We still don't know if the SO6P obtained the rinnegan through the Juubi or before sealing it. It's really just all speculation.
I believe the Sage gained the rinnegan through his understanding and communion with the world of chakra much like how Buddha became enlightened through meditation and not through defeating an obstacle.
and if the sharingan was on the same level as the rinnegan, then I don't think it would need both senju and uchiha DNA to unlock it.
Exactly and I would love this stuff that Buddha became enlightened through meditation, that would be cool
nice catch and proof with last sentence. Rinnengan is better then sharingan if wielder on the same level talented in sharingan as rinnengan, else it depends on wielder skills with each eyes
Well, I see it as the possible Rinnegan abilities you listed aren't really inherent to the Rinnegan. The Rinnegan may give you access to use jutsus like that, but they aren't actual Rinnegan abilities.
Well, I see it as the possible Rinnegan abilities you listed aren't really inherent to the Rinnegan. The Rinnegan may give you access to use jutsus like that, but they aren't actual Rinnegan abilities.
I agree since creation of all things can make anything happen. Can't wait to see it in action. The reason I think creation of all things>Tsukyomi is because it would overpower it since he'd be making his own illusion and making it what's real.
The sage's deva path is much stronger than Nagato's since Nagato can only make a planetary devastation the size of a meteor and the sage makes on the size of the moon. overpowering susanoo's shockwave would not be a problem.
"Perfect Rinnegan user"? The manga never made a difference between him, Nagato, or Madara as far as how well they mastered the Rinnegan. That has always been an obnoxious myth.
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The thing that made him different from those two, was having the chakra of the Ten tails, and well, we've all seen what the Ten tails itself is capable of compared to the 9 and 8 tails, muchless what Jinchuriki can do [Super genjutsu].
I agree since creation of all things can make anything happen. Can't wait to see it in action. The reason I think creation of all things>Tsukyomi is because it would overpower it since he'd be making his own illusion and making it what's real.
The sage's deva path is much stronger than Nagato's since Nagato can only make a planetary devastation the size of a meteor and the sage makes on the size of the moon. overpowering susanoo's shockwave would not be a problem.
"Perfect Rinnegan user"? The manga never made a difference between him, Nagato, or Madara as far as how well they mastered the Rinnegan. That has always been an obnoxious myth.
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The thing that made him different from those two, was having the chakra of the Ten tails, and well, we've all seen what the Ten tails itself is capable of compared to the 9 and 8 tails, muchless what Jinchuriki can do [Super genjutsu].
^^ That may be true, but then why Madara explained that only these who has Senjuu and Uchiha DNA in their body can awake Rinnegnan. Besides Nagato wasn't original user of Rinnengan due to get it as transplant so he may not use all Rinnengan powers even if he really worked hard due to lack of Uchiha DNA in his body and most likely Senjuu DNA.
Moreover Nagato comparing The Sage of six paths's power with his own said that his own pale to Sage's power.
We didn't know about ten tails then yet so I assume that he reffered to Sage of six paths without Juubi as Juubiless Sage of six paths, who used last Juubi chakra along with his own to create Moon.
I respect your opinion but I think that Kishi hasn't shown all Rinnengan abilities just yet, considering that Original user as Madara has greater power over one of six paths technique then Nagato. Besides Obito as Senjuu/uchiha hybrid shown much stronger manipulation over outer path chain which binded Tailed beasts to edo Jinchurki, so it could be indirect message from Kishi that. Full potential of Rinnengan will be revealed but not yet.
I respect your opinion but I think Sage of six paths has the best mastery over Rinnengan techniques as well as His Rinnengan's techniques power was much more powerfull in compare to Nagato, I also believe that SOSP has much more Rinnengan techniques then Nagato
^^ That may be true, but then why Madara explained that only these who has Senjuu and Uchiha DNA in their body can awake Rinnegnan. Besides Nagato wasn't original user of Rinnengan due to get it as transplant so he may not use all Rinnengan powers even if he really worked hard due to lack of Uchiha DNA in his body and most likely Senjuu DNA.
The manga has never stated anything in regards to Rinnegan performance being dependent on possessing Uchiha and Senju dna. Nagato had all Rinnegan powers; the "7 realms". His ultimate purpose was to learn how to use Gedo Art of Rinne Rebirth, and he was able to do that and then some.
Nagato compared the size of a jutsu, which is proportional to chakra capacity. That has nothing to do with mastering an ocular power. Nagato's massive Universal pull required massivechakra and affected his lifespan. He was coughing blood while using Planetary Devastation.
You'd be insulting your own intelligence if you believed he was commenting about mastering the eyes.
I respect your opinion but I think that Kishi hasn't shown all Rinnengan abilities just yet, considering that Original user as Madara has greater power over one of six paths technique then Nagato.
Besides Obito as Senjuu/uchiha hybrid shown much stronger manipulation over outer path chain which binded Tailed beasts to edo Jinchurki, so it could be indirect message from Kishi that. Full potential of Rinnengan will be revealed but not yet.
The manga has never stated anything in regards to Rinnegan performance being dependent on possessing Uchiha and Senju dna. Nagato had all Rinnegan powers; the "7 realms". His ultimate purpose was to learn how to use Gedo Art of Rinne Rebirth, and he was able to do that and then some.
Nagato compared the size of a jutsu, which is proportional to chakra capacity. That has nothing to do with mastering an ocular power. Nagato's massive Universal pull required massivechakra and affected his lifespan. He was coughing blood while using Planetary Devastation.
You'd be insulting your own intelligence if you believed he was commenting about mastering the eyes.
^^ well that could be true most likely but this possibility that Nagato was reffering to Mastery over Rinnengan as well at least this is as I see it.
Obito himself is the "Outer path". That's the exact same chain used by Kushina. [/QUOTE]
Sorry but here I has to disagree, check this manga panel:
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^^ Interesting don't you think, I wonder how can you counter this ?
Naruto said that Obito's Outer path of Rinnengan is much more powerfull then even Nagato's - Manga fact
As far as I remember Obito's chakra amount shouldn't be much bigger then Nagato's so it shouldn't make any difference. Unless you think that Obito getting Senjuu DNA surprassed Nagato's chakra amount, then it could be that case.
But I believe more that either Obito having Senjuu DNA in himself could allows him to use more Rinnengan's power, not versality for now or Obito simply mastered Rinnegan beyond Nagato could, but that would connect to having Senjuu DNA as well.
Please consider that Obito isn't even orignal user of Rinnegan so even he couldn't use it to full potential
I believe it goes down like that(Potentail, not inheriting all these abilities):
(NAGATO)Lack of Senjuu DNA or Uchiha DNA + Not being original user= Limited amount of techniques with limited powers
(OBITO)Senjuu DNA + Uchiha DNA + Not being original user= Limited but a little bigger amount of techniques or same but with much higher but limited power
(MADARA AND SAGE OF SIX PATHS)Senjuu DNA + Uchiha DNA + awakening Rinnengan by himself= Potential to have Unlimited amount of techniques + The highest power level possible you can reach with these techniques
