[VS] Ulquiora vs Byakuya

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Uliquiora takes this. Byakuya would well all the way up until Uliquorra's 2nd transformation then he's beat.....well unless we are talking Quincy war arc Byakuya then we'll, Uliquorra's looses i suppose.
 

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Ulquiorra vs Pre RR Byakuya

Ulquiorra should win this. It's unclear how stronger Byakuya during time skip got, but during Arrancar arc he isn't capable of defeating Ulquiorra in his second stage, while he could be on Ulq's level in first stage (which I am not sure he is), he isn't on Ulq's level when latter enters 2nd stage.

Ulquiorra vs RR Byakuya

Byakuya is strong enough to take multiple sternritters by himself and that without bankai. He wins this.
 

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Post-RG Byakuya stomps with Shikai. Superior speed + durability and comparable versatility with Ulquiorra. Feat-wise, he no-diffed three Sternritters in Vollstandig and eviscerated a Schutzstaffel. Ulquiorra has not shown the ability to handle Senbonzakura as it is now controlled by Byakuya as he is now even in Segunda Etapa.

Bankai Byakuya neggs hard.
 

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Didn't Byakuya get his limits pushed by Bankai Ichigo? Ulq swatted Bankai plus masked Ichigo with 0 difficulty in his first release.
Byakuya was pushed by Ichigo in the SS arc, and in that fight he didn't used Utsetsumi beause it was Yoruichi's technique.

Next, Ichigo from SS arc was stronger than Ichigo from Hueco Mundo arc, since he had conflict with hollow whole time.
Ulquiorra himself admitted that Ichigo's power at full (without inner Hollow conflict) was above his own. But it's unclear did Ulq's counted his secunda etapa.
 

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Not even close. Grimmjow bodybagged bankai ichigo twice yet was owned by masked ichigo.
He was 'bodybagged' because of inner hollow conflict. Masked Bankai Ichigo in the HM arc, was weaker than Bankai Ichigo in SS arc.

Bankai Ichigo beginning of HM arc (same PL as in SS arc) against Yammy. [ ]

Than inner hollow comes. [ ]

And this happens. [ ]

And than Ulquiorra after observing says this. [ ]

For the sake of argument, let's say that Ulquiorra only counter his first stage here.

Ressurection Ulquiorra is 4th Espada, while Ressurection Grimmjow is 6th Espada. Ulquiorra > Grimmjow

Now to Quote Ulquiorra: "How strange... The fluctuation of that brat's spiritual pressure increased... The fluctuation is amazing... at the lowest point he is just trash... [enough for Base Yammy and Base Grimmjow to take him] but at the highest point he is above me... [SS arc Ichigo > at least Ressurection Ulquiorra] where is logic in this?"

Considering Masked Bankai Ichigo in Hueco Mundo was still nothing compared to Ressurection Ulquiorra and considering Ulquiorra himself said that SS arc Ichigo was stronger than him, there is no debate here. SS arc Ichigo > Any form of Ichigo in Hueco Mundo (except maybe the one against Yammy).

Ichigo's power level was first time bigger than in SS arc during FKT arc, after battle with Yammy, when it was stated that Ichigo has 2x captain level reiatsu.
 
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He was 'bodybagged' because of inner hollow conflict. Masked Bankai Ichigo in the HM arc, was weaker than Bankai Ichigo in SS arc.

Bankai Ichigo beginning of HM arc (same PL as in SS arc) against Yammy. [ ]

Than inner hollow comes. [ ]

And this happens. [ ]

And than Ulquiorra after observing says this. [ ]

For the sake of argument, let's say that Ulquiorra only counter his first stage here.

Ressurection Ulquiorra is 4th Espada, while Ressurection Grimmjow is 6th Espada. Ulquiorra > Grimmjow

Now to Quote Ulquiorra: "How strange... The fluctuation of that brat's spiritual pressure increased... The fluctuation is amazing... at the lowest point he is just trash... [enough for Base Yammy and Base Grimmjow to take him] but at the highest point he is above me... [SS arc Ichigo > at least Ressurection Ulquiorra] where is logic in this?"

Considering Masked Bankai Ichigo in Hueco Mundo was still nothing compared to Ressurection Ulquiorra and considering Ulquiorra himself said that SS arc Ichigo was stronger than him, there is no debate here. SS arc Ichigo > Any form of Ichigo in Hueco Mundo (except maybe the one against Yammy).

Ichigo's power level was first time bigger than in SS arc during FKT arc, after battle with Yammy, when it was stated that Ichigo has 2x captain level reiatsu.
hole bunch a nonsense higher spiritual pressure does not mean stronger and he was talking about the hollow because it began to seep out yammy even makes it clear that he stopped moving him having his hollow interruptions does not make his bankai weak it just interrupts him in the midst of battle so gtfoh.

Makes no sense anyway since after the shinji fight he had no more beef with his hollow to began with so your post fail.
 

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higher spiritual pressure does not mean stronger
It does.

Espada's numbers goes by strength. [ ]
Espada's numbers goes by reiatsu aka spiritual pressure. [ ]

So, at least when it comes to Arrancars, spiritual pressure does mean stronger.

Same for shinigami. [ ]

and he was talking about the hollow because it began to seep out yammy even makes it clear that he stopped moving him having his hollow interruptions does not make his bankai weak it just interrupts him in the midst of battle
Which is what I meant when I said inner hollow conflict.
I actually never said that Bankai got weaker, but that his mindset was weaker and therefore that overall made him weaker.

Ichigo was not weaker because his bankai got weaker, he was weaker because he couldn't use it propertly.

Makes no sense anyway since after the shinji fight he had no more beef with his hollow to began with so your post fail.
Try harder with more constructive post.

Ichigo's mindset is bleh. [ ] It wasn't like that during the training with Shinji. TZ also pointed out that his progress is halted since he felt into despair. With Ichigo holding particulary the same power and with ****ed mindset he couldn't become stronger than Ichigo in SS arc who had clear mindset.

The source of Ichigo's despair is guess who. [ ][ ][ ]
 
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