[Discussion] Uzumaki Mito: How could she sense hostility?

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1a.) To my knowledge, Naruto is the first Kyuubi Jinchuuriki to gain control over the Kyuubi, granted he doesn't have friendly terms with the Kyuubi yet, but it is something Kishi is foreshadowing and beyond the scope of this thread.

1b.) Once he took the Kyuubi's chakra and whenever he uses it, he can sense hostility. As noted by the Kisame, this an ability beyond any other sensor ninja and must've come with gaining gaining control of the Kyuubi's chakra.

2.) However on the very first panel of 545 we learn from Madara that Mito Uzumaki also had this ability. Hence, his trap with the white Zetsus to lure Naruto out.


She sealed the entire Kyuubi in herself during the fight between Hashirama and Madara at the Valley of the End. However, how does she have this ability if she and Kushina were never more than containers for Kyuubi rather than in command? Is this some sort of Uzumaki Kyuubi chakra synergism?

3.) Kushina had an eight-trigrams seal specially made for her by Minato and with her assistance. Then I wonder if it has something to do with the seal. For example, did Kushina and Mito use different seals, and Naruto's new seal is closer to Mito's?

To summarize, we know Naruto gained the ability to sense hostility only after gaining control of the Kyuubi's chakra for himself. To our knowledge, he's the first to do so, and Mito and Kushina merely acted as vessels for the Bijou. Thus, how did Mito gain the ability to sense hostility, given she was a vessel and not in control like Naruto is. Perhaps, it was there all along. Perhaps it has something to do with Uzumaki - Kyuubi chakra synergy (which we know Kushina at least had), perhaps it has to do with the seal used by Naruto currently and Mito.

The one factor that's obvious, but significant is the Uzumaki lineage that they share. However, there must be more because Kushina has not been stated to have this ability, perhaps her special chakra suppressed it.

As you can see there is very little information to go on, so feel free to speculate here. I'm not one to condemn it as long as it's reasonable and based on good intentions. We'll probably get the answer when the trap is sprung on Naruto by Madara, albeit I have a feeling Bee will sacrifice himself at that point given the track record of Naruto's teachers.

I don't know the answer though I'd like to, and I'd like to hear your opinions, so feel free to post, or just glance, whichever suits you. :)

Peace
 
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she was the first women jinchuriki of the ktuubi who could control it.
To our knowledge she was just a vessel and not in control, like Kushina. Naruto is the first to control the Kyuubi. Remember her whole speech about being a container and filling it with love and all, i.e. a baby to Kushina?
 

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IMO it is an rare Uzumaki trait (kind of or just similar to a KG) and the chakra from the Kyubi only enables him to use it/helped him awaken it, I think that the cloak, with the extra chakra boost it provides will help him to faster/easier learn any KGs, family techs, ... from his parents and their families (Uzumaki clan and Namikaze family (whatever that was))
 
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Maybe Mito Uzumaki and Naruto shares the same bloodline combination. Minato's clan never mentioned in the manga. There's still missing pieces in Naruto's identity.
 

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Why is everyone dead sure about Bee dying? I think he will play the Han Solo part in this story showing up in the end and contributing major assistance to kill the villain. ^^
At the topic: I think the Uzumaki-Kyuubi chakra synergy is a good point to begin with but maybe this is caused because every (we don't know if there were other ones) Kyuubi Jinchuuriki has been an Uzumaki. What I believe is that the Kyuubi can somehow (maybe the other Bijuu can too) pass down techniques of the former Jinchuuriki because he shared a bit of their chakra in which also the knowledge of jutsus flows. And maybe even of those who were close to them (look at the affinity to the Wood Style Jutsus or the incredible speed or even Space Time Jutsu [we don't know yet if the move Naruto used against the Raikage was Space Time Jutsu or just raw speed]). Everything is possible right now. O.O
So maybe Uzumaki Mito is the origin of this evil intent sensing "jutsu".
 
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Minato's clan never mentioned in the manga. There's still missing pieces in Naruto's identity.
Well...I guess kishi's just setting the stage for it all...Madara says "senju's Will of Fire" will die right?? I guess we'll find out something like Minato was a senju who married an uzumaki just like the first hokage did (note: this is a random guess, thats all)...

@Leafeater...in the manga it was also mentioned that Mito sealed kyuubi in her to aid Hashirama in his battle against Madara...so, knowing how Madara could control kyuubi even inside a host (eg...Kushina), Mito must've had kyuubi under her control...else her strategy wouldve been pointless...plus...when "controlling the kyuubi" is concerned, its still ambiguous in the sense that it may refer to controlling its chakra and controlling the WHOLE beast in itself(like Madara, Hashirama ans SoSP)... Plus there is the fact that Mito had the WHOLE beast in her while Naruto has the half of it...I guess to "control" the beast you need to have the whole beast(as is the case with KB) and not just a chunk of it...
 
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To our knowledge she was just a vessel and not in control, like Kushina. Naruto is the first to control the Kyuubi. Remember her whole speech about being a container and filling it with love and all, i.e. a baby to Kushina?
To your knowledge you thought she was just a vessel but to us she was the first to control it just as Naruto's mother thats if you reread the magna carefully.

Have you forgotten how Bee controlled the eight tails? You have to fill the tail beast with heart just like what mito said and what the previous 8tail control said to A. Thats how she was able to control the beast as well as sense hostility.
 

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oh thats my mistake then :D
Don't sweat it.

Peace.

IMO it is an rare Uzumaki trait (kind of or just similar to a KG) and the chakra from the Kyubi only enables him to use it/helped him awaken it, I think that the cloak, with the extra chakra boost it provides will help him to faster/easier learn any KGs, family techs, ... from his parents and their families (Uzumaki clan and Namikaze family (whatever that was))
I agree on the former, not sure on the latter, interesting though. :)

Peace

Maybe Mito Uzumaki and Naruto shares the same bloodline combination. Minato's clan never mentioned in the manga. There's still missing pieces in Naruto's identity.
Agreed that there's a strong possibility of that, especially on the Uzumaki side since that's where the trait is manifesting. I have no idea about the Namikaze side, simply because we've been told nothing other than how the name translates.

Why is everyone dead sure about Bee dying? I think he will play the Han Solo part in this story showing up in the end and contributing major assistance to kill the villain. ^^
At the topic: I think the Uzumaki-Kyuubi chakra synergy is a good point to begin with but maybe this is caused because every (we don't know if there were other ones) Kyuubi Jinchuuriki has been an Uzumaki. What I believe is that the Kyuubi can somehow (maybe the other Bijuu can too) pass down techniques of the former Jinchuuriki because he shared a bit of their chakra in which also the knowledge of jutsus flows. And maybe even of those who were close to them (look at the affinity to the Wood Style Jutsus or the incredible speed or even Space Time Jutsu [we don't know yet if the move Naruto used against the Raikage was Space Time Jutsu or just raw speed]). Everything is possible right now. O.O
So maybe Uzumaki Mito is the origin of this evil intent sensing "jutsu".
Yeah, that's an interesting idea. I agree with the synergy, but if knowledge and jutsu are being passed down, it makes we wonder about Kushina not having the trait, so I think there's more to it. We also know she had a special chakra, so who knows how that played a role.

@Leafeater...in the manga it was also mentioned that Mito sealed kyuubi in her to aid Hashirama in his battle against Madara...so, knowing how Madara could control kyuubi even inside a host (eg...Kushina), Mito must've had kyuubi under her control...else her strategy wouldve been pointless...plus...when "controlling the kyuubi" is concerned, its still ambiguous in the sense that it may refer to controlling its chakra and controlling the WHOLE beast in itself(like Madara, Hashirama ans SoSP)... Plus there is the fact that Mito had the WHOLE beast in her while Naruto has the half of it...I guess to "control" the beast you need to have the whole beast(as is the case with KB) and not just a chunk of it...
Madara didn't really control the Kyuubi inside of Kushina. When he acted on her, the seal was at it's weakest point, it was not set when Minato teleported out with Naruto, and the fox was already emerging it's own. This is why he had to wait for this very specific moment, because he can't control the Kyuubi inside it's host.

Rereading the manga of Kushina's flashback, it's clear that neither Mito nor Kushina ever exercised control over the fox other than their Jinchuuriki seal. Kushina says that she was brought in to be the new vessel because her chakra happened to be especially strong at suppressing the Kyuubi's. Further, Naruto only senses hostility when he trades his chakra for the foxes, something never done before. This is why I am so curious about her ability, since she couldn't trade her chakra for the Kyuubi's like Naruto does, yet she could still sense hostility. Then there's the question of why she could and Kushina could not.

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If anybody's noticed every Jinchuuriki has managed to maintain some level of control over the Bijuu meaining that they have been able to access their power in a way. Naruto is probably the first Kyuubi Jinchuuriki to gain such a high level of mastery of his control over the Kyuubi but that doesn't mean he was the first to control it. To control a Bijuu (at least in my oppinion) means to be able to maintain your seal without letting the beat break through it and release itself, and to some point access it's chakra for your use. Even before Naruto mastered the Kyuubi's chakra he learned how to access it and use it (Jiraiya had him do that for the Summoning technique training and he could control 3 tails I think while maintaining conciousness). I'm not sure in Gaara's case, Fuu, Roshi, or Han mainly because their existence in the series was short or never actually seen (Except for Gaara, But we've only seen him loose control in the first part of the series and we've never seen him truly control his beast). Yugato Nii (Nibi) could transform into her Bijuu, Utakata (Rokubi) could use his Bijuu's chakra and transform into it, Yagura Mizukage (Sanbi) was said to be able to control his Bijuu like Bee and Naruto (Although he was controled by Madara so I'm not sure). Anyway my point being that maybe Mito was able to control the Kyuubi to the extent where she could sense hostilities in others but not in the other ways in which Naruto can utilize the demon's chakra to the fullest (near fullest Idk)...Or Madara's lying (But why would he be lying to himself I mean he was kind of talking to himself the little sociopath) in which case my argument was useless.
 

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Yeah, that's an interesting idea. I agree with the synergy, but if knowledge and jutsu are being passed down, it makes we wonder about Kushina not having the trait, so I think there's more to it. We also know she had a special chakra, so who knows how that played a role.
We know very little of Kushinas jutsus and fighting styles and even her level of control over the Kyuubi. Yes, she had a special chakra which had been very sufficient to suppress the Kyuubi. Yes, we know that the Kyuubi had been sealed within her but did she try to gain control over it like Naruto and made it to a certain degree or did she use the Kyuubi like Naruto did before he took over? And we even have less hints how Mito used it. Kishi has a lot to explain right now and hopefully he does because I'm getting a bit tired of so much info inserted in the manga without being explained like in the early chapters.
 

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IMO it is an rare Uzumaki trait (kind of or just similar to a KG) and the chakra from the Kyubi only enables him to use it/helped him awaken it, I think that the cloak, with the extra chakra boost it provides will help him to faster/easier learn any KGs, family techs, ... from his parents and their families (Uzumaki clan and Namikaze family (whatever that was))
Well it isn't a fact that it's a rare uzamaki trait, because of the fact that the only jinjurikis of the kyubi have been uzamakis. So we don't know if it could be an ability in other clans, i assume its just a kyubi ability to some extent (but again its all speculation).

maybe mito had a pure enuff heart or something corny like that.lol idk, just throwing ideas out there..
 

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If anybody's noticed every Jinchuuriki has managed to maintain some level of control over the Bijuu meaining that they have been able to access their power in a way. Naruto is probably the first Kyuubi Jinchuuriki to gain such a high level of mastery of his control over the Kyuubi but that doesn't mean he was the first to control it. To control a Bijuu (at least in my oppinion) means to be able to maintain your seal without letting the beat break through it and release itself, and to some point access it's chakra for your use. Even before Naruto mastered the Kyuubi's chakra he learned how to access it and use it (Jiraiya had him do that for the Summoning technique training and he could control 3 tails I think while maintaining conciousness). I'm not sure in Gaara's case, Fuu, Roshi, or Han mainly because their existence in the series was short or never actually seen (Except for Gaara, But we've only seen him loose control in the first part of the series and we've never seen him truly control his beast). Yugato Nii (Nibi) could transform into her Bijuu, Utakata (Rokubi) could use his Bijuu's chakra and transform into it, Yagura Mizukage (Sanbi) was said to be able to control his Bijuu like Bee and Naruto (Although he was controled by Madara so I'm not sure). Anyway my point being that maybe Mito was able to control the Kyuubi to the extent where she could sense hostilities in others but not in the other ways in which Naruto can utilize the demon's chakra to the fullest (near fullest Idk)...Or Madara's lying (But why would he be lying to himself I mean he was kind of talking to himself the little sociopath) in which case my argument was useless.
I don't think Madara's lying since he seemed to have gone to great lengths to base his plan around this ability. Also, what you propose is very reasonable. Mito may have had the ability in a partial transformation state where she still had control like Naruto initially did up to 3-tails for him. It could be that Kushina's special chakra that suppressed the Kyuubi's chakra so well also happened to suppress this ability too, who knows.

Peace.

We know very little of Kushinas jutsus and fighting styles and even her level of control over the Kyuubi. Yes, she had a special chakra which had been very sufficient to suppress the Kyuubi. Yes, we know that the Kyuubi had been sealed within her but did she try to gain control over it like Naruto and made it to a certain degree or did she use the Kyuubi like Naruto did before he took over? And we even have less hints how Mito used it. Kishi has a lot to explain right now and hopefully he does because I'm getting a bit tired of so much info inserted in the manga without being explained like in the early chapters.
Yeah, but unfortunately each issue only has so many pages, and I think Kishi has a plan for when he wants to fully enveil certain knowledge. This was a little too little though I think. I'm not the writer and liked the issue anyway.

Peace

Well it isn't a fact that it's a rare uzamaki trait, because of the fact that the only jinjurikis of the kyubi have been uzamakis. So we don't know if it could be an ability in other clans, i assume its just a kyubi ability to some extent (but again its all speculation).

maybe mito had a pure enuff heart or something corny like that.lol idk, just throwing ideas out there..
Yeah, I do have a feeling that whie it may not be a rare Uzumaki trait, it is definitely involved with them somehow as opposed to just being the Kyuubi host. Obviously it's impossible to separate the two since all three Jinchuuriki where at least half Uzumaki, but hopefully it won't be something corny like a pure heart and it can be tied to something more concrete.

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Kyuubi could always sense sinister/evil chakra- he commented on Sasuke's in Oro's layer comparing him to Madara's.

Maybe Mito has access to this ability of Kyuubi and could sense it as well. She may not have used Kyuubi's chakra to fight but, she could have used it sometimes for other purposes. She was a vessel for a long time. Kushina died early on.
 
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It says in the manga that Hashirama gain control of the nine tails to help Hashirama fight madara she seal the nine tails into herself becoming the first kyuubi jinchuuriki. So she got sense ability from the nine tails like naruto. She had the ability to control the nine tails to some degree maybe not as well as naruto but still.

 

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Kyuubi could always sense sinister/evil chakra- he commented on Sasuke's in Oro's layer comparing him to Madara's.

Maybe Mito has access to this ability of Kyuubi and could sense it as well. She may not have used Kyuubi's chakra to fight but, she could have used it sometimes for other purposes. She was a vessel for a long time. Kushina died early on.
true, you might be right
 
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