[Discussion] Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

[Allan Hoshigaki]

well in the manga they said they were distant cousins thats why the wear there symbol on there clothes to show a sign of good faith. but the 1st hokage is definetly a descendant of one of the sages sons as madara is a decendant of the sages older son. that brings me to the next question. when the sage had twos sons the youngest was born with the body and the oldest was born with the sages eyes (rinnegan) i think there is a possibility that there was actually two rinnegans and the rinnegan that madara has could have been the sages sons rinnegan and not the Original sages rinnegan.

 

[shadedcrow]

Hmmm...dunno why but somehow from the anime episode 203, it seems to me that Naruto is indeed closely related to Hashirama( with Madara constantly stressing the fact that he sees Hashirama in Naruto over and over again in the anime)...I dont think I got the same impression from the corresponding chapter in the manga...Also the fact that Madara states that the younger son inherits the sage's life-force and physical body, its like the uzumakis get the sage's life-force(their longevity) and vast chakra(the bit of the sage that the Uchiha are supposed to get)...so it really doesnt make sense to me...unless of course if SoSP himself was Uzumaki, then it kinda makes perfect sense coz. before sealing jubi within himself, he would've been just like any other Uzumaki(with his physical body, longevity, life-force and vast chakra)...that what I think though...

Hope this helps, some

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(in the bottom part of the page they talk about the percautions Mitosama had to take when giveing birth.

Their were no Senju until The Second Son and His descendant started to call themselves Senju. What was the family Name of the SO6P when He was alive? It was not Senju nor Uchiha, could it have ben Uzumaki? Could the SO6P have had brothers or sisters? that their would clearly explain, why Uzumaki are distanced relatives to the Senju and the Uchiha. Think about it.

Madara said the Sage was two clans and two blood lines in one body. I kind of dont see why the Senju and Uchiha could have been the sages parents clans, and then after his death the children were divided between the two clans, furthering the Uchiha and Senju clans, or recreating them after his death.

But I can kind of see what your saying too.

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I am new on the BASE and i like most of theory's you guys come up with and i want to ask did Hashirama SENJU had kids with Mito UZUMAKI?

Welcome to the base, not sure when but it is assured that Mito had a child. And that child would be Senju/Uchiha/Uzumaki possibly giveing it 3/6 paths of the sage of the six paths. Chapter 500 pg 9, but even so on page three Kurishna states that the Senju and the Uzumaki were distant blood relatives.

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(in the bottom part of the page they talk about the percautions Mitosama had to take when giveing birth.

its not mentioned in the manga or anime but Tsanade is their grandaughter

If it wasnt mentioned in either the manga or the anime how would we know? lol

I think if you watch the episodes where its Sauske vs Orochimaru, or when Tusanade is contemplating on comming back to the village, and Naruto wants her necklace, that belonged to her little brother who got it from her who said it was their Grandfathers the hokage. Somewhere around thereish.

 

[Tboy3000]

I think people with the doujutsu: Sharingan,Rinnegan and Byakugan are related to the sages son who had his eyes. And people like: Uzumaki, Senju are related to the sone with his body / life energy

 

[SharinganisOP]

I think that the uzamaki's are a branch of the second son. one of the second's son's children or their children, eventually had a girl that married the children then used the last name uzamaki. an original uzamaki. they had a lot of children and the clan started.
Or the Uzamaki's are a clan made by a female and a male child from the senju and uchiha clans and named the new one uzamaki.

Now, Madara says that he gave nagato the Rinnegan. I believe this is true. You have to be an uzamaki to have the rinnegan. i believe in order for nagato to get the rinnegan he had to be given enternal mangekyo sharingans. then the enternal mangekyo sharingans turn in to the rinnegan.

Or heres another theory. Madara used izanagi in order to create a pair of rinnegan.

Um thats all i have to say.

 

[shadedcrow]

I think that the uzamaki's are a branch of the second son. one of the second's son's children or their children, eventually had a girl that married the children then used the last name uzamaki. an original uzamaki. they had a lot of children and the clan started.
Or the Uzamaki's are a clan made by a female and a male child from the senju and uchiha clans and named the new one uzamaki.

Now, Madara says that he gave nagato the Rinnegan. I believe this is true. You have to be an uzamaki to have the rinnegan. i believe in order for nagato to get the rinnegan he had to be given enternal mangekyo sharingans. then the enternal mangekyo sharingans turn in to the rinnegan.

Or heres another theory. Madara used izanagi in order to create a pair of rinnegan.

Um thats all i have to say.

I think the sage used Izangi to make his Imagination a relaity, that was pretty far out and kind of an intresting idea. +1 rep for saying f the box.

Not sure you have to be a Uzumaki to use the rinningan but maybe its like the Sharingan, and the Uzumaki chakras are more suited to use the juitsu with out fatigueing the user like Kakashi gets fatigued with his Sharingan, and MS techniques.

And Welcome to the base.

I think people with the doujutsu: Sharingan,Rinnegan and Byakugan are related to the sages son who had his eyes. And people like: Uzumaki, Senju are related to the sone with his body / life energy

Welcome to the base, I kind of see what your saying but want to add that Madara had pretty strong chakras in his own words. But I like the way you think too.

 

[Avani]

I think that the uzamaki's are a branch of the second son. one of the second's son's children or their children, eventually had a girl that married the children then used the last name uzamaki. an original uzamaki. they had a lot of children and the clan started.
Or the Uzamaki's are a clan made by a female and a male child from the senju and uchiha clans and named the new one uzamaki.

Now, Madara says that he gave nagato the Rinnegan. I believe this is true. You have to be an uzamaki to have the rinnegan. i believe in order for nagato to get the rinnegan he had to be given enternal mangekyo sharingans. then the enternal mangekyo sharingans turn in to the rinnegan.

Or heres another theory. Madara used izanagi in order to create a pair of rinnegan.

Um thats all i have to say.

Its loads of speculation based on personal whims. Nothing personal against you- I think Kishi was drunk when he made Madara make that claim out of blue-- It was an afterthought at best and I hope he explains it eventually and not just leaves this lose end.

At the moment all Madara could have done to give Nagato his rinnegan may have been to send his goons to attack Nagato and friends - which resulted in awakenning the rinnegan.

 

[Ridoku Sennin]

Uhm, i`ve read al ur opinions and there`s one thing i wanna say:
people are saying u need to be an uzumaki to obtain the rinnegan, but madara is an uchiha and he has it now,

btw, u could see the so6p as the first shinobi, (theory), which would mean his wife could be a normal person,

 

[shadedcrow]

Its loads of speculation based on personal whims. Nothing personal against you- I think Kishi was drunk when he made Madara make that claim out of blue-- It was an afterthought at best and I hope he explains it eventually and not just leaves this lose end.

At the moment all Madara could have done to give Nagato his rinnegan may have been to send his goons to attack Nagato and friends - which resulted in awakenning the rinnegan.

The first time Negatos rinningan was awoke was when he encountered the leaf ninja who killed his parents. Then he left their house found his dog and friends was attacked again and his rinningan resurfaces.

@riduku sennin- I see what your saying but Madara didn't awaken the rinningan he transplanted it from Negato, who was of the Uzumaki clan. So it might be a secret or a forgote KG of the eddy village or the Uzumaki.

It would make some sense. Because if your look at Negatos phantom dragon juitsu its pretty fierce, And if the awakening of the rinningan is like that of the sharingan just because your in the clan dosen't mean you will get it, or unlock it.

And when Negato and his family were attacked the first time was by leaf ninja in a war Negato said the leaf started, . And then before their ninjuitsu training by a Stone, or cloud village ninja(I think)

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, I'll go with stone In my head because the land of rain and the rain village is between the Stone and Fire countries/leaf village.

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[Jyuubislayer]

well in the manga they said they were distant cousins thats why the wear there symbol on there clothes to show a sign of good faith. but the 1st hokage is definetly a descendant of one of the sages sons as madara is a decendant of the sages older son. that brings me to the next question. when the sage had twos sons the youngest was born with the body and the oldest was born with the sages eyes (rinnegan) i think there is a possibility that there was actually two rinnegans and the rinnegan that madara has could have been the sages sons rinnegan and not the Original sages rinnegan.

Wow, I didn't think of that... but I still wonder how Nagato got rinnegan.

 

[Jyuubislayer]

Its loads of speculation based on personal whims. Nothing personal against you- I think Kishi was drunk when he made Madara make that claim out of blue-- It was an afterthought at best and I hope he explains it eventually and not just leaves this lose end.

At the moment all Madara could have done to give Nagato his rinnegan may have been to send his goons to attack Nagato and friends - which resulted in awakenning the rinnegan.

Kishi had a reason for making Madara say that, its just not revealed yet.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

Wow, I didn't think of that... but I still wonder how Nagato got rinnegan.

well he got it from madara uchiha

 

[Hyperion]

Tsunade is both

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

Tsunade is both

is both what ??

 

[Hyperion]

Uzumaki and Senju!

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

Uzumaki and Senju!

well ye her grandfather was senju and grandmother was uzumaki. so in that case naruto is both aswell

 

[Hyperion]

Idiot.
How is Naruto Senju?

MAJOR :flaw:

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

well his father was born in the leaf village and doesnt belong to any of the clans with bloodline limits like hyuga abrumane uchiha etc. and when madara was talking to naruto at the hotel he said that he sees the senju clan's will of fire burning in his eyes and madara also said he sees the first hokage in naruto. although minato last name isnt senju its safe to assume he was brought up under the senju teachings and will of fire etc. which would make him apart of the senju clan or at least a desendant from them.

 

[Hyperion]

Umm what?
No the will of fire is the Will of Hashirama Senju. Anyone can take up a will. But you can't just be a Senju because you take up the will of fire. So does that mean Kurenai is a Senju? Does that mean Shikamaru is a Senju?
If it were that Simple there'd be a grip of Senju's whoopin the crap out Madara's team fo sho!

 

[Jyuubislayer]

I never thought about Tsunade's lineage...

 

[uzumakikenshin]

yep Naruto is going to unlock his rinnegan!

yeah and soon will also have the byakugan and sharingan...xd...