I agree with the bolded part. But, then comes another question in my mind- that time in Oro's layer Kyuubi called Sasuke's chakra even more sinnister than madara's.. Madara hadn't had time to manipulate Sasuke till them and Orochimaru hadn't done much in that direction either. So Sasuke must be carrying a great part of typical Uchiha trait inside him himself... Unlik Itachi. U_U
[Discussion] Uzumaki Mito: How could she sense hostility?
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OKAY!!! *raises hand* QUESTION!!
This heated debate calls for yet another question...do you think Mito/Kushina could at least transform into kyuubi like Nii did (and yet keep their sanity)?? If so, could they sense hostility and evil (in TB mode) just like Naruto does in the KC-mode?? Are these new powers kyuubi-exlusive???
This heated debate calls for yet another question...do you think Mito/Kushina could at least transform into kyuubi like Nii did (and yet keep their sanity)?? If so, could they sense hostility and evil (in TB mode) just like Naruto does in the KC-mode?? Are these new powers kyuubi-exlusive???
Yes, this is a good point that I missed. It may also help explain why Kushina lacked this ability, that we know of, namely because of special chakra that was well suited to suppressing the Kyuubi's. I like to speculate, however, that I do think there might be some sort of synergy between the Uuzumaki and Kyuubi (Kushina is an example that some members of the clan existed like that possibly) in different variations that enhanced this ability. Anyway, nice job.
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Someone said something earlier, that a partial transformation like Naruto used to do, when she still had control, is when she had access to this ability. As well, she was a Jinchuuriki for decades, so she had a long time to work on control and trying to understand what was inside of her.
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Yes, the Uchiha are indeed a cursed clan according to Itachi, and Madara says that Sasuke is a true avenger. Thus, Sasuke is sort of the perfect storm when those two mix, now fueled by hatred his chakra must be so sinister Naruto is gonna fall on his ass just going near him in Kyuubi mode, lol.
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I think this is definitely one of the strong scenarios under which she was able to draw in some of the Kyuubi chakra, control it, and then had the ability to sense hostility. However, unlike Naruto, she never attained the level of taking all of the Kyuubi's chakra. I agree with you on this as a strong possibility.
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guys, if this is true than every one who had kyubii within them, that is past 3 or 4 pple, all the skills will be narutos and can even be more strong to figght madara... dont u think??????????
Most likely she had the ability on her own, maybe a KKG .
If she could go Rikudo mode etc, im pretty sure she would of been mentioned more then just that 1 flashback with Kushina.
either she could go Rikudo Mode, had a KKG to sense emotions, or developed a jutsu on her own.
If people came up with jutsus to live forever then spending time developing the ability to sense Malice is not too far of a stretch .
OffT, Mito could be the 6th coffin.
Kabuto has in his army MS, Rinnegan, poison to surpress Hashiramas' power, only thing missing is sensing hatred to fight zetsus' and with out a doubt Mito must of had some very powerful sealing techniques .
If she could go Rikudo mode etc, im pretty sure she would of been mentioned more then just that 1 flashback with Kushina.
either she could go Rikudo Mode, had a KKG to sense emotions, or developed a jutsu on her own.
If people came up with jutsus to live forever then spending time developing the ability to sense Malice is not too far of a stretch .
OffT, Mito could be the 6th coffin.
Kabuto has in his army MS, Rinnegan, poison to surpress Hashiramas' power, only thing missing is sensing hatred to fight zetsus' and with out a doubt Mito must of had some very powerful sealing techniques .
Guys I've got the feeling you're getting the wrong idea about the ability. Naruto can sense evil intent not evil chakra. That's crucial. He could differ between Kisame and Samehada which had the same chakra. Just wanted to correct this one. Even Karin can sense cold and bright chakras
I think she had some level control over the Kyuubi, Kushina had a different seal then Naruto, involving her chakra chains. It could have something to do with the seal... I don't know, I agree with the guy about it being a possible trait of the Kyuubi.
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maybe this has all already happened before. madara kidnapped mito (maybe idk im making this up dont hate) and took control of mito when she was in a transformed state (like when naruto was fighting pain) and was going to destroy the village, except somehow hashirama was able to gain control back of mito from madara, and whooped his booty hole.
maybe madara was so injured he lost one of his eyes...maybe an arm...a leg...idk but he was real injured...but he was able to steal the 1st hokages dna and mix it up with himself to regrow and regenerate limbs. except he wasnt as strong as he used to be...so the next time he tried to destroy the leaf he had to wait until kushina was weakened while giving birth, but he failed again...
he's just abig failure.
except now from all his experience with trying to dominate the world and getting owned by everybody...maybe hes acounted for something idk...hes got aplan knowatimsayin?
maybe madara was so injured he lost one of his eyes...maybe an arm...a leg...idk but he was real injured...but he was able to steal the 1st hokages dna and mix it up with himself to regrow and regenerate limbs. except he wasnt as strong as he used to be...so the next time he tried to destroy the leaf he had to wait until kushina was weakened while giving birth, but he failed again...
he's just abig failure.
except now from all his experience with trying to dominate the world and getting owned by everybody...maybe hes acounted for something idk...hes got aplan knowatimsayin?
Guys I've got the feeling you're getting the wrong idea about the ability. Naruto can sense evil intent not evil chakra. That's crucial. He could differ between Kisame and Samehada which had the same chakra. Just wanted to correct this one. Even Karin can sense cold and bright chakras
That's a good point you just made there. There is something lost in translation though. For Kyuubi called Sasuke's chakra as sinister way before while in Oro's layer when Oro was still alive and Sai had just joined the team.
Karin saw Sasuke after he was done with Oro and she was fine with his chakra at the the time and for a long time after that. That indicate that whatever Kyuubi sensed earlier in Sasuke shouldn't have been visible difference but kind of subtle. Sasuke had started his journy on the road of hatred and malice but Karin doesn't start to see changes till it was too late.
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Some intresting things have popped up about the uzumaki clan. I have some thoughts about them and why they were possibly feared.1a.) To my knowledge, Naruto is the first Kyuubi Jinchuuriki to gain control over the Kyuubi, granted he doesn't have friendly terms with the Kyuubi yet, but it is something Kishi is foreshadowing and beyond the scope of this thread.
1b.) Once he took the Kyuubi's chakra and whenever he uses it, he can sense hostility. As noted by the Kisame, this an ability beyond any other sensor ninja and must've come with gaining gaining control of the Kyuubi's chakra.
2.) However on the very first panel of 545 we learn from Madara that Mito Uzumaki also had this ability. Hence, his trap with the white Zetsus to lure Naruto out.
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She sealed the entire Kyuubi in herself during the fight between Hashirama and Madara at the Valley of the End. However, how does she have this ability if she and Kushina were never more than containers for Kyuubi rather than in command? Is this some sort of Uzumaki Kyuubi chakra synergism?
3.) Kushina had an eight-trigrams seal specially made for her by Minato and with her assistance. Then I wonder if it has something to do with the seal. For example, did Kushina and Mito use different seals, and Naruto's new seal is closer to Mito's?
To summarize, we know Naruto gained the ability to sense hostility only after gaining control of the Kyuubi's chakra for himself. To our knowledge, he's the first to do so, and Mito and Kushina merely acted as vessels for the Bijou. Thus, how did Mito gain the ability to sense hostility, given she was a vessel and not in control like Naruto is. Perhaps, it was there all along. Perhaps it has something to do with Uzumaki - Kyuubi chakra synergy (which we know Kushina at least had), perhaps it has to do with the seal used by Naruto currently and Mito.
The one factor that's obvious, but significant is the Uzumaki lineage that they share. However, there must be more because Kushina has not been stated to have this ability, perhaps her special chakra suppressed it.
As you can see there is very little information to go on, so feel free to speculate here. I'm not one to condemn it as long as it's reasonable and based on good intentions. We'll probably get the answer when the trap is sprung on Naruto by Madara, albeit I have a feeling Bee will sacrifice himself at that point given the track record of Naruto's teachers.
I don't know the answer though I'd like to, and I'd like to hear your opinions, so feel free to post, or just glance, whichever suits you.
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- We are told Uzumaki Mito had the abilty to Sense hostiilly, this goes far bejond chakra sensing ninja and even emotion sensing skills with the byugan as they pickup fine changes in the chakra network and assiaiote that to a emotion. I'll be intrested to know later on how this actually works, kishi uses chakra to explain everyting in his work but on this chakra seems to not play a part at all. Since the Fox is Malice itself and can revive itself in areas of great hostiilly it seems totally logical now that this sensing skill is a by product of being the fox's host. Dam so simple in concept yet so brilliant.
- Also Kushina had those speical chakra chains used to restrain the Fox.
- We also know after the raikage meeting with the Naruto he assumed that Kushina was one to teach Minato the death god sealing ritual. Also the trade mark swirl left behind on the user seems to be a relation to the uzumaki clan. Not to mention Uzumaki Kushina did say she taught the forth hokage some sealing techniques who incidentally was the first person we saw use this technique.
- Also that diamond shape sealing mark on Senju tsunade and Uzumakii Mito(Senju Tsunade's grandmother), Senju Tsunade uses this to seal away chakra in her body to use in a time of need eg.., pain wipe out village for example. Obviously sealing nature relating to the uzumaki's clan speciality once again.
The fox seems to affect each uzumaki clan member differently. The hostiltiy sensing skill came about in reponse to the fox's powers, Naruto didn't use this until now. So I'm rulling out anything unquie to the uzumaki clan as whole. Same deal with Kushina's special chakra chains Nartuo doesn't seem to be able to use this either so again I'm rulling out anything unquie to the uzumaki clan as whole again. Its like how not everyone in the senju clan got wood jutsu for example.
So I think this is a foreshowing of why the uzumaki clan were feared, they had rare powers on an individual level. Things that weren't confined to what a clan whole would share as whole like a sharingan for example.
If there were several unqiue powers in the one clan on top of their haxed sealing techniques like the death god seal I can see why they were feared and wiped out.
Also while back I made thread about of a secert abilty Naruto has way before we heard anything about Uzumaki clan, worth alook if you intrested.
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I also think there will be a Yin/Yang interaction with this clan later on with regards to "that jutsu" see my Yin/Yang chakra manipulation thread, the conclusion part.
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@ Psukkar:
The link to your secod thread is great. Too bad it's an old thread that cannot be revived. Still you can repost it Or quote it here Or It would be fine if I quote that here- i just want it to bering back to attention and some disscussion if possible.
The link to your secod thread is great. Too bad it's an old thread that cannot be revived. Still you can repost it Or quote it here Or It would be fine if I quote that here- i just want it to bering back to attention and some disscussion if possible.
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I think you make a valid point, and I'm glad you brought it up **, but I don't think that the two are so easily separated and distinguishable. My argument is based on the toads explanation of how Naruto had to claim the Kyuubi's chakra for his own, chapter 490 I think, (thus if I'm flawed here I'll weaken this post's argument or muddy it because I'm tired and trying to process this, apologies.Guys I've got the feeling you're getting the wrong idea about the ability. Naruto can sense evil intent not evil chakra. That's crucial. He could differ between Kisame and Samehada which had the same chakra. Just wanted to correct this one. Even Karin can sense cold and bright chakras
), which required Naruto to take the chakra only and not the will of the Kyuubi. The problem is that they are a tangled mass, which is why whenever Naruto tried this before he got both and gave in to the fox's will. Thus, I believe that people that people with sinister chakra behave the same way. We know Sasuke had sinister chakra, like Naruto, before giving in at the Kage summit when he turned to hostile intentions, and has progressed since then by giving in to his sinister chakra, like Naruto did to his Kyuubi chakra. Thus, in my view sinister chakra and hostile intent are related. Of course, that doesn't mean that I'm right.
Let's not forget going way back to when Kakashi asked team 7 about their goals, Sasuke's was to kill Itachi, he's been an avenger the whole series filled with hostile intent, so it's not like it wasn't present when he met the Kyuubi inside Naruto.
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This was an excellent post, and could even be the origins of a new thread with the incorporation of your prior theories and citations. Thanks for posting it. I haven't had much time to digest it, but I agree or at least find reasonable much of what you said. Sadly, I gotta go. I'll try to address this better later.
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