son. And what argument about the 3rd Raikage's durability against Fuuton? :lol

Lmao. Please spare me the crap on what you were about to bestow, like it was suppose to make sense. The most glaring flaw in your nonsense rebuttal is thinking "Changed in Nature Futon" is Atsugai. The latter is far stronger than the other with far more wind chakra so how hell you think Atsugai was actually used is beyond me. And seriously proving the lack of knowledge you have with the technique.

So basically you have no argument then. 4-5 paragraphs and you've yet to actually prove your point. Get me proof that Atsugai's wind chakra amount equals FRS's or don't bother replying because at this point you are just trying to drag an argument that you can't actually support. :lol Moronic.

EjBlack's argument: "Kakuzu's Fuuton=Wind Release Rasengan in wind chakra amount, thus Atsugai=FRS in wind chakra amount" even though the latter is based on nothing and the former isn't evidence. Though I fully expect more idiotic speculations on the case instead of real logic.

Yea so stupid when the manga scan outright showed it. While you make your excuses/ reading between lines on how you dont think Obito swapping them simultaneously, with the same attack was done differently to the latter. Yeah no excuses little kid.

You've been an asinine twit from day 1 so I'm not surprised you are still spewing this garbage that Apex and I already countered.

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[Zexion~]

:lol Then wtf are you even trying to argue here in this thread? If you agree that Hidan still suffers the internal and external injuries then you don't have a point. It failed to do anything serious to Hidan.




And I just addressed this. If you weren't busy dodging the points to try and make Kakuzu look better than he was, you'd realize that my post and the Manga show and state that Deidara had to get C1 inside the sand dome before he could do anything.

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Tell me more about how C1 broke into Gaara's sand pal. Nowhere in the Manga is there a page that reflects your claim. Again. c1 can't do a damn thing to Gaara's Sand which is why Deidara mixed c1 into the sand, and then when the sand rejoined with the dome the C1 entered the dome and blew Gaara up directly. :lol

C1 inside the sand dome blowing up Gaara literally has jack to do with any claims like "couldn't tank C1 so Gian rips through it". So stop.

Holy shit cut this out. My argument has been the same from my first post. Atsugai isn't shit because it failed to damage Hidan. You guys keep on moaning about his immortal body and no damage meaning nothing and all I've been doing for the past 3-4 posts is repeating the same thing over and over again. There is only one point I've been making that you people can't seem to accept. Hidan had no external damage thus your boy's jutsu isn't all that. "Why" is irrelevant. "Why" doesn't change a thing.

Is it this hard to admit you are wrong when it comes to the immortal duo? I mean, come on now.



And since when did Atsugai having more AoE mean that it'd create a larger crater? :lol Oh wait, that's you wanking off to Kakuzu's Ninjutsu again. Your argument is trash. Even if I were to agree to something as baseless as FRS and Atsugai have the same amount of Fuuton chakra, how the fuck are you drawing a comparison between Atsugai and FRS when FRS's explosion and power comes from the wind chakra and the giant ass Rasengan in the middle of it? :lol

Cut this stupid shit out. As usual when you post you aren't coherent and you don't make sense.




Everyone in this thread has understood your argument. The only issue is that it's dumb.



Does Hidan's body take damage. Yes. End of story. What do you think you can pull here kiddo? :lol If Atsugai weren't a weak ass jutsu it would've dealt damage to Hidan. Hidan has shown to receive bruises and burns. Whether they heal or not is irrelevant dumbass. Hidan was shown to bleed from the mouth after a stab to the chest. That's internal damage. :lol So tell me more about how Atsugai can do nothing to Hidan, but still be as strong as you think he is?

I'll wait. The Manga stated that his immortality is why he survives. Immortality and durability are not the same thing. Get that through your head son. And what argument about the 3rd Raikage's durability against Fuuton? :lol






So basically you have no argument then. 4-5 paragraphs and you've yet to actually prove your point. Get me proof that Atsugai's wind chakra amount equals FRS's or don't bother replying because at this point you are just trying to drag an argument that you can't actually support. :lol Moronic.

EjBlack's argument: "Kakuzu's Fuuton=Wind Release Rasengan in wind chakra amount, thus Atsugai=FRS in wind chakra amount" even though the latter is based on nothing and the former isn't evidence. Though I fully expect more idiotic speculations on the case instead of real logic.




You've been an asinine twit from day 1 so I'm not surprised you are still spewing this garbage that Apex and I already countered.

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KG that means if he took internal damage we couldn't tell

You right about the Gaara thing I read it wrong :lol I thought he blew up the arms with C1

 

[KidGamer65]

KG that means if he took internal damage we couldn't tell

No. It doesn't. I've addressed this a trillion times already. He took no external damage. Why would he take internal damage? Or rather why would he take any serious internal damage? That's why this claim you guys keep making doesn't make any sense. You are insinuating that Atsugai can hit someone and wreck their insides with their outside looking just as it was before they got hit. That's nonsense.

Then we have the fact that he does take internal damage, so either the jutsu did nothing serious (like when he stabbed himself or like how Madara was coughing up blood from getting hit by Evening Elephant [Even though EE left bruises on his body]) or did nothing at all.

 

[Zexion~]

No. It doesn't. I've addressed this a trillion times already. He took no external damage. Why would he take internal damage? Or rather why would he take any serious internal damage? That's why this claim you guys keep making doesn't make any sense. You are insinuating that Atsugai can hit someone and wreck their insides with their outside looking just as it was before they got hit. That's nonsense.

Then we have the fact that he does take internal damage, so either the jutsu did nothing serious (like when he stabbed himself or like how Madara was coughing up blood from getting hit by Evening Elephant [Even though EE left bruises on his body]) or did nothing at all.

Bruh Kakashi and Kakuzu showed wounds from the outside blast though and HIDAN HAS NO DURABILITY BOOST it just makes no sense

You can take internal damage without external showing, coughing up blood isn't external wounds fam

 

[KidGamer65]

Bruh Kakashi and Kakuzu showed wounds from the outside blast though and HIDAN HAS NO DURABILITY BOOST it just makes no sense

You can take internal damage without external showing, coughing up blood isn't external wounds fam

Kakuzu? What? Atsugai? Never. Kakashi? Sure. Bold is also based on literally nothing. Where are you getting this stuff from?

-Atsugai didn't hit Kakashi yet he was damaged a bit.
-Atsugai hit Hidan head on yet he took no damage at all.
-Meaning Hidan is durable enough to take Atsugai.

It's literally as simple as that. It stops being simple when you start assuming that Hidan is as durable as Kakashi is.

Who said it was? :lol I specifically said it's internal. More than once. And you've yet to show that the underlined is true. The only way you take internal damage without any external damage being shown is if the damage is low. That's it.

 

[Zexion~]

Kakuzu? What? Atsugai? Never. Kakashi? Sure. Bold is also based on literally nothing. Where are you getting this stuff from?

-Atsugai didn't hit Kakashi yet he was damaged a bit.
-Atsugai hit Hidan head on yet he took no damage at all.
-Meaning Hidan is durable enough to take Atsugai.

It's literally as simple as that. It stops being simple when you start assuming that Hidan is as durable as Kakashi is.

Who said it was? :lol I specifically said it's internal. More than once. And you've yet to show that the underlined is true. The only way you take internal damage without any external damage being shown is if the damage is low. That's it.

Didn't meant to say Kakuzu no Idea why I did.....

Bruh, Hidan was stabbing himself with his stick and scythe perfectly normal, what would give him the durability boost?

Hidan also got bruised from falling on the ground

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so I mean.....is Atsugai really worse than that?

 

[KidGamer65]

Didn't meant to say Kakuzu no Idea why I did.....

Bruh, Hidan was stabbing himself with his stick and scythe perfectly normal, what would give him the durability boost?

Hidan also got bruised from falling on the ground

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so I mean.....is Atsugai really worse than that?

How does him being able to be stabbed mean that he's not more durable than Kakashi?

Not sure how you came to the conclusion that those are bruises when he didn't even fall on the areas where the supposed bruises are shown.