[Discussion] Ulquiorra vs Shunsui
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super yang
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kotoamatsukami
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First off he's not getting no clear head shot an second Cifer has wings to protect him he can just hold one up in front of kyoraku sword when he swings an will eventually catch on to kyoraku color game...an second kyoraku did not cut nobody in half he did not even cut stark in half with the "black" thing so I know he's not cutting Cifer in half.
chopstickchakra
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Its a good thing i never said he would cut anyone in half then. You know putting words in peoples mouth is generally looked down on by society, its a shame you always seem to have a habit of doing that.
Ulq's body is also white, so he could cut that too. Ulqs hole is black and cutting that would kill him just as it killed starkk. Ulqs wings are black and would get cut by one swing, cut by the next and then ulq would be dead after a 3rd. His regen takes some time, it is quite fast but it isnt unstoppable. Finally ulq never even used his wings as a shield, nothing says they can be used as one.
Shunsui shikai high diffs ulq, his bankai will low diff him. Starkk>ulq and irooni beat him. Kageoni can be used in a similar manner against ulq, the only reason starkk avoided a second attack is because starkk was shown to be incredibly perceptive, ulq would never catch on especially if shunsui never gave him hints. Shunsuis games most likely extend beyond what we have seen and as such he could keep switching games until he won.
Shiroyasha
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You're forgetting the fact that Starrk "Sneaked" up on Kyoraku first. Remember Wonderweiss? Yeah. Kyoraku was simply returning the favor.
kotoamatsukami
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We don't know if stark is tougher or faster than Cifer...Cifer was pretty tougher....an he has a 2nd release.
Yea but stark knew he won't delivering no fatal blow.
kotoamatsukami
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No someone said kyoraku would cut him in half with that color game I was just implying that won't happen...
Stark already suffered injuries that's the only reason he went down,an like I said don't forger Cifer has regeneration abilities his wings will just grow back an cut wounds will heal by the time kyoraku hits him again he will had regenerated ....he used his wings to block I high getsuga tensho unless that was just in the anime.
An like I said before stark won't at full power when kyoraku beat him,I don't see stark without cero guns or wolves beating Cifer ether..Cifer is not stupid he will catch on an dodge hits accordingly as well...an no what we seen from his shikai is its full power...an I'm saying the only game he needs to catch on to is the color game.
kotoamatsukami
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Naw If he really wanted to take him down for good he would have shot way more than one cero...I'm pretty sure he knew that someone at kyoraku level of power won't goingh to die from that.
Or maybe you underestimate the power of each cero, explosion size doesnt dictate power. And i dont think stark without guns and wolves is any less powerful than starkk with them, he is just using a different aspect of his figthing, remember how ulq summoned the lanza del relampago, it is just like starks swords, they are powerful like lanza im sure, they are cero swords. he wasnt weaker, and he wasnt out of wolves, he can make more
Not sure why this is still going. Cifer admitted only 3 espadas were stronger than him and Stark is clearly one of them.
Soifon and Toshiro needed their Bankai plus help from released Vizards to beat espada lower than Stark and Shunsui beat Stark with Shikai alone. The power gap between them is huge. In my opinion Kubo have constantly hyped up Shunsui (and Jushiro respectively) as the strongest captains, unbeatable together, and having reiatsu stronger than all their peers and predecessors.
I think Shunsui beating Stark the way he did clearly reflects that hype and then there's Bankai hype, the one he was urged not to use... Then he was made Captain Commander..... Yeah, Cifer is not winning.
Soifon and Toshiro needed their Bankai plus help from released Vizards to beat espada lower than Stark and Shunsui beat Stark with Shikai alone. The power gap between them is huge. In my opinion Kubo have constantly hyped up Shunsui (and Jushiro respectively) as the strongest captains, unbeatable together, and having reiatsu stronger than all their peers and predecessors.
I think Shunsui beating Stark the way he did clearly reflects that hype and then there's Bankai hype, the one he was urged not to use... Then he was made Captain Commander..... Yeah, Cifer is not winning.
kotoamatsukami
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No stark was not going for the kill simple as that he never wanted to kill any of his opponents as seeing when he fought love an rose an I'm pretty sure starkk knew kyoraku was not dead...
Starkk without guns an wolves is till the same strong as when he has them? Dumbest thing I've heard in a long time...the Wolves are his strongest ability without that an cero guns he is not ranked as number 1# espada.....an no he could not make anymore wolves cuz the little girl was gone thanks to kyoraku sneak attack if not for that sneak attack the wolves would have still been there.
Ps: no starkk swords are not close to being as powerful as Lanza.
kotoamatsukami
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When starkk sees kyoraku he was not like what? I thought I killed you...that's cuz he knew he didn't.
The wolves an gun thing is simple facts no need of proof there cuz starkk states while used get the wolves this is our true power meaning useing the wolves is when he's at his strongest....an seeing as how kyoraku could not get close to him while he was useing his cero guns is self explanatory....an again when kyoraku stabbed him the wolves went away he not just gone go away from his strongest ability an risk dying what kind of sense does that make?..being me proof that he could still use them?....
An give me proof of starkk swords being as destructive as Lanza?..an the size of the explosion does have a lot to do with the strength of the ability.
xanonymosx
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s1: Shunshui wins little easier than his starrk fight
S2: segunda would wreck him but he has his bankai hype so i would say tie until he show his bankai
S2: segunda would wreck him but he has his bankai hype so i would say tie until he show his bankai
The proof is that starkk power is to split his soul, he could make another lilnette if he wanted and that could make more wolves. lilnette made the wolves by splitting her body, therefore starkk can too as they are one entity. Same with starkk guns.
The proof of starkk swords being=lanza is that starkk is espada one, not espada 4. Ulq gets beat by him regardless of segunda. Im so sick of you arguing this, manga facts> your lousy arguments which take minor events and turn them into a series of convoluted ideas that mean nothing. Starkk forte was the cero and as number 1 his cero> ulqs.
At absolute best segunda = starkk, in that case shunsui still wins because regardless of your ideas, shunsui beat starkk which means he is greater than starkk, love and rose's involvement in that fight didnt matter, they did shit. ukitake didnt do anything but block a few ceros that may or may not have even hurt starkk considering your argument that starkk wasnt trying to kill shunsui. but if shunsui's zanpakuto was in the mood, the games would have happened sooner and the fight would have ended sooner.
kotoamatsukami
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An starkk implied a mere cero won't take down a tough bunch like ur selves to love an rose so if kyoraku is stronger then them, starkk should have known a mere cero would have not took out kyoraku ether unless ur implying love an rose are stronger than kyoraku?
You make no sense kyoraku beat a hurt starkk that was just sneaked an was not useing any of his real abilities,stark was even shown holding the sneak attack wound kyoraku gave him....an no with the guns out none of his shikai abilities matter cuz he could not even get close to starkk so how is he supposed to hit him?
The only reason he beat love an rose was thanks to the wolves without them he would still be getting his ass best by them.
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let me break this down for you:
Starkk vs shunsui fight one: Ends with Kyoraku recieving a point blank cero that takes him out of the fight. Starkk has no damage.
Starkk vs love and rose: Love and rose roflstomped. Starkk little damage, took one hit and he easily recovered.
Starkk then receives a large damage blow from Kyoraku
Starkk vs Kyoraku 2: Kyoraku makes a minor cut on starkks arm, then kyoraku takes a high risk slash on the back that is shown to push kyoraku to his limits. He is sweating and looks very ragged after that attack. Kyoraku then beats starkk.
They were on even grounds at the end of the last fight, after a point blank cero and a major damage slash you still think that kyoraku had an unfair advantage. he didnt. he won because he was better. He out dueled starkk with superior swordplay. If starkk wanted he could make more wolves (not that they would help especially considering irooni involves cutting a particular color, not something explosions are good at) I also suspect that irooni forced stark to used swords because that was the rule of the game, to cut a color, not explode a color.
Starkk swordplay outclasses ulqiorras. lanza del relampago can be easily dodged as evidenced by ichigo. It can also be parried by swords. Ulq also has a large black stripe running down his chest that can be targeted. Kyoraku would use irooni and outplay Ulq, he would probably call black and ulq would try to stab kyoraku, the white cloak stops his stab and then kyoraku finishes him off. One mistake would lead to his death, and kyoraku can afford to make one because he knows the game, ulq cant make a mistake or he will die. takaoni leads to kyoraku going up and winning a clash because he was higher. Kageoni and ulq gets his shadow stepped on and then stabbed.
Starkk was very smart to have firgured out the rules to the games, but ulq wouldnt be able to catch on as quick and that means he would lose. he might never figure it out, he was never shown to be particularly knowledgeable in that way, he seems arrogant and is shocked when things dont go as expected, he is no starkk. It wouldnt be easy but stark high diffs in shikai low diffs in bankai.
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