Tupac was definitely not the best.

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Don't try to be all cryptic and blame me if I don't understand it lmao, that post was pretty straightforward. Also "gave a different feel" isn't a reason as to why he raps different than modern rappers like you said earlier. You say his lyrics had meaning behind them, well so does Lupe's and a shit load of other artists, you say he has passion and ferocity but Kdot has that exact same thing, you're just creating imaginary reasons for why Pac is supposedly better than any rapper today like some sort of elitist and I'm not falling for it. I'm out. Still the reigning champion
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A different feel is an explanation, its something that cannot be measured it is only seen. If you have ever heard of someone great or saw someone great then you know what that means when I say it cannot be measured.


I guess you are Maidana and just like maidana you gave yourself the title when you are not the winner. Fail

 

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You trippin' bruh. Biggie had a ****ing impenetrable style that made his music fun as shit to listen to, but Tupac had the ability to make songs like 'Change' and 'Dear Mama', which brought a different kind of meaningfulness towards rap. Tupac wasn't a rapper: he was a poet.​
 

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Nas Is better than Pac imo that's for sure. I'm not even gonna get into it though. Pac is overrated the best thing he had going for him was delivery, aggression, and mic presence
 
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You don't need big words to send a message.

You don't have to the vocabulary of Einstein to delivery a message
Who ever said that you did? That was never my argument, My arguement was that there are different levels of intelligence and complexities of lyricism in Hip hop, one of the main premises for whose substance is considered the most lyrical, or are average etc.


The rest I can agree upon but even so Pac was the best at those. Also, fans do matter, if no one buys your album then either 2 things can answer this....[/B]


1. People don't like lyricist

2. Your lyrics are not that good
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Are you quite sure about that? forget about liking lyricism, What about image? Do you know how many white rappers are slept on soley for the fact that they are not black? SOme of the best most lyrical rappers ever have been white...
A lot of them never got breaks with major labels because they were white and didn't appear "thug" enough. That's a very close minded argument you made.
Regardless that shit has nothing to do with what's written down on paper



Nas Is better than Pac imo that's for sure. I'm not even gonna get into it though. Pac is overrated the best thing he had going for him was delivery, aggression, and mic presence



lazy.. go on and explain, let them know JL
and peep this
 
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Eh, I don't get into that "whos the best" shit

2Pac is one of the greatest hes up there with Nas, Rakim, Em and so on.
 

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lol you kiddies...

1) Pac is just straight up overrated. Only casuals think he's the best, because they don't know much about hip-hop besides the well known rappers. Compare Pac to the contemporaries of his time and he doesn't stand out much. His flow, rhyme schemes, lyricism and even vocabulary weren't even that great. The only thing he had going for him was charisma. His death eventually elevated him to a God-like status.

2) Just because Nas said Pac is a great philosopher, doesn't mean he is. Nas is just showing his respect, like how Tyson does to Ali. Nas craps all over Pac, like how Tyson in his prime would easily knock out Ali in his prime.

3) Sales and chart positions mean nothing. All sales really determine is popularity and we all know popular doesn't necessarily equate to quality.

4) Eminem doesn't solo all. Nice try, to whoever said that.

5) Kendric is old news. He's aight, but nothing special. Just another braggadocio rapper. He doesn't out do Nas, but there's a lot of rappers better than Nas like Aesop Rock, Pharaoahe Monch, Percee P, Eyedea, Sadistik etc.

6) lol'd Pac doesn't have a better discography than Nas. His most lyrically conscious albums were his first two, which coincidentally were his best ones (my personal favourite is 7 Day Theory though). All Eyez On Me is just your typical swag-rap album. It would be HATED by hip-hop heads if it were released in this era. Nas has undoubtedly 3 undisputed classics in illmatic, It Was Written and Stillmatic.

7) lol'd lyrical greatness is based on cohesive storytelling and rhyme schemes. Pac was an okay storyteller, but his rhyme schemes were so weak. Is it a coincidence that Pac's vocabulary is quite low compared to the likes of Common, GZA, Eminem, Kool Keith, Canibus and MF Doom? Nope, it's because his skills were less than others.

8) Lil B is pretty lol in a bad way. Meme/ironic rap is just meh, but he's okay when he gets kinda serious.

9) The rest of the comments are just mind numbingly dumb.

Oh and again this whole best thing is based on opinion. At the end of the day, there is objectively no rapper who is the best.
Opinions are based subjectively, but skills can be judged objectively through rhyme schemes and what not.
In terms of technicality, Pac is nothing.

Really the only pplz who had logic were NarutoB and Invincible.
 

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Pac is obviously up there, but he's overrated. Rappers like Biggie, had flow, lyricism, and amazing story telling abilities. Big L's flow was amazing and he definitely was a lyrical genius. If he lived, it would be Jay Z and Big L at the top of the rap game right now.
 

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Big L was just a punchline emcee.
Pun is slightly better cuz of his multis.

Jay-Z is meh and always will be. He makes tolerable music that will always satisfy a mainstream audience, but he's never been a great rapper. His "legendary flow" was bitten off Biggie. The dude is a very astute businessman, so I'll give him that.
 

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People like Nas and Notorious Big and Pulbic Enemy WU-Tang Clan and Eric B & Rakim where easily better rappers then Tupac. I'm not saying Tupac wasn't good, I'm justing saying he is overrated and is thought by the common people who don't know much about Rap and Hip-Hop think he's the best. Nas-Album illmatic Is/if not thee best rap album to ever be made. It easy goes in the top three and if you disagree it is by far only allowed to be in the top 5 and if you disagree with that, then you don't know hip hop or rap. Tupac even knew biggie was a better rapper, he even tried to diss him just to stop the sales of his rap but when biggie replayed back Tupac couldnt , why? Because he knew biggie was right. Nas illmatic is a master art. He's a better rapper then Tupac and em and jayz put together.

If you don't like the fact that Nas is thee greatest rapper if not the top three or top five then:
Tupac is the best hands down. Nas is great no doubt. Definately in the top 5 but tupac will always be number 1. Just like jordan will always be number 1 in hoop. Theres no denying that
 

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Yes SasukeTheEmo is completely my right. NarutoB and Invincible are the only people here with logic. Da Best Ever logic is "if something is popular that makes it the best" with that same logic I can say this"MacDonald is the best because everyone buys it.BEstRestruantEvEr." lel.
 
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