[Discussion] Ulquiorra vs Shunsui

[chopstickchakra]

We don't know if stark is tougher or faster than Cifer...Cifer was pretty tougher....an he has a 2nd release.

Yea but stark knew he won't delivering no fatal blow.

Stark was ranked higher by the author, a lot of fans were more impressed with Ulq. so they act like he's stronger ignoring what Kubo put right in front of us, Stark is stronger than Ulq.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

let me break this down for you:

Starkk vs shunsui fight one: Ends with Kyoraku recieving a point blank cero that takes him out of the fight. Starkk has no damage.
Starkk vs love and rose: Love and rose roflstomped. Starkk little damage, took one hit and he easily recovered.
Starkk then receives a large damage blow from Kyoraku
Starkk vs Kyoraku 2: Kyoraku makes a minor cut on starkks arm, then kyoraku takes a high risk slash on the back that is shown to push kyoraku to his limits. He is sweating and looks very ragged after that attack. Kyoraku then beats starkk.

They were on even grounds at the end of the last fight, after a point blank cero and a major damage slash you still think that kyoraku had an unfair advantage. he didnt. he won because he was better. He out dueled starkk with superior swordplay. If starkk wanted he could make more wolves (not that they would help especially considering irooni involves cutting a particular color, not something explosions are good at) I also suspect that irooni forced stark to used swords because that was the rule of the game, to cut a color, not explode a color.


Starkk swordplay outclasses ulqiorras. lanza del relampago can be easily dodged as evidenced by ichigo. It can also be parried by swords. Ulq also has a large black stripe running down his chest that can be targeted. Kyoraku would use irooni and outplay Ulq, he would probably call black and ulq would try to stab kyoraku, the white cloak stops his stab and then kyoraku finishes him off. One mistake would lead to his death, and kyoraku can afford to make one because he knows the game, ulq cant make a mistake or he will die. takaoni leads to kyoraku going up and winning a clash because he was higher. Kageoni and ulq gets his shadow stepped on and then stabbed.

Starkk was very smart to have firgured out the rules to the games, but ulq wouldnt be able to catch on as quick and that means he would lose. he might never figure it out, he was never shown to be particularly knowledgeable in that way, he seems arrogant and is shocked when things dont go as expected, he is no starkk. It wouldnt be easy but stark high diffs in shikai low diffs in bankai.

Well first off kyoraku was never hurt from that cero really an he took a very long rest after being hit by that cero so I'm pretty sure that pain was gone...no he could not use more wolves if he could he would of have done so that game only works with cutting explosions still work,like I said plenty times before when kyoraku did his sneak attack the wolves went away for good what don't you understand? He had them out ready to finish off love an rose but they went away thanks to kyoraku,even the little girl voice went away an she no longer was saying anything to starkk....neat starkk with better sword play no he did not he used a cheap tatic an threw his robe thing in starkk face an then delivered another sneak attack.

Starkk has better swordplay? Sense when?..it can easily be dodge but he can also make more very quickly an he throws them very fast...stop with all this kyoraku will finish him off stuff no like i said before Cifer will just regenerate....all this stabbing an cutting won't matter thanks to Cifer regeneration abilities an without Cifer telling him the only spots you can hit him in to stop his regeneration it will take kyoraku forever to win an by that time Cifer will be playing the games just as well as kyoraku are playing them.

Kyoraku loses to starkk in shikai clearly an that's why he was going to activate bankai...an I see all of Starks opponents beating him one on one if they activated bankai.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Stark was ranked higher by the author, a lot of fans were more impressed with Ulq. so they act like he's stronger ignoring what Kubo put right in front of us, Stark is stronger than Ulq.

Is there really that big of a power difference between espada seeing as how grimmjow was able to win his battle with Cifer when they fought even though it won't no real battle grimmjow still held his own.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Is there really that big of a power difference between espada seeing as how grimmjow was able to win his battle with Cifer when they fought even though it won't no real battle grimmjow still held his own.

Only the author can say for sure, but I imagine there is to some degree. Grimmjow was only 2 numbers below Ulq. who is 3 below Starkk and I would assume both are middle numbers, 1-3 being top, 4-7 being middle 8-10 being the low, you have the top 3 the bottom 3 and the middle.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Only the author can say for sure, but I imagine there is to some degree. Grimmjow was only 2 numbers below Ulq. who is 3 below Starkk and I would assume both are middle numbers, 1-3 being top, 4-7 being middle 8-10 being the low, you have the top 3 the bottom 3 and the middle.

No 1-4 are top they are not allowed to use their release in Los nochas.

 

[chopstickchakra]

No 1-4 are top they are not allowed to use their release in Los nochas.

That's according to Ulq. who also believed Aizen didn't actually know about his 2nd release despite Aizen creating and granting power to him. Ulq. clearly liked to talk himself up. Regardless, Starkk is still stronger and so is Shunsui.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

That's according to Ulq. who also believed Aizen didn't actually know about his 2nd release despite Aizen creating and granting power to him. Ulq. clearly liked to talk himself up. Regardless, Starkk is still stronger and so is Shunsui.

No aizen said they are not allowed to use there release,Cifer did not just make that rule up...

I know kyoraku is stronger but not in shikai form...can't say the same for starkk Thoe unless those wolves can do major damage to Cifer cuz as we seen not even a bankai hollow masked getsuga tenshow from Ichigo can't even scratch him.

An no there is no proof that aizen knew of Cifer second form.

 

[chopstickchakra]

No aizen said they are not allowed to use there release,Cifer did not just make that rule up...

I know kyoraku is stronger but not in shikai form...can't say the same for starkk Thoe unless those wolves can do major damage to Cifer cuz as we seen not even a bankai hollow masked getsuga tenshow from Ichigo can't even scratch him.

An no there is no proof that aizen knew of Cifer second form.

We can play this game all day, there is no proof that Aizen didn't know about it and given everything Aizen knew, and his involvement in creating Ulq. why should we assume Ulq. was correct that Aizen didn't know about it? The only evidence we have that he didn't is Ulq.'s words, yet we have the manga showing us Aizen knew almost everything up to inserting the Hyogoku and the manga showed us he created the Espada. Aizen not knowing would be like the guy who designed the Gameboy Advance saying "Oh, I didn't know it could play GameBoy Color games too"

Show me the scan of Aizen saying they aren't allowed to release their bankai and not Ulq. because as clear as I remember Ulq. is the one who said it not Aizen.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

We can play this game all day, there is no proof that Aizen didn't know about it and given everything Aizen knew, and his involvement in creating Ulq. why should we assume Ulq. was correct that Aizen didn't know about it? The only evidence we have that he didn't is Ulq.'s words, yet we have the manga showing us Aizen knew almost everything up to inserting the Hyogoku and the manga showed us he created the Espada. Aizen not knowing would be like the guy who designed the Gameboy Advance saying "Oh, I didn't know it could play GameBoy Color games too"

Show me the scan of Aizen saying they aren't allowed to release their bankai and not Ulq. because as clear as I remember Ulq. is the one who said it not Aizen.

No the game boy thing was way off here's why,aizen gave them some power to begin with don't mean that they ant train which I they did seeing as how notitora used to be number 8 he trained got stronger an became number 5,same with cifer he trained an gained a new form an never showed it to aizen...gameboys can't train an become stronger in secrecy...aizen knew everything about Ichigo yea was never said to know everything about Cifer..heck aizen even failed to deluxe that Ichigo quincy powers was holding back his real soul reaper powers an instead called Ichigo a failed experiment...so no he did not know everything.

Cifer said there are two things that are forbidden in Los nochas that's is grand Ray cero an the release of the espada number one-4 cuz both could possibly destroy Los nochas...hmm I wonder who made them forbidden hmm my guess is the one who gave them that power an seen what it's capable of.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

No the game boy thing was way off here's why,aizen gave them some power to begin with don't mean that they ant train which I they did seeing as how notitora used to be number 8 he trained got stronger an became number 5,same with cifer he trained an gained a new form an never showed it to aizen...gameboys can't train an become stronger in secrecy...aizen knew everything about Ichigo yea was never said to know everything about Cifer..heck aizen even failed to deluxe that Ichigo quincy powers was holding back his real soul reaper powers an instead called Ichigo a failed experiment...so no he did not know everything.

Cifer said there are two things that are forbidden in Los nochas that's is grand Ray cero an the release of the espada number one-4 cuz both could possibly destroy Los nochas...hmm I wonder who made them forbidden hmm my guess is the one who gave them that power an seen what it's capable of.

didnt grimmjow use grand ray cero? it didnt destroy las noches. not even a bit destroyed. allthough the release thing makes sense (i cant see R1 ulqu destroying las noches, but the rest make sense to me)

 

[kotoamatsukami]

didnt grimmjow use grand ray cero? it didnt destroy las noches. not even a bit destroyed. allthough the release thing makes sense (i cant see R1 ulqu destroying las noches, but the rest make sense to me)

I said could possibly destroy las nochas not that it will an grimmjow likes to disobey orders anyway.