Shutup. Are we really arguing for the Sasuke who lost to lee? VOTE 1 Sasuke > CE2 Sasuke > That Sasuke. Vote 1 Sasuke speed and evasive movements shits on whatever Kidomaru did to Neji he was only dodging hidden projectiles that not impressive what physical speed does Neji have over VOTE Sasuke? Im talking about movement speed VOTE 1 Naruto was dodged read and destroyed with no problem it was child's play for Sasuke, That Naruto is physically faster than Neji. Sasuke dodged KN1 Naruto Shunshin and dodged his initial chakra arm attack that alone shits on Neji striking speed you cannot even hold a candle to it. Rapid style? Stop only rapid movement he has his the trigrams which a jump plus katon counters so its moot.
I shouldn't have to address this, but I used the Sasuke vs. Lee battle as an example to support that the Sharingan isn't a magical tool and the user's ability to react to attacks is still dependent on his physical speed. With that being said, you can't disregard Kidoumaru's projectiles that Neji evaded. They were merely centimeters part at most and Neji evaded dozens of them despite the lack of time needed to even evade his attacks:
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Movement speed is irrelevant here when movement speed isn't even used in close-combat to begin with. Sasuke reacting to KN0 Naruto and KN1 Naruto is a representation of his ability to react to an opponent with a reckless fighting style, one who merely throws punches and kicks one at a time. It's not comparable to that of a Taijutsu expert such as Neji, so I would stop using that example altogether.
Neji's rapid-fire taijutsu was seen against Hinata which gives us a visual representation of how Kishimoto wanted to depict the technique and it falls in line with how Lee needed speeds upwards of what the 3rd Gates provided him to nullify any attempt Neji made in tagging him.
Overrating him per usual especially against Sasuke who dodged a much faster and stronger oppoent from close range who Shunshin right behind him. Neji emitting chakra from his body is only the body blow which he is not doing in mid combat never have and never did so mentioning it is pointless. What offensive advantage does he have? his striking speed which is moot because he is dodged Sasuke has more than taijutsu on his offense he has Chidori and katon which will ruin Neji. Not even close Sasuke will read Neji like a book and give him that Naruto treatment.
I've already addressed this, but simply having higher speed isn't enough to combat the Sharingan if it's accompanied by a poor and reckless style of taijutsu. This is why we're constantly given emphasis on the Sharingan's ability to react to speedy, but linear targets because the Sharingan is equipped into handling these situations. When we're shown instances such as Bee vs. Sasuke or Lee vs. Sasuke, we're given a direct representation that the Sharingan simply cannot keep up with these movements effectively and he'd need to have the necessary speed in order to maneuver around their rapid-style taijutsu.
The Sharingan was essentially well-equipped into handling KN0/KN1 Naruto's speed, but Neji's an entirely different fighter, with a more refined fighting style that does involve executing attacks in rapid-succession.
Neji's capable of emitting chakra through his body to nullify attacks if need be. It's essentially a portion of Kaiten that's used to negate the force behind attacks altogether and Neji's shown the ability to use it in response to close-range attacks.
Naruto was capable of defending Sasuke's Taijutsu?
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Naruto could not even properly react and was forced into using his 1 tail which movement and striking speed shits on Neji and even then Sasuke could dodge him. The chakra arms is what gave Naruto the edge on him. What are you even talking about with the latter of your post.
I was referring to this instance where despite Sasuke's advantage in speed, he couldn't overwhelm Naruto who possessed mediocre taijutsu. His Taijutsu didn't improve from the Sound 4's Pill and his speed didn't increase to the standard necessary to contend with Neji, so he's simply not overpowering Neji in taijutsu.
Neji's inferior movement speed is irrelevant for aforementioned reasons and Naruto's superior strike speed is useless when he doesn't perform multiple attacks in succession to begin with. Simply throwing punches or kicks one at a time isn't effective at all against a Sharingan user, but fortunately, this isn't something that Neji needs to worry about.
As for your counter on why Chidori cannot pierce rotation it's baseless Rotation was comparable to Gaara's sand shell defense CE2 Sasuke pierced CE Gaara's strongest defense at the time sand dome which was not even shown so it must have been the latter VOTE 1 Sasuke chidori >> CE2 Sasuke Chidori also whats Rotation best defensive feat? Kunai? Child stop it gets shanked right through. Jumping out then uses katon is possible we've seen Itachi do against Killebee Neji is not a speedy combatant not at least to Sasuke.
Neji's Kaiten and Gaara's Defense are entirely different with Kaiten being more equipped to nullifying the force behind ninjutsu through its rotational force that's capable of repelling chakra. I wasn't justifying why Chidori can't penetrate through it, but your claim is practically baseless and the example you've provided is rather poor.
The issue with that argument is that Itachi has one of the most proficient ninja in the manga in terms of using hand seals and his experience in forming hand seals in general not only allows him faster execution of hand seals, but also enables him to use less seals for each technique. Sasuke doesn't have that level of hand seal speed and still requires multiple seals to use Katon, so while using Itachi's more than capable of executing Katon at close-range, Sasuke isn't for these aforementioned reasons.
I shouldn't have to address this, but I used the Sasuke vs. Lee battle as an example to support that the Sharingan isn't a magical tool and the user's ability to react to attacks is still dependent on his physical speed. With that being said, you can't disregard Kidoumaru's projectiles that Neji evaded. They were merely centimeters part, if not, even less, and Neji evaded dozens of them despite the lack of time needed to even evade his attacks:
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Movement speed is irrelevant here when movement speed isn't even used in close-combat to begin with. Sasuke reacting to KN0 Naruto and KN1 Naruto is a representation of his ability to react to an opponent with a reckless fighting style, one who merely throws punches and kicks one at a time. It's not comparable to that of a Taijutsu expert such as Neji, so I would stop using that example altogether.
But your point is moot when Sasuke is faster than Neji physically, The moment he matched Lee's speed he would take a dump lee in taijutsu. Scan would have been much more impressive if Neji was not all stabbed up so, Neji was all jabbed up so that's not even a good or decent evasive feat. Dodging projectiles are much easy because they're going in one set direction and they're linear while a fight and or arm can curve or turn to hit you. Except a much weaker Naruto ended Neji with his reckless fighting style also forced him into rotation several times so your point hols no merit also because someone is reckless you take away the fighting prowess? No Not when Naruto is much faster and stronger than Neji so his so called precision means nothing. Movement does not matter in cqc? stop how do you dodge if your movement speed is irrelevant? you sound silly.
Neji's rapid-fire taijutsu was seen against Hinata which gives us a visual representation of how Kishimoto wanted to depict the technique and it falls in line with how Lee needed speeds upwards of what the 3rd Gates provided him to nullify any attempt Neji made in tagging him.
Stop his only rapid fire taijutsu is his trigrams nothing else Hinata is much to of an unreliable source because she's much slower than Sasuke and not even had the movement and pre-cog he has irrelevant post is irrelevant. Because lee only can use taijutsu while Sasuke has a plethora of offense to offer then Add the speed is not nessarcry to beat Neji look at Naruto, VOTE Sasuke is also faster than that lee (Not counting gates) with a 3 tomoe so using him as an example is yet again another fail. Your reaching it was never stated he needed gates to dodge Neji it was said he needed the gates to beat neji your a fool.
I've already addressed this, but simply having higher speed isn't enough to combat the Sharingan if it's accompanied by a poor and reckless style of taijutsu. This is why we're constantly given emphasis on the Sharingan's ability to react to speedy, but linear targets because the Sharingan is equipped into handling these situations. When we're shown instances such as Bee vs. Sasuke or Lee vs. Sasuke, we're given a direct representation that the Sharingan simply cannot keep up with these movements effectively and he'd need to have the necessary speed in order to maneuver around their rapid-style taijutsu.
Guess your making up shit as you go along now. Never implied that Sharingan cannot counter a non reckless fighter lol. Sasuke lost to bee because he cannot read weapons only movements with limbs and ligaments. He lost to Rock lee because of his physical body being to slow not because he was skilled in taijutsu you replace CE2 Sasuke with the one that fought rock lee who is not a reckless fighter lol Sasuke would own him because he can read and destroy him simple as that. Rapid style taijutsu stop making bs up boy no such thing Neji is not even a rapid raijutsu fighter outside of trigrams.
The Sharingan was essentially well-equipped into handling KN0/KN1 Naruto's speed, but Neji's an entirely different fighter, with a more refined fighting style that does involve executing attacks in rapid-succession.
-sigh- enough with the bs lol Neji fighting style is not even that he is a slowed countered active fighter not a complete offense intense rapid fighting style that you claim get out of here.
Neji's capable of emitting chakra through his body to nullify attacks if need be. It's essentially a portion of Kaiten that's used to negate the force behind attacks altogether and Neji's shown the ability to use it in response to close-range attacks.
i was referring to this instance where despite Sasuke's advantage in speed, he couldn't overwhelm Naruto who possessed mediocre taijutsu. His Taijutsu didn't improve from the Sound 4's Pill and his speed didn't increase to the standard necessary to contend with Neji, so he's simply not overpowering Neji in taijutsu.
Sasuke grabbed his hands meaning he's the one that countered him in cqc not the other way around and Naruto here is much stronger than he was at CE2 so obviously Naruto speed is much better here than it was there. A scan later Sasuke was bodying them
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. What is the nessacry? for fighting neji lol. Sasuke at VOTE was dodging 1 tailed Naruto and and absolutely destroyed KN0 Naruto a far better taijutsu feat than what Neji was shown considering Not even KN0 defeated Neji.
Neji's inferior movement speed is irrelevant for aforementioned reasons and Naruto's superior strike speed is useless when he doesn't perform multiple attacks in succession to begin with. Simply throwing punches or kicks one at a time isn't effective at all against a Sharingan user, but fortunately, this isn't something that Neji needs to worry about.
Still with the nonsense lol punches or strikes and succession means nothing when they're much slower than the 1 singular punch or kick and no they're we'rent at a time everytime Sasuke dodges and he jumped back forces Naruto to run back at him. Naruto does throw barrages of attacks
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this is all underwater showing his striking speed and speed is no joke period. Neji has to worry about everything especially with the evidence i just proved.
Neji's Kaiten and Gaara's Defense are entirely different with Kaiten being more equipped to nullifying the force behind ninjutsu through its rotational force that's capable of repelling chakra. I wasn't justifying why Chidori can't penetrate through it, but your claim is practically baseless and the example you've provided is rather poor.
Works different to projectiles attack not a running jab like chiodori, Once again Rotation has never nullified Ninjutsu the spinning force just propelled it back also the only thing it has repelled was kunai or projectiles like i said to neosmith an attack with force exerted behind it has never failed against rotation and its not churning Sasuke up like it does kunai and tossing him out so it does not matter. Not once repelled a chakra because it was chakra baseless point. Your expo was piss poor.
The issue with that argument is that Itachi has one of the most proficient ninja in the manga in terms of using hand seals and his experience in forming hand seals in general not only allows him faster execution of hand seals, but also enables him to use less seals for each technique. Sasuke doesn't have that level of hand seal speed and still requires multiple seals to use Katon, so while using Itachi's more than capable of executing Katon at close-range, Sasuke isn't for these aforementioned reasons.
Not the point of my post basically It is possible to use katon in a close range scenario against quick striking speed opponents. All that nonsense about Itachi goes out the window since Sasuke matched him evenly in katon so moot point.
-sigh- enough with the bs lol Neji fighting style is not even that he is a slowed countered active fighter not a complete offense intense rapid fighting style that you claim get out of here.
Neji fights by using rapid moves in correlation to reacting and countering the enemies Taijutsu. He blocks tenketsu after making physical contact with the enemy and his style is to defend and/or evade while simultaneously launching quick jabs and glances with this being the reason why Kakashi and everyone was so amazed by his precision even in the heat of battle.
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Neji's fighting STYLE is all about waiting until the enemy attacks him to which he then counters , he defends then blocks tenketsu in the arms/legs or watever body part the enemy uses to attack him which is why Gai/Kishi portrayed that as the reason why Lee's "Greatest Enemy" was Neji.
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Lee needed 5 Gates + untouchable combo of Ura renge in order to prevent Neji from doing this to him.
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-Even tho Lee had the 1st Gate which gave him the ability to perform multiple repeated super speed Taijutsu in a flash , Prelims Neji could still comfortably beat him even when Lee is weightless.
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Sasuke has no way to outperform Neji's Taijutsu LOL and his precog is meaningless due to Neji's patient and non Linear fighting style along with Sasuke's Taijutsu being identical to Lee's which Neji is extremely familiar with not to mention Sasuke's combat speed isn't superior to 1st Gated Weightless Lee unless he uses it himself AND Prelims Neji would have no problems with that level of speed so SRA Neji would literally have no problem at all dealing with him in CQC LOL.
-Then considering that Neji can block a physical hit , then instantly channel chakra into watever body part Sasuke uses to attack him by utilizing full tenketsu control to insert chakra just from the simple fact of them making physical contact , not to mention he can easily follow up after a successful Block with a simple jab to Sasuke's chest which is much easier , faster and more versatile than normal attacks so its a closed case that Neji stomps the crap outa Sasuke to the non bias.
Fool , Neji can easily use Chakra cocoon in CQC since he doesn't need to spin at all and nobody said anything about "Body Blow" , obviously u cant even fathom the differences as usual SMH.
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Neji does not need to spin in order for the emitted power of his Chakra cocoon to Block physical attacks meaning he doesn't need 'Body Blow" or 'Kaiten" to comfortably surprise and neg Sasuke in CQC , he can also expand his Chakra Cocoon widely without needing to spin but thats not needed anyway , just a side note.
Once again Rotation has never nullified Ninjutsu the spinning force just propelled it back also the only thing it has repelled was kunai or projectiles like i said to neosmith an attack with force exerted behind it has never failed against rotation and its not churning Sasuke up like it does kunai and tossing him out so it does not matter. Not once repelled a chakra because it was chakra baseless point. Your expo was piss poor.
Neji's "Kaiten" is a "Technique" that 'Knocks away and reflects the opponents chakra back at them , this was noted after the technique's basic functions were already noted and understood , To make it worse this was noted directly after Neji was confronted by a forceful attack made of Kurama's raw chakra with Kaiten being successful in accomplishing exactly wat Kishi/Tenten said it was capable of doing and that was to knock away all of Naruto's external Chakra.
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-Also CM1 Sasuke would not be able to safely enter CQC with Neji as he needed to use quick diversions and execution to safely do so with Base Naruto and bypass his reactions while Naruto wasn't even trying to fight back at all , didn't have his head in the fight , and was still shown reacting to his Combat speed even after getting tossed around.
in what world did naruto react to his combat speed? all i see is him getting stomped. naruto couldnt react at all seen when he was blized the first time with sasukes kicked him. the other stuffs you mentioned are just bad excuses from what i can see
in what world did naruto react to his combat speed? all i see is him getting stomped. naruto couldnt react at all seen when he was blized the first time with sasukes kicked him. and when did cm1 sasuke need diversions to engage naruto in cqc? what??the other stuffs you mentioned are just bad excuses from what i can see
He blitzed Naruto and kicked him because of the diversion's and quick executions he used via Katon which was used to shift Naruto's Los + quick execution of shunshin to exploit that interval.
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Sasuke said it himself..
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Naruto was able to turn around fast enough and block Sasuke's combat speed before getting decked , while at the same time Naruto was crying and didn't have his focus or head in the game at all.
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-Obviously Naruto was getting stomped by CM1 Sasuke in combat but thats besides the point and if u think my points are bad excuses then ur gonna have to state why.
-Also my point about CM1 Sasuke not being able to safely confront Naruto in CQC was in regards to him trying to Chidori-blitz without Naruto being able to react with Rasengan to combat it , so he needed the diversions , CM and quick execution in order to surely hit Naruto with a clean Chidori and this is based on wat i read in the manga so i'll be waiting to see wats ur opinion on the matter.
[=neosmith500;20869493]He blitzed Naruto and kicked him because of the diversion's and quick executions he used via Katon which was used to shift Naruto's Los + quick execution of shunshin to exploit that interval.
you said sasuke needed diversions to safely engage naruto in cqc which is false as sasuke himself said he needed to do that so as to land chidori effectively since if he just uses it in the normal naruto would always counter with rasengan. this doesnt correlate with your point
-Also CM1 Sasuke would not be able to safely enter CQC with Neji as he needed to use quick diversions and execution to safely do so with Base Naruto and bypass his reactions while Naruto wasn't even trying to fight back at all , didn't have his head in the fight , and was still shown reacting to his Combat speed even after getting tossed around.
especially as base no sharingan sasuke was shown to confront naruto and deck him
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so why would cm1 2t sasuke need diversions to do that? it was in regards to landing chidori only.
Naruto was able to turn around fast enough and block Sasuke's combat speed before getting decked , while at the same time Naruto was crying and didn't have his focus or head in the game at all.
the best he could do was attempt to block before getting decked literally a second after. this is anything noteworthy to bring up that would help your point. and besides this is 2t sasuke, 3t sasuke can smack kno before the latter can do anything showing the reaction boost he gets from reading movements can allow him at least do better than 2t sasuke against neji in cqc which i believe was the point of the person you quoted who said sasuke should start with 3t and use cm1 to engage neji. you brought up 2t cm1 to counter when he said 3t and cm1. his body speed remains the same but his reaction speed would be better due to 3t so its worth mentioning
-Obviously Naruto was getting stomped by CM1 Sasuke in combat but thats besides the point and if u think my points are bad excuses then ur gonna have to state why.
because manga shows the main reason for him getting stomped was because he couldnt keep up as sasuke was under a boost from cm and not because naruto was thinking and having thoughts or his head not here like you were trying to imply. he entered kno because he couldnt keep up, hence why i thought excuse is not valid. nothing would have changed even if naruto wasnt thinking.
-Also my point about CM1 Sasuke not being able to safely confront Naruto in CQC was in regards to him trying to Chidori-blitz without Naruto being able to react with Rasengan to combat it , so he needed the diversions , CM and quick execution in order to surely hit Naruto with a clean Chidori and this is based on wat i read in the manga so i'll be waiting to see wats ur opinion on the matter.
bold is not what you said initially though. well at least i saw as you meaning sasuke needs diversions to confront naruto in pure cqc no ninjutsu which is what chidori is. if thats what you meant then yes i agree, my bad.
bold is not what you said initially though. well at least i saw as you meaning sasuke needs diversions to confront naruto in pure cqc no ninjutsu which is what chidori is. if thats what you meant then yes i agree, my bad.
That was basically wat i meant from the start , CM1 Sasuke cant simply prep chidori and speed blitz Base Naruto with it without Naruto being able to react and stalemate it with Rasengan so he sure as hell aint doing it to SRA Neji , but i can see why u got it twisted so my bad too..
the best he could do was attempt to block before getting decked literally a second after. this is anything noteworthy to bring up that would help your point. and besides this is 2t sasuke, 3t sasuke can smack kno before the latter can do anything showing the reaction boost he gets from reading movements can allow him at least do better than 2t sasuke against neji in cqc which i believe was the point of the person you quoted who said sasuke should start with 3t and use cm1 to engage neji. you brought up 2t cm1 to counter when he said 3t and cm1. his body speed remains the same but his reaction speed would be better due to 3t so its worth mentioning
Naruto didn't attempt to Block , he literally did block but was outperformed after by CM1 Sasuke's combat speed and Taijutsu.
-3T would hardly help Sasuke against Neji because even when he reads Neji's moves he wont comfortably react to them as he did with KN0 since Neji isn't launching linear attacks at him but will instead counter Sasuke's movements when he makes them which makes it impossible for Sasuke to unite offensive timing like he did against Kn0 since he's already on the offensive himself.
That was basically wat i meant from the start , CM1 Sasuke cant simply speed blitz Base Naruto with chidori without Naruto being able to react and stalemate it with Rasengan so he sure as hell aint doing it to SRA Neji , but i can see why u got it twisted so my bad too..
Naruto didn't attempt to Block , he literally did block but was outperformed after by CM1 Sasuke's combat speed and Taijutsu.
-3T would hardly help Sasuke against Neji because even when he reads Neji's moves he wont comfortably react to them as he did with KN0 since Neji isn't launching linear attacks at him but will instead counter Sasuke's movements which makes it impossible for Sasuke to unite offensive timing like he did against Kn0 since he's already on the offensive.
yes i agree. i am very much aware of the contrasting styles between neji and kno. if sasuke wants to beat him, he would need diversions. cqc against neji wont be a wise option.
lol how did you come about the image? really badass
yes i agree. i am very much aware of the contrasting styles between neji and kno. if sasuke wants to beat him, he would need diversions. cqc against neji wont be a wise option.
lol how did you come about the image? really badass
He doesn't need to touch him unless u think all his abilities are ntn but Taijutsu , he can be good support with his doton and Neji can support him by stomping Sasuke if he attempts to use Chidori on him not to mention he can erect Earth walls to hinder Sasuke followed by Neji dealing with him.
He doesn't need to touch him unless u think all his abilities are ntn but Taijutsu , he can be good support with his doton and Neji can support him by stomping Sasuke if he attempts to use Chidori on him not to mention he can erect Earth walls to hinder Sasuke followed by Neji dealing with him.
-How does Sasuke solo again??
Sasuke speed alone would put Neji on high alert. Part 1 Neji never defeated someone as fast as cm1 Sasuke. Senjutsu inhanced Chidori does infact beats Neji main line of defense which is rotation. Jirobo doesn't even have reaction feats suggesting he can even fight on par with Sasuke. Ration can rip through all his doton techs. Senjutsu inhanced fire burns Jirobo he can easily get blitzed as well. To many factors swaying against the team.
Thats iffy and even if it does breach the defense it would result in an explosion sending both backwards and since Kaiten reflects Chakra Sasuke would get a good portion of damage to his dominant arm and lose his chidori + a lot of Chakra meanwhile Neji avoids getting stabbed and can resume the battle.
Jirobo doesn't even have reaction feats suggesting he can even fight on par with Sasuke. Ration can rip through all his doton techs. Senjutsu inhanced fire burns Jirobo he can easily get blitzed as well. To many factors swaying against the team.
He uses Chiddri to rip through Earth wall followed by Neji dealing with him. Senjutsu enhanced Katon is blocked by Neji or CM1 enhanced Earth wall neg diff.
-Sasuke cant blitz Jirobo via Chidori with Neji as support , heck CM1 Sasuke cant even blitz Base Naruto with chidori without diversions first lol.
Irrelevant and wrong , did u even read the thread?
Thats iffy and even if it does breach the defense it would result in an explosion sending both backwards and since Kaiten reflects Chakra Sasuke would get a good portion of damage to his dominant arm and lose his chidori + a lot of Chakra meanwhile Neji avoids getting stabbed and can resume the battle.
Explain how it's irrelevant? It's not really iffy when Rotation couldn't even stop Juubi spikes which are nothing but wood material. Senjutsu inhanced Chidori>Mokuton spikes. It would only reflect it if it was a grude match which it won't rotation gets pierced easily.
He uses Chiddri to rip through Earth wall followed by Neji dealing with him. Senjutsu enhanced Katon is blocked by Neji or CM1 enhanced Earth wall neg diff.
-Sasuke cant blitz Jirobo via Chidori with Neji as support , heck CM1 Sasuke cant even blitz Base Naruto with chidori without diversions first lol.
Neji isn't dealing with him. Even if Neji could land a hit on Sasuke with gentle fist his cm2 senjutsu would overpower it just like how the small amount of kurama chakra completely blew through gentle fist affects. Wrong when 3tomoe Sasuke plus cm1 would get this job done. Plus we see 3tomoe Sasuke blitzed red eye Naruto[
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Explain how it's irrelevant? It's not really iffy when Rotation couldn't even stop Juubi spikes which are nothing but wood material. Senjutsu inhanced Chidori>Mokuton spikes. It would only reflect it if it was a grude match which it won't rotation gets pierced easily.
Its irrelevant because Sasuke isn't fast enough to blitz or seriously pressure Neji to the point that he cant physically react and Lmao at u saying that Rotation couldn't even stop Juubi spikes when it was literally used to stop raining amounts of juubi spikes simultaneously SMH.
-A single Juubi spike pierced it because the numbers were too many and Neji could not keep spinning fast enough to deal with the raining waves of repeated attacks without getting a small compromise due to prolonged use of Kaiten.
Based on ur logic u make it seem like a simple wave of Juubi spikes is enough to breach Kaiten , heck u make it seem like that single spike was enough when the reason it got pierced in the first place is so obvious it shouldn't even be addressed since it should be obvious that the Faster neji spins , the longer he can maintain his spin like a Top , so if he cant spin fast enough he cant spin long enough and since the spikes were so many in number as he noted , he could not maintain Kaiten because he couldn't spin fast enough. How does this begin to help ur argument at all. Lol
-What are u even trying to say with the Bold?? Anyway Chidori breaching Kaiten would result in Kaiten exploding and Sasuke isn't easily breaching this wide amount of chakra without facing serious repercussions and as we've seen , if Kaiten's spinning force/Chakra is breached by a forceful chakra attack it will explode which would also make sense for piercing attacks.
Neji isn't dealing with him. Even if Neji could land a hit on Sasuke with gentle fist his cm2 senjutsu would overpower it just like how the small amount of kurama chakra completely blew through gentle fist affects. Wrong when 3tomoe Sasuke plus cm1 would get this job done. Plus we see 3tomoe Sasuke blitzed red eye Naruto[
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CM2 Senjutsu? , i guess it would also heal Sasuke's internal injuries? Naruto had kurama send him the Chakra through his pathways , Cm has no such effects and CM2 Kidomaru couldn't channel chakra at all after getting a few hits Lmao..
-The bold is laughable , Sasuke never blitzed KN0 , all he did was time his offense to correlate with his precog , he didn't even move forward in anyway apart from taking a step much less blitz SMH all he did was literally throw a punch that connected due to obvious reasons.
CM1 and 3T aint enough and u have not proven that it is Lol , now we're back to the Chidori vS Kaiten argument , so why would Chidori piercing Kaiten not result in Kaiten exploding? if it can even breach it in the first place since even if he does Sasuke's arm wouldn't even be able to reach Neji inside his rotation since its diameter is much wider than it was in the CE meaning Sasuke wouldn't be able to pierce all the way to Neji in one thrust unlike he did against Gaara's sand dome.
Fine Sasuke starts with 3T and can use CM1 if he can survive without intel for 5 minutes , quit crying like a ***** since u already said Team1 wins even under the conditions that ur now all of a sudden crying about when u said they could still win , u got proven to be dead wrong and now ur crying..:lol
But your point is moot when Sasuke is faster than Neji physically, The moment he matched Lee's speed he would take a dump lee in taijutsu. Scan would have been much more impressive if Neji was not all stabbed up so, Neji was all jabbed up so that's not even a good or decent evasive feat. Dodging projectiles are much easy because they're going in one set direction and they're linear while a fight and or arm can curve or turn to hit you. Except a much weaker Naruto ended Neji with his reckless fighting style also forced him into rotation several times so your point hols no merit also because someone is reckless you take away the fighting prowess? No Not when Naruto is much faster and stronger than Neji so his so called precision means nothing. Movement does not matter in cqc? stop how do you dodge if your movement speed is irrelevant? you sound silly.
First of all, Neji simply has superior evasion feats than Sasuke does and the Databook even supports the fact that Neji's superior in both Taijutsu and Speed as well, so your claim is entirely baseless. Second of all, what you're arguing in all honesty, is rather illogical. Neji didn't evade one set of projectiles targeting him from one direction, he evaded dozens of projectiles in various different directions which is far more difficult than evading KN0 Naruto's linear attacks. The 3T Sharingan could pick up on his speed, so the only thing that Sasuke had to worry about was KN0 Naruto's punch, but considering Naruto only executes one attack at a time, all Sasuke had to be focused on was predicting one attack that Naruto used. His arm curving is entirely irrelevant simply because Sasuke only has to predict one attack executed by KN0 Naruto.
Irrelevant, Naruto knew he couldn't handle Neji speed-wise and Neji wasn't even using his Taijutsu in the first place. Naruto knew he couldn't match Neji in speed and taijutsu, so he opted for brute force instead. This is something that Sasuke doesn't have, so don't even bring it up.
I'll simplify this for you. KN0 Naruto being faster is irrelevant. The Sharingan specializes in reacting to speedy and linear fighters because the Sharingan only had to pick up on one attack that KN0 Naruto executes at a time. Neji's not only capable of properly defending against Sasuke's attacks and force Sasuke into a vulnerable position, but Sasuke has to concern himself with reacting to Neji's rapid-style fighting style because he has predict multiple attacks targeting him in a mere instant. Next thing you're going to tell me is that V1 Bee would perform better against Sasuke than Base Bee did because he's faster and stronger, but that's clearly not the case.
Don't even bring up the whole "Neji was injured" instant. Being injured doesn't disregard Neji's feats at all, much like how Sasuke being injured doesn't undermine Sasuke's evasion feat against V1 Bee's speed either.
Stop his only rapid fire taijutsu is his trigrams nothing else Hinata is much to of an unreliable source because she's much slower than Sasuke and not even had the movement and pre-cog he has irrelevant post is irrelevant. Because lee only can use taijutsu while Sasuke has a plethora of offense to offer then Add the speed is not nessarcry to beat Neji look at Naruto, VOTE Sasuke is also faster than that lee (Not counting gates) with a 3 tomoe so using him as an example is yet again another fail. Your reaching it was never stated he needed gates to dodge Neji it was said he needed the gates to beat neji your a fool.
I don't understand what you're trying to prove with your next argument especially because it's incoherent and poorly-written. Sasuke doesn't have the strength and powerful chakra that KN0 Naruto does, so KN0 Naruto defeating Neji is irrelevant as I had already mentioned before and the Lee vs. Sasuke example was used to show how combating skill Taijutsu users with the Sharingan requires the speed needed to properly defend against that taijutsu user's attacks which is something 3T Sasuke doesn't have against Neji.
Guess your making up shit as you go along now. Never implied that Sharingan cannot counter a non reckless fighter lol. Sasuke lost to bee because he cannot read weapons only movements with limbs and ligaments. He lost to Rock lee because of his physical body being to slow not because he was skilled in taijutsu you replace CE2 Sasuke with the one that fought rock lee who is not a reckless fighter lol Sasuke would own him because he can read and destroy him simple as that. Rapid style taijutsu stop making bs up boy no such thing Neji is not even a rapid raijutsu fighter outside of trigrams.
As always, you're simply failing to grasp the central idea of my argument. The speedy, but linear and reckless fighting style is inefficient against Sharingan users in contrast to Neji's fighting style where it's more accustomed and more efficient in handling ninja such as Sasuke. Either way, the bold makes absolutely no sense. We're aware that you never implied that the Sharingan couldn't counter a fighter like Neji, that's essentially the subject of the debate, so I'm not sure why you brought it up.
That's false. Both Sasuke and Itachi use the Sharingan to supplement their Shuriken-ninjutsu which gives us an indication that the Sharingan can effectively read the movements of weapons and Lee's Taijutsu still incorporated a level of skill regardless of what you believe because if that wasn't the case, he would've been able to identify Lee's fighting style as Taijutsu. He simply couldn't because in spite of being able to anticipate his movements, there was a level of skill involved that enabled Lee to deceive Sasuke.
-sigh- enough with the bs lol Neji fighting style is not even that he is a slowed countered active fighter not a complete offense intense rapid fighting style that you claim get out of here.
It's not the body-blow, it's simply emitting chakra as he did here:
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Sasuke grabbed his hands meaning he's the one that countered him in cqc not the other way around and Naruto here is much stronger than he was at CE2 so obviously Naruto speed is much better here than it was there. A scan later Sasuke was bodying them
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. What is the nessacry? for fighting neji lol. Sasuke at VOTE was dodging 1 tailed Naruto and and absolutely destroyed KN0 Naruto a far better taijutsu feat than what Neji was shown considering Not even KN0 defeated Neji.
All irrelevant. Naruto is still slower than Neji let alone Sasuke and most importantly, he had shitty taijutsu and Sasuke's skill in taijutsu didn't allow himself to defeat Naruto despite the advantages he possessed. That same level of Taijutsu isn't going to challenge Neji in the least, especially when Neji's essentially faster than Sasuke in every single way.
You do realize that having to distribute his chakra amongst over 100 clones made each clone weaker than the original right?
Evading KN1 Naruto is irrelevant. We're simply going in circles here, so I challenge you to present a proper feat Sasuke's Sharingan enabling him to challenge someone significantly better than him in Taijutsu or utilizes rapid-style taijutsu along with performances that suggest that Sasuke is faster than Neji. This is all that needs to be discussed because from my objective view of the manga, there's absolutely no such evidence.
Still with the nonsense lol punches or strikes and succession means nothing when they're much slower than the 1 singular punch or kick and no they're we'rent at a time everytime Sasuke dodges and he jumped back forces Naruto to run back at him. Naruto does throw barrages of attacks
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this is all underwater showing his striking speed and speed is no joke period. Neji has to worry about everything especially with the evidence i just proved.
No it doesn't because he's simply maneuvering at high speeds while merely throwing one punch in each direction. It's merely a representation of KN0 Naruto's agility, not his ability to perform Taijutsu on the level of Lee and Neji.
Works different to projectiles attack not a running jab like chiodori, Once again Rotation has never nullified Ninjutsu the spinning force just propelled it back also the only thing it has repelled was kunai or projectiles like i said to neosmith an attack with force exerted behind it has never failed against rotation and its not churning Sasuke up like it does kunai and tossing him out so it does not matter. Not once repelled a chakra because it was chakra baseless point. Your expo was piss poor.
Evading multiple projectiles that aren't really spaced apart while being launched in multiple different directions is much more challenging than evading a simple linear jab. There's a reason why Chidori/Raikiri was considered ineffective and it's because it's so predictable that it creates far too many openings a ninja could exploit. Simply using Chidori against Neji gets casually evaded or he simply intercepts him like Itachi did against him.
Absence of evidence is not evidence. Kaiten nullifies ninjutsu by redirecting all of the user's chakra back at the opponent. The only reason Kaiten would fail is if Neji didn't emit enough chakra in respect to Sasuke's Chidori. Neji not only failed against Naruto because Kaiten was partially incompletely, but also because KN0 Naruto is capable of mustering large amounts of chakra in a single attack, far more than Sasuke is capable of doing with his Chidori. I don't care if the only instance where it failed was against KN0 Naruto's attack when Sasuke's Chidori likely doesn't produce enough energy to counter Neji's Kaiten in the first place.
Not the point of my post basically It is possible to use katon in a close range scenario against quick striking speed opponents. All that nonsense about Itachi goes out the window since Sasuke matched him evenly in katon so moot point.
You merely proved that Itachi could form multiple seals in the time it takes for Sasuke to execute a single seal. The only reason why Itachi required that many seals in the first place was due to his illness and damage he received previously which hindered his chakra control. When we saw him as an Edo Tensei against Killer Bee, he had none of these repercussions and he was more than capable of performing Katon with a single seal.
Fact of the matter is, that's not close-distance and this is P1 Sasuke, not P2 Sasuke who improved immensely in his proficiency with hand seals.
No it doesn't because he's simply maneuvering at high speeds while merely throwing one punch in each direction. It's merely a representation of KN0 Naruto's agility, not his ability to perform Taijutsu on the level of Lee and Neji.
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Great post. I just wanted to add extra emphasis to ur point here , because its basically the same concerning Lee and Haku , its simply a way to show us Naruto's agility which cant be used to gauge his speed in anyway since Weightless Lee + Haku are capable of the same thing simply because of how it was drawn or represented LOL.
Jirobo isn't too weAK , HIS ABILITIES make for good support and Sasuke is the only one able to take him down via Chidori which he could hinder with doton while Neji supports him and deals with Sasuke.
-Why is Jirobo too weak for this anyway?? especially when he has CM 1 and 2.:yeah:
