[Theory] Usopp is the first-mate of the SHs.

[ultraChalk]

Use a dictionary, just because it has the words 'first' and 'mate' in it doesn't mean it is the first mate to join.

A quarter master is also not a master of 25 cents.

In the One Piece dictionary, First Mate means exactly that. The first person recruited. Luffy further confirms it when he refers to Rayleigh as the 'Pirate Kings first mate'.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

He is the gag first mate. In reality however, Zoro is the one.
Whenever Luffy isn't there, the strawhat crew becomes Zoro's group:

- Zoro's group:

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- Zoro's side:

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- Zoro's gang:

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- Zoro and the others:

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- Zoro illustrated for the strawhats group in the box:

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- Zoro's group:

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Usopp himself recognise

Recognised by fellow supernovas captains as the first mate:

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And even a fanboy of the crew(so know them better than anyone):

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He is also the one in charge to responsibilize his captain and Usopp himself ask questions to Zoro about that

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Also, Zoro never acknowledged Usopp against Pica. It's Doflamingo who acknowledged Usopp more than Zoro by giving him(and Luffy as well) more stars than him either because Usopp was the origin of the rebellion or because Luffy is the leader of the group. Zoro was simply saying to Pica they made a mistake in giving him only 2 stars because his level of threat is comparable to them

Don't forget:

 

[Love Cook]

He is the gag first mate. In reality however, Zoro is the one.
Whenever Luffy isn't there, the strawhat crew becomes Zoro's group:

- Zoro's group:

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- Zoro's side:

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- Zoro's gang:

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- Zoro and the others:

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- Zoro illustrated for the strawhats group in the box:

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- Zoro's group:

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Usopp himself recognise

Recognised by fellow supernovas captains as the first mate:

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And even a fanboy of the crew(so know them better than anyone):

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He is also the one in charge to responsibilize his captain and Usopp himself ask questions to Zoro about that

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Also, Zoro never acknowledged Usopp against Pica. It's Doflamingo who acknowledged Usopp more than Zoro by giving him(and Luffy as well) more stars than him either because Usopp was the origin of the rebellion or because Luffy is the leader of the group. Zoro was simply saying to Pica they made a mistake in giving him only 2 stars because his level of threat is comparable to them

Nice montage, but it means absolutely nothing.

I can make the exact same thing about Sanji.

Not going to put that much effort in it but I will give you a few examples to prove it to you.

besides all the times Sanji has been shouting against Luffy (because apparently that is a skill you need to have as a first mate)

* Sanji was just as Zoro willing to give up his life for Luffy and the rest of the crew
* Sanji is now leading the 'curly brow' pirates with Nami and the rest (yes even Sanji has his own group)
* In basically every arc there is a 'Sanji group' (Sanji leading G5)

So that group thing means nothing, that is basically always the strongest SH + the rest. And most of the time the Monster Trio is not together in an arc because that would be overkill.

being recognized by others, what does that even mean ? If the SH's never appointed Zoro as a first mate, who are Urouge and Barto to do it for them. How does Barto differ from the fanboys in this thread.

The only thing that comes close to Luffy appointing a First Mate was with Usopp in the beginning of the series. Other than that the SH's are like equals and don't follow the normal structure of a pirate crew.

The ideal pick for first mate of the SH's would be a combination of Nami, Zoro and Sanji. But the right mix of intelligence, charisma, strength and leadership isn't there, that is probably why there is no real leader when Luffy isn't there.

Don't forget:

Don't forget that Sanji already did the same thing and speech when he kicked Luffy through a table when he wanted to say that Usopp wasn't his friend.

Singling out Zoro moments doesn't make him any more of a VA. For every Zoro moment there is also A Nami, Sanji, Usopp, etc. moment.

Just because Zoro shows some authority against his captain once every five arcs doesn't make him auto VC because you want him to be.

 

[Punk Hazard]

There is no first mate. Every single person on that crew is equally important to Luffy and to each other. A first mate would be regressive writing for Oda because he's already shown multiple times that the Strawhat Crew isn't a hierarchy. All the stuff you can say about Zoro being first mate, can be applied to another character.

Was gonna die for Luffy and the crew? So was Sanji, and so was the rest of the crew.
Has taken some form of command on the Strawhats? So has Nami and Sanji

 

[Bogard]

There is no first mate. Every single person on that crew is equally important to Luffy and to each other. A first mate would be regressive writing for Oda because he's already shown multiple times that the Strawhat Crew isn't a hierarchy. All the stuff you can say about Zoro being first mate, can be applied to another character.

Was gonna die for Luffy and the crew? So was Sanji, and so was the rest of the crew.
Has taken some form of command on the Strawhats? So has Nami and Sanji

Is that why everytime Luffy isn't present, the group becomes Zoro's group even when Sanji, Nami, Usopp and the rest are there?

Also, Sanji wasn't trying to die for Luffy. He was trying to die for Zoro. He judged Zoro was better for the crew than him especially with his ambition("what about your ambition?" he claimed), so he decided to take his place

 

[Dr Strangelove]

It's Zoro.

 

[Love Cook]

Is that why everytime Luffy isn't present, the group becomes Zoro's group even when Sanji, Nami, Usopp and the rest are there?

Also, Sanji wasn't trying to die for Luffy. He was trying to die for Zoro. He judged Zoro was better for the crew than him especially with his ambition("what about your ambition?" he claimed), so he decided to take his place

Like I said before, the group thing is just stongest + rest. It's not the best leader in the group. Because you have to admit that Zoro would make a terrible leader. He is just like Luffy and charges in and goes right after the enemy.

If Sanji was willing to lay his life down for Zoro, doesn't that make the sacrifice even more honorable if he was willing to do that for his 'rival' ? With the ambition he means the ambition to become the WSS. Also I doubt that Sanji knew that Zoro was going to be there, and he had the same plans to protect ALL his nakama, including Luffy. So to say that Zoro is the only one to do that for Luffy is a bit unfair. I think each and every one would've done that, except for Brook at that point. But only those two had the power to stand up.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Is that why everytime Luffy isn't present, the group becomes Zoro's group even when Sanji, Nami, Usopp and the rest are there?

Also, Sanji wasn't trying to die for Luffy. He was trying to die for Zoro. He judged Zoro was better for the crew than him especially with his ambition("what about your ambition?" he claimed), so he decided to take his place

Well, your Zoro wank is palpable to say the least. Sanji is gonna die for Zoro, the one he was explicitly stated he doesn't give a shit about? Of course Sanji would die for Zoro if the need be because Sanji would die before letting a nakama die, but that's not what was happening there. Sanji was willing to die for Luffy. If Usopp, Franky, Nami or Robin was standing there, he would have done the same thing.

And that's not true in the slightest. Multiple crew members have had some influence on what goes on with the crew.

You know why they helped the kids on Punk Hazard? Nami's decision
You know why they're helping the Tontottas? Franky's decision
When a storm roles in, and they ship is in danger, who's shouting orders? Nami
When they were on Enies Lobby, who opened the gates and who pointed out the Merry that allowed them to escape? Sanji and Usopp, respectively.
Who damaged Enel's ship to delay the god? Sanji

I'm gonna say one last time, then leave this thread: There is no first mate. There is no hierarchy. There is no Zoro's group, there is no Sanji's group, there is no Nami's group, it's the group period. All of them are needed, all of them stand on equal footing with Luffy as the ultimate authority. There is no first mate because Luffy would never put one Nakama above the other, Luffy will never view one nakama as more valuable as the other. If you really think Luffy is the type to rank his friends or put one above the other, then you know nothing about Luffy's character.

 

[decayed]

Nah man, back when aokiji and luffy fought one on one, Ussop couldn't believe sanji and zoro left luffy on his own and sanji grabbed Ussop explaining luffy's decision and zoro was the one who told both of them to leave it. This and thriller bark sacrifice and pretty much anytime luffy's not there in a serious situation zoro becomes the leader. Hell, zoro even told luffy that they needed to get their head together Back at punk hazard. Ussop is luffy's best friend though and that's why these two have a special connection but no way is Ussop vice captain. I think zoro and sanji share the responsibility of vice captain tbh

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

there are two pages where two different people say who the first mate is and people are still arguing lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

there are two pages where two different people say who the first mate is and people are still arguing lol

I can also show a couple pages where Chopper is regarded as the Strawhat's pet, and not their doctor. Does that mean he's their pet and not their doctor? Uruouge and Barto's words mean nothing, they're just observers.

 

[Bogard]

Well, your Zoro wank is palpable to say the least. Sanji is gonna die for Zoro, the one he was explicitly stated he doesn't give a shit about? Of course Sanji would die for Zoro if the need be because Sanji would die before letting a nakama die, but that's not what was happening there. Sanji was willing to die for Luffy. If Usopp, Franky, Nami or Robin was standing there, he would have done the same thing.

And that's not true in the slightest. Multiple crew members have had some influence on what goes on with the crew.

You know why they helped the kids on Punk Hazard? Nami's decision
You know why they're helping the Tontottas? Franky's decision
When a storm roles in, and they ship is in danger, who's shouting orders? Nami
When they were on Enies Lobby, who opened the gates and who pointed out the Merry that allowed them to escape? Sanji and Usopp, respectively.
Who damaged Enel's ship to delay the god? Sanji

I'm gonna say one last time, then leave this thread: There is no first mate. There is no hierarchy. There is no Zoro's group, there is no Sanji's group, there is no Nami's group, it's the group period. All of them are needed, all of them stand on equal footing with Luffy as the ultimate authority. There is no first mate because Luffy would never put one Nakama above the other, Luffy will never view one nakama as more valuable as the other. If you really think Luffy is the type to rank his friends or put one above the other, then you know nothing about Luffy's character.

I call my friend bastard all day. Does it mean i mean it? If you think Sanji really doesn't care about Zoro, then you're the most mediocre Sanji fan i've ever seen, not understanding his character at all. Sanji does care about Zoro(and vice-verse), but in that particular circumstance, he put Zoro over him. It's for that reason that before acting he said "what about your ambition?" and told Zoro and the rest of the crew to find a "new cook" because he is more replaceable for the crew than Zoro, because Zoro has greater ambition than him, so didn't want his ambition to disappear for nothing. He did wanted to die for Zoro. Saying otherwise just shows how pitful of a reader you are not to understand such a simple thing

I'm not saying the crew isn't equal in Luffy's eyes(obviously he cares about all of them equally, otherwise he would be a bad captain) or that they can't make decisions themselves, but what i'm saying is that Zoro is the first one the group(including Luffy) tries to contact and have an opinion on when Luffy isn't present, Zoro is the one who supports the captain when he falters. All those attributes make him the legitimate vice-captain of the crew. He doesn't really interferes in minor things, but when something needs to be said in order for the group to progress, Zoro is the one. The crew wanted Usopp to come back, and he is the one who gave the instruction of how the crew should be, he is the one who told Luffy that the captain isn't supposed to accept everything or it would become insulting

When Luffy lost to Caesar, the first one Usopp tried to give information about is Zoro and while he was taking it lightly, Zoro didn't and directly wanted to responsibilize his captain. This is the role of the first mate whether he gets that fancy title or not. Whitebeard had no official first mate himself, but it was obvious Marco was the one

there are two pages where two different people say who the first mate is and people are still arguing lol

There are always dumb people in this world. I'm pretty certain that even if Luffy gave the title officially, they would still refuse to acknowledge

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

I can also show a couple pages where Chopper is regarded as the Strawhat's pet, and not their doctor. Does that mean he's their pet and not their doctor? Uruouge and Barto's words mean nothing, they're just observers.

it was joke/gag
@bold yep you >>> manga also it was the rest of rookies not just him....

 

[Zorø]

I call my friend bastard all day. Does it mean i mean it? If you think Sanji really doesn't care about Zoro, then you're the most mediocre Sanji fan i've ever seen, not understanding his character at all. Sanji does care about Zoro(and vice-verse), but in that particular circumstance, he put Zoro over him. It's for that reason that before acting he said "what about your ambition?" and told Zoro and the rest of the crew to find a "new cook" because he is more replaceable for the crew than Zoro, because Zoro has greater ambition than him, so didn't want his ambition to disappear for nothing. He did wanted to die for Zoro. Saying otherwise just shows how pitful of a reader you are not to understand such a simple thing

I'm not saying the crew isn't equal in Luffy's eyes(obviously he cares about all of them equally, otherwise he would be a bad captain) or that they can't make decisions themselves, but what i'm saying is that Zoro is the first one the group(including Luffy) tries to contact and have an opinion on when Luffy isn't present, Zoro is the one who supports the captain when he falters. All those attributes make him the legitimate vice-captain of the crew. He doesn't really interferes in minor things, but when something needs to be said in order for the group to progress, Zoro is the one. The crew wanted Usopp to come back, and he is the one who gave the instruction of how the crew should be, he is the one who told Luffy that the captain isn't supposed to accept everything or it would become insulting

When Luffy lost to Caesar, the first one Usopp tried to give information about is Zoro and while he was taking it lightly, Zoro didn't and directly wanted to responsibilize his captain. This is the role of the first mate whether he gets that fancy title or not. Whitebeard had no official first mate himself, but it was obvious Marco was the one

There are always dumb people in this world. I'm pretty certain that even if Luffy gave the title officially, they would still refuse to acknowledge

+ rep I totally agree with this Zoro is obviously first mate U_U....even if Oda didnt officially say he's the vice captain there are a lot of clues because people within one piece automatically see Zoro as Vice captain and his charisma and authority is 2nd to Luffy...so yeah thats my opinion on that.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

+ rep I totally agree with this Zoro is obviously first mate U_U....even if Oda didnt officially say he's the vice captain there are a lot of clues because people within one piece automatically see Zoro as Vice captain and his charisma and authority is 2nd to Luffy...so yeah thats my opinion on that.

but he did....twice:

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Not according to the manga and the biggest strawhat fanboy:

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[Punk Hazard]

Zoro is the one who supports the captain when he falters.

And Robin informs the crew on something, usually important info, when Luffy can't because he's stupid.
Usopp shoots down things from far away because Luffy can't shoot.
Chopper treats their injuries and illnesses because Luffy has no medical knowledge.
Franky repairs damage on the ship because Usopp sucked at it, Luffy couldn't, and Sanji and Zoro are idiots who broke stuff.
Nami guides them through storms and dangerous oceans and navigates because without her, Luffy would get lost and die
Brook provides entertainment to keep them from getting too bored.
Sanji cooks and preserves food so they don't die because Luffy can't.

Funny, 8 different cases where 8 different people support Luffy when he falters/in an area he's no good in.

Strawhats have 8 vice-captains, confirmed.

it was joke/gag
@bold yep you >>> manga also it was the rest of rookies not just him....

By manga, you mean two characters? Bartolomeo, who, despite his fanboyism, doesn't actually see every waking moment of the Strawhats. And Urouge, who's seen one Strawhat one time. Yup, their words are cement.

The World Government, who have greater intel than these two men and track the Strawhats more than they do, regard Chopper as a pet, not their doctor. If the WG, superior in intel towards the Strawhats than Barto and Urouge are, can be wrong towards the Strawhats in term of a member's position, why can't these two men?

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

And Robin informs the crew on something, usually important info, when Luffy can't because he's stupid.
Usopp shoots down things from far away because Luffy can't shoot.
Chopper treats their injuries and illnesses because Luffy has no medical knowledge.
Franky repairs damage on the ship because Usopp sucked at it, Luffy couldn't, and Sanji and Zoro are idiots who broke stuff.
Nami guides them through storms and dangerous oceans and navigates because without her, Luffy would get lost and die
Brook provides entertainment to keep them from getting too bored.
Sanji cooks and preserves food so they don't die because Luffy can't.

Funny, 8 different cases where 8 different people support Luffy when he falters/in an area he's no good in.

Strawhats have 8 vice-captains, confirmed.


By manga, you mean two characters? Bartolomeo, who, despite his fanboyism, doesn't actually see every waking moment of the Strawhats. And Urouge, who's seen one Strawhat one time. Yup, their words are cement.

The World Government, who have greater intel than these two men and track the Strawhats more than they do, regard Chopper as a pet, not their doctor. If the WG, superior in intel towards the Strawhats than Barto and Urouge are, can be wrong towards the Strawhats in term of a member's position, why can't these two men?

Again that was gag like sanji's poster
and it's ok I think everyone agrees you >>> manga
barto = manga, oda is writing it......

 

[Punk Hazard]

but he did....twice:

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According to the manga, Chopper is the Strawhat Crew's pet, and not their doctor too then, huh?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Again that was gag like sanji's poster
and it's ok I think everyone agrees you >>> manga
barto = manga, oda is writing it......

Oh true. Oda also had wrote Enel saying he's the greatest being ever and his will created the world.

Oda wrote Crocodile saying he'd take over Alabasta and Luffy won't stop him.

Oda wrote Buggy saying he'd become the next Pirate King.

Oda also wrote Bellamy saying Skypeia doesn't exist.

Buggy is future PK.
Enel created the One Piece world and is the strongest character in One Piece.
Skypeia arc was a what-if
Crocodile killed Luffy and is now king of Alabasta, right?

 

[decayed]

Nah man, when luffy had the fight with Ussop, luffy complained to zoro about the burden of the captaincy being hard, and zoro told him that if he falters who are the crew gonna look upto, when the crew wanted Ussop back sanji and zoro both agreed Ussop had to apologise, when luffy was about to tell Ussop he can leave the crew sanji was the one who stopped luffy making a mistake, it's either zoro is the first mate or the responsibilities of the vice captain are shared between zoro and sanji