[Theory] Usopp is the first-mate of the SHs.

[Love Cook]

Again that was gag like sanji's poster
and it's ok I think everyone agrees you >>> manga
barto = manga, oda is writing it......

So a funny poster is a gag, but a drooling fanboy of the SH's is not a gag.

I see how this works now.

Barto is manga and therefore a fact. But Luffy telling Usopp he is next in charge is not a fact, even if it was in the manga,

I get it now, this type of arguing is fun! You don't have to think or deal with logic, you can just stick your fingers in your ears go blah blah blah and show unrelated pictures. This is the best. I think I want to become an idiot too one day.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

There is no first mate of the SH crew. The first mate is typically the first memeber of the captains crew, the 2nd strongest guy in the crew, keeps the captain in line, the closest one to the captain and possesses leadership qualities to succeed the first captian while he's away or dead. Zoro was the first SH member and keeps the captain in line when it comes to pirate code and honor, so he's the first mate right? Wrong! Zoro doesn't have the leadership qualities and there is someone who is closer to the captain than Zoro: Usopp.

The one closest to the captain is Usopp. However, he lacks the strength and bravery to be a proper "first mate." Besides that, When the captain is gone, Nami the navigator and Sanji the cook are the ones who rallies everyone together and takes leadership. Why? Because the SHs don't follow the typical pirate regime. Every SH can do something that the other SHs can't do. Its all about teamwork.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So a funny poster is a gag, but a drooling fanboy of the SH's is not a gag.

I see how this works now.

Barto is manga and therefore a fact. But Luffy telling Usopp he is next in charge is not a fact, even if it was in the manga,

I get it now, this type of arguing is fun! You don't have to think or deal with logic, you can just stick your fingers in your ears go blah blah blah and show unrelated pictures. This is the best. I think I want to become an idiot too one day.

I think, with this post, we're done here.

 

[Tomato God]

What does this have to do with being first-mate? Hell if Zoro's leadrship is so identical's to Luffy then more reason to him to be first-mate.

it gives lead way to different tactics and frankly luffy's an idoit its like if zoro was the first mate it would be the blind leading the blind.

 

[ultraChalk]

Love Cook... if you're going to give me neg rep and call me a 'stubborn mong', could you at least respond to my post and explain what I said that was incorrect?

Because now you just sound butthurt. The world 'first mate' that we use irl has a vastly different definition. That definition refers to merchant ships. Not pirates. They're way of doing things is different. And Zoro has been referred to as the First Mate more often than the self appointed FM, Usopp. And like I said, the One Piece verse uses the term differently, referring to the first recruit of the ship.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Love Cook... if you're going to give me neg rep and call me a 'stubborn mong', could you at least respond to my post and explain what I said that was incorrect?

Because now you just sound butthurt. The world 'first mate' that we use irl has a vastly different definition. That definition refers to merchant ships. Not pirates. They're way of doing things is different. And Zoro has been referred to as the First Mate more often than the self appointed FM, Usopp. And like I said, the One Piece verse uses the term differently, referring to the first recruit of the ship.

Nope. First mate means what it means. Just because it's fiction doesn't mean you can change the definition of a term.

 

[shri3kbat]

Nope he isn't. Zoro is

 

[Love Cook]

Love Cook... if you're going to give me neg rep and call me a 'stubborn mong', could you at least respond to my post and explain what I said that was incorrect?

Because now you just sound butthurt. The world 'first mate' that we use irl has a vastly different definition. That definition refers to merchant ships. Not pirates. They're way of doing things is different. And Zoro has been referred to as the First Mate more often than the self appointed FM, Usopp. And like I said, the One Piece verse uses the term differently, referring to the first recruit of the ship.

No you don't get it you mong, mong irl means something nasty. But that is not what I mean.

Mong in the fictional pirate world has a different meaning, it means someone I respect and look up to because of their superior intellect and usage of dictionaries.

silly you.

 

[chopstickchakra]

But how is that possible when it means exactly that?

first mate
noun
the deck officer second in command to the master of a merchant ship.

and what Lovecook said.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

So a funny poster is a gag, but a drooling fanboy of the SH's is not a gag.

I see how this works now.

Barto is manga and therefore a fact. But Luffy telling Usopp he is next in charge is not a fact, even if it was in the manga,

I get it now, this type of arguing is fun! You don't have to think or deal with logic, you can just stick your fingers in your ears go blah blah blah and show unrelated pictures. This is the best. I think I want to become an idiot too one day.

@bold i love how i don't remember saying that since you never brought it up....thanks for trying to put words in my mouth....
also it wasn't just barto who said that

 

[YellowFang]

IMO the fact that makes Zoro the best candidate for the spot is when Usopp left the crew...

It was Zoro,
- Who gave his Captain, moral support in the actual issue of a pirate crew...
- Who defied the concept of Usopp just joining again like it's nothing...
- Whose stand point was firm and none could go against him, and it forced even Luffy to leave behind a f***ing 'Nakama'...

And also IMO, there can't be a first mate in SH because everyone excels in specific area, like:
When it comes to,
Navigation: Only Nami has the most authority after Luffy...
Ship maintenance: Franky...
Crew serious issues: Zoro
Battlefield tactics: Sanji

And since Captain can't do everything, everyone has to rely on everyone on specific issues...

 

[Punk Hazard]

@bold i love how i don't remember saying that since you never brought it up....thanks for trying to put words in my mouth....
also it wasn't just barto who said that

LOL you're still trying? It's over, this is done. Everything you've tried to bring up has been countered, please, try again in a few months.

 

[Love Cook]

IMO the fact that makes Zoro the best candidate for the spot is when Usopp left the crew...

It was Zoro,
- Who gave his Captain, moral support in the actual issue of a pirate crew...
- Who defied the concept of Usopp just joining again like it's nothing...
- Whose stand point was firm and none could go against him, and it forced even Luffy to leave behind a f***ing 'Nakama'...

Welcome to page 3, all the above already was considered useless since you can make a list like that for every other member.

Also 2 out of your three points are the same, and it was Sanji who first brought that up. So then only the moral support remains, and I'm pretty sure every SH gives Luffy (moral) support.

Like Robin did two chapters ago, or Usopp in the latest.

 

[Bogard]

You people are stupid if you think the captain is the one who is supposed to be competent in everything. Luffy is even worse than Zoro in terms of cooking, navigation, ship reparation and so on, but he is the captain. No, the captain is nothing else than the authority abord the ship and the first mate(vice-captain or whatever you want) is the one supporting him in the role whenever he is absent or falters in something, Zoro's role

 

[Punk Hazard]

You people are stupid if you think the captain is the one who is supposed to be competent in everything. Luffy is even worse than Zoro in terms of cooking, navigation, ship reparation and so on, but he is the captain. No, the captain is nothing else than the authority abord the ship and the first mate(vice-captain or whatever you want) is the one supporting him in the role whenever he is absent or falters in something, Zoro's role

Nami gives orders during storms or when faced with a dangerous portion of the sea, or when it comes to going in a particular direction, as Luffy can't.

Nami is vice-captain, confirmed.

 

[Bogard]

Nami gives orders during storms or when faced with a dangerous portion of the sea, or when it comes to going in a particular direction, as Luffy can't.

Nami is vice-captain, confirmed.

Why only vice-captain? Luffy obviously can't navigate. Nami for captain Lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

Why only vice-captain? Luffy obviously can't navigate. Nami for captain Lol

They're technically all vice-captains then, seeing as how each holds authority over a certain area that the others can't do.

 

[Bogard]

They're technically all vice-captains then, seeing as how each holds authority over a certain area that the others can't do.

Please tell me you're joking otherwise i'll seriously start to think you're more than just stupid for not differenciating tasks on board with leadership

 

[silmarill]

You people are stupid if you think the captain is the one who is supposed to be competent in everything. Luffy is even worse than Zoro in terms of cooking, navigation, ship reparation and so on, but he is the captain. No, the captain is nothing else than the authority abord the ship and the first mate(vice-captain or whatever you want) is the one supporting him in the role whenever he is absent or falters in something, Zoro's role

The difference is every other Strawhat has accepted Luffy as their captain
Vice-captain is not something Zoro can just proclaim upon himself.
Every other member has to accept that aswell , it has to be unanimous .
If Zoro would take a leading role when Luffy is absent the chances of atleast 1 SH not agreeing would be very high. Since everyone is equal Zoro his opinion or authority is of no higher then any other.
On the other hand when Luffy is sleeping or gone w/e and Nami would give orders no one would complain and directly do as instructed.
Outsiders opinions on who is the vice captain or first mate does not matter at all

 

[Punk Hazard]

Please tell me you're joking otherwise i'll seriously start to think you're more than just stupid for not differenciating tasks on board with leadership

The two main arguments for Zoro is the vice-captain are

1. when Luffy is incompetent or unavailable for a certain things, he takes over.
2. He was willing to die for Luffy and the crew

I'm saying these reasons are not good enough because each member of the crew have an area where they have the authority over and Luffy isn't good at, and each member is willing to die for the crew.

Your reasons for Zoro being vice-captain aren't specific to Zoro. They are, quite frankly, not good enough. That is the point I'm trying to make.