Tsunade Vs Gaara

[Bogard]

Could go either way depending on the location, but i'm giving this to Gaara more times than not

 

[TheEvilOne]

Quote me where I said his were higher? Ill wait.

'Gaara has the chakra reserves to take care of Tsunade '

Srry, I thought you mean he has higher chakra reserves, which is clearly not true, considering Tsunade was the one who fully replenished his chakra.

 

[Prince Charles]

'Gaara has the chakra reserves to take care of Tsunade '

Srry, I thought you mean he has higher chakra reserves, which is clearly not true, considering Tsunade was the one who fully replenished his chakra.

I know that she replenished his chakra, but your mistaken I didnt mean his were higher, I meant his chakra reserves are not as low some people make it out to be which means he has to chakra to fight tsunade, of course her chakra is on a higher scale then gaara, just meant he wouldnt run out as fast as Agoodboy was implying.

 

[TheEvilOne]

I know that she replenished his chakra, but your mistaken I didnt mean his were higher, I meant his chakra reserves are not as low some people make it out to be which means he has to chakra to fight tsunade, of course her chakra is on a higher scale then gaara, just meant he wouldnt run out as fast as Agoodboy was implying.

Yeah, now I know what you meant.

 

[Erebus]

Tsunade wins mid-high def, think some experience will come into play, because most of Gaara's moves are really predictable

 

[paratise]

Wouldn't the 3rd wyw thingy make him vulerable, the eye seems to be directed connected to Gaara and is relatively show, if Tsunade was to Zap it with her electric, It should scramble his system rendering him defenseless and vulerable, and all she has to do I choose the way in which she kill him, so I doubt he would use the 3rd eye thingy.

Are you suggesting Tsunade would scramble Gaara's nerval system by poking his third eye?

 

[TheEvilOne]

Wouldn't the 3rd wyw thingy make him vulerable, the eye seems to be directed connected to Gaara and is relatively show, if Tsunade was to Zap it with her electric, It should scramble his system rendering him defenseless and vulerable, and all she has to do I choose the way in which she kill him, so I doubt he would use the 3rd eye thingy.

Meh, dunno about this. Tho you are right, the 3rd eye is connected to Gaara's nervous system.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Gaara low diff. Part 1 Gaara can debateably beat Tsunade.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Lol I can't take AgoodBoy seriously, Chakra reserves are of no problem for gaara as his are quite large.

Chapter 546 during the war we see

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chapter 547

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Manipulating his

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^^ Executes another large scale sand attack. And we see him grap his dad via sand.

And performs other large scale sand attacks after that.

chapter 548 he is still fighting and manipulating sand

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Taking into account of off panel and gaara going on to fight the mizukage, doing all this without getting healed or his chakra recovered to my knowledge unless you have a scan?

gaara has the chakra reserves to take care of tsunade.

So, let me get this straight;

He used;
1) Sand tsunami (massive scale attack -> Massive chakra drain)
2) Sand attacks on kages( small scale attack -> very little chakra consumption)
3) Sustained flight( sustained chakra absorption)
4) Sand attack with his dad ( medium scale attack -> moderate chakra consumption )
5) Sand Hail( Moderate scale attack -> Moderate consumption: No, it's not a massive scale attack. It's quite petty compared to tsunami, or something required to even take out katsuya. It'd need 20 of that for katsuya)
6) 'chapter 548' using some small scale attacks.
7)

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- > low chakra consumption
8)

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9)

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-> Moderate chakra absorption since it's not that many sand particles manipulated at once.
10) 2 x

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- > high chakra absorption x2
11)

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- > High chakra absorption

If we count it up; 1, 2x10, 11 = 4 High chakra consumption; Large scale attacks before

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. Even if we bump those 3 moderate consumption into high for argument sake, we only have 7 high consumption attacks( only 1, sand tsunami, being anywhere near katsuya levels) before gaara was exhausted. Of course, that's not taking into account the plethora of small scale attacks, sand clone, and flight he used as their chakra consumption is not that relevant.

Technically, you helped prove my point. So, thanks.

I know that she replenished his chakra, but your mistaken I didnt mean his were higher, I meant his chakra reserves are not as low some people make it out to be which means he has to chakra to fight tsunade, of course her chakra is on a higher scale then gaara, just meant he wouldnt run out as fast as Agoodboy was implying.

Did i say they were low? No. Gaara is a monster with chakra. But, against someone like tsunade who he needs to toss a bunch of mass scale sand tsunami's at while flying and possibly holding up a sand dome or sand armor ( 1 to 3x sustained chakra drain); He'd only be getting out 5-7 large scale attacks at best. 1 of those are broken by summoning katsuya when she's caught. While an extremely large one, which possibly has the consumption of 2, is needed on it's own to take on katsuya. He'd be left with 4-5 large attacks left. Another sand wave can be broken by tsunade smashing into the ground and repelling the wave with the sheer shockwave. The simply fact is tsunade can defend against his massive sand attacks while he can't even defend her punches without some extremely elaborate (flight, sand armor + sand dome) defence which causes a sustained chakra drain (confirmed by kankuro in part 1; and hence why war gaara has refused to make use of his sand armor).

 

[Booker]

Lel at this

Gaara stomps low diff. Tsunade has nothing to get past the Absolute Defense.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Lel at this

Gaara stomps low diff. Tsunade has nothing to get past the Absolute Defense.

I'm pretty sure Sasuke confirmed V1 Susanoo > Gaara's absolute defense.

 

[Booker]

I'm pretty sure Sasuke confirmed V1 Susanoo > Gaara's absolute defense.

Scans please?

 

[TheEvilOne]

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If this wouldn't be enough, Tsunade was able to break the swords of the

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[AGoodBoy]

Scans

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Scans please?

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Magatamas bust his reinforced defence

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Susano'o swords bust his absolute defence

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A punch busts his absolute defence

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And these guys are all infinitely weaker than tsunade(including those 5 susano'o combined)

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Gaara canonically has nothing to block this walking warhead

 

[NarutoIndra]

This creates an even further problem. Tsunade requires far less chakra to jump around than gaara requires to manipulate sand of large distances. The further that sand is, it means the longer he has to move it therefore the more chakra he expends. Couple this with the fact that simply flying on sand causes a constant drain on gaara's chakra reserves and you already have a severely crippled gaara. Next, we compound the problem with the fact that gaara can only use about 5( i haven't checked yet) massive attacks before draining his chakra pool and you reach a situation where gaara is in a potential well. Then, we add on the facts that Tsunade can bust out of 1 of these massive attacks with Katsuya, then gaara needs an extremely massive attack to bring down katsuya and we're now down to at most 3 massive attacks left as

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Lastly, just to stress to you just how incredible tsunade's strength is, as it seems you're underestimating it;
This is what tsunade did

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- No added Gravitational Potential or kinetic energy, just a simple hand movement which is easily achieved mid air.
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is what she did with a punch when drunk or some shit (can't remember the specifics, but her strength was restricted) - again, no added G.P.E or K.E.

You are heavily underestimating Gaara's chakra reserves. Gaara has a huge chakra reserve, and him constantly flying in the air won't really affect him as much as you're making it seem. He can use more than five massive attacks. And One massive attack is all that is needed to kill Tsunade. This massive attack being Sabaku Sōtaisō. She cannot use her brute strength when she can barely move her arms, let alone her fingers. Katsuyu also does not require a giant attack to kill her. Sabaku Kyū that engulfs the the entire bottom/top of her body would be enough to kill her, due to the dryness she would be exposed to. He wouldn't have to explode it, simply use it to cover Katsuyu. The attack on Katsuyu wouldn't be considered 'massive' since it isn't that large and Gaara could spam such an attack for days.

I know how strong Tsunade is, which is why I claimed Gaara would fly up. In mid-air she can't dodge, it's impossible, which is where his sand sets in yet again. He can crush her multiple times with Sabaku Kyū and she won't tank each one. He can one shot her with Sabako Taiso [

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] which would unconditionally kill her.

I see your point in her having decent feats to plausibly destroy Gaara's sand (potentially), jump as high as Gaara can fly, and use her vitality to fight for longer. But this isn't the case with Gaara, who can finish people off without depleting his chakra pool, and Tsunade wouldn't be an exception.

 

[Booker]

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If this wouldn't be enough, Tsunade was able to break the swords of the

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You mean when Sasuke was talking out of his ass and his head was blown to massive proportions? That is hardly credible.

Breaking V3 Susano'o swords is a different type of feat. A malleable defense such as Gaara's is better than the stiff defense that is Susano'o. Your argument makes no sense.

For argumentative purposes;

V3 Susano'o = Steel

Gaara's Sand = Putty

Now, we can all agree that steel is the harder, more durable substance. But if you can break a wall of steel with a punch, that doesn't mean you can break a wall of putty with a punch. That's why we don't use rigid armor plates anymore, because while they seem durable, a malleable defense is far better.

Tsunade isn't "breaking" Gaara's sand with a punch. If she trued to, she'll only get stuck and he'll have the advantage.

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Magatamas bust his reinforced defence

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Susano'o swords bust his absolute defence

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A punch busts his absolute defence

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And these guys are all infinitely weaker than tsunade(including those 5 susano'o combined)

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Gaara canonically has nothing to block this walking warhead

None of these scans you displayed actually show an attack connecting with Gaara. Try again.

Tsunade does not have Lee's speed, so that's a fail.

Tsuande has shown zero feats to suggest she can create a crater as Sakura did.

Sasuke was boasting like an arrogant fool, like he always does.

None of Madara's attacks hit Gaara, the sand did its job.

 

[AGoodBoy]

You are heavily underestimating Gaara's chakra reserves. Gaara has a huge chakra reserve, and him constantly flying in the air won't really affect him as much as you're making it seem. He can use more than five massive attacks. And One massive attack is all that is needed to kill Tsunade. This massive attack being Sabaku Sōtaisō. She cannot use her brute strength when she can barely move her arms, let alone her fingers. Katsuyu also does not require a giant attack to kill her. Sabaku Kyū that engulfs the the entire bottom/top of her body would be enough to kill her, due to the dryness she would be exposed to. He wouldn't have to explode it, simply use it to cover Katsuyu. The attack on Katsuyu wouldn't be considered 'massive' since it isn't that large and Gaara could spam such an attack for days.

I know how strong Tsunade is, which is why I claimed Gaara would fly up. In mid-air she can't dodge, it's impossible, which is where his sand sets in yet again. He can crush her multiple times with Sabaku Kyū and she won't tank each one. He can one shot her with Sabako Taiso [

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] which would unconditionally kill her.

I see your point in her having decent feats to plausibly destroy Gaara's sand (potentially), jump as high as Gaara can fly, and use her vitality to fight for longer. But this isn't the case with Gaara, who can finish people off without depleting his chakra pool, and Tsunade wouldn't be an exception.

Just check a few posts back when I show you war arc feats of gaara. He could only use 4 Large scale attacks in manga cannon; I even added 3 medium scale attacks to make it 7 for arguments sake. 3 of those attacks are busted by;
1) Summoning katsuya
2) Trying to kill katsuya
3) Her shattering the ground to stop sand Tsunami

the only thing i'll respond to is your repeated claim about sand xyz (be it coffin/pyramid/whatever)

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Kimimaro is infinitely weaker than tsunade who was strong enough, in a weakened form, in base, to swing gamabunta's sword. Gaara's sand literally has no feats to suggest he can hold tsunade. Not even in mid air will it work like you claim. Once gaara gives her that footing by wrapping her in sand, she simply jumps and breaks out of the hold. It's that easy. Maybe I'm making it sound too easy, but it really is that simple.... And this is coming from a gaara fan.

None of Madara's attacks hit Gaara, the sand did its job.

I'm just going to state that onoki's golem saved them from the magatama. And even that was partially broken. Gaara's sand broke to a few speeding cars and a bicycle, narrowly saving him, but you want to beleive it's going to hold up to the speeding 747 that is tsunade? Be my guest...

 

[Booker]

Just check a few posts back when I show you war arc feats of gaara. He could only use 4 Large scale attacks in manga cannon; I even added 3 medium scale attacks to make it 7 for arguments sake. 3 of those attacks are busted by;
1) Summoning katsuya
2) Trying to kill katsuya
3) Her shattering the ground to stop sand Tsunami

the only thing i'll respond to is your repeated claim about sand xyz (be it coffin/pyramid/whatever)

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Kimimaro is infinitely weaker than tsunade who was strong enough, in a weakened form, in base, to swing gamabunta's sword. Gaara's sand literally has no feats to suggest he can hold tsunade. Not even in mid air will it work like you claim. Once gaara gives her that footing by wrapping her in sand, she simply jumps and breaks out of the hold. It's that easy. Maybe I'm making it sound too easy, but it really is that simple.... And this is coming from a gaara fan.


I'm just going to state that onoki's golem saved them from the magatama. And even that was partially broken. Gaara's sand broke to a few speeding cars and a bicycle, narrowly saving him, but you want to beleive it's going to hold up to the speeding 747 that is tsunade? Be my guest...

Gaara isn't stupid. Tsunade will never get close enough to unleash a full power punch, and even if she did Gaara isn't going to be so stupid as to create a single sand wall to block her. He'll create multiple in her path that will inevitably slow her momentum and create and opening for Gaara.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Just check a few posts back when I show you war arc feats of gaara. He could only use 4 Large scale attacks in manga cannon; I even added 3 medium scale attacks to make it 7 for arguments sake. 3 of those attacks are busted by;
1) Summoning katsuya
2) Trying to kill katsuya
3) Her shattering the ground to stop sand Tsunami

the only thing i'll respond to is your repeated claim about sand xyz (be it coffin/pyramid/whatever)

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Kimimaro is infinitely weaker than tsunade who was strong enough, in a weakened form, in base, to swing gamabunta's sword. Gaara's sand literally has no feats to suggest he can hold tsunade. Not even in mid air will it work like you claim. Once gaara gives her that footing by wrapping her in sand, she simply jumps and breaks out of the hold. It's that easy. Maybe I'm making it sound too easy, but it really is that simple.... And this is coming from a gaara fan.

I don't understand the points you listed.. Summoning katsuyu and shattering the ground won't affect Gaara's abilities... She won't stop the Tsunami LOL. Destroying the ground doesn't mean the Tsunami suddenly stops, nor has she shown feats in which she can destroy this much ground aoe. Do you not see how tiny Kimimaro is compared to the Tsunami? [

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] There is no way her punch will shatter the ground to 1. Effect this at all 2. Reduce any momentum 3. Not end up dying.

Stop comparing Tsunade with Kimimaro. Kimimaro has CM and insanely hard bones which Gaara's sand couldn't even crush. He would have no problem using his full force while beign bound by sand. Unlike Tsunade he can put his hand through extreme pressure even when bound without destroying his arm. Only because you are swinging glass with 10 times the force of the metal doesn't mean the metal won't win. And Tsunade isn't infinitely stronger than Kimimaro. Kimimaro is quite strong as well.. You are simply underrating Kimmi because he had the worst opponent possible for his fighting style. Even if you don't accept this argument, which is viable according to Biology, she still wouldn't escape a Sand Tsunami nor would she escape the Sabaku Sōtaisō. No argument is present on your side to escape the Tsunami and the Sabaku Sōtaisō. Third Raikage escaped while gaara was crying (no concentration) and a jutsu which has barely any feats. And to be honest, the sand coffin may not be capable of killing Tsunade. But Sand Tsunami easily kills her. It's too much for her to handle without any special endurance feat. And byakugo isn't what I mean, she won't survive even with Byakugo if she can't breath. Same applies for Sabaku Sōtaisō. If she isn't crushed by both of these, she still is suffocated.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Hahah!! why are we debating this? Gaara makes fodder cream cake out of tsunade low diff. For one he can go air bourne and then sand tsunami the crap out of her and he can even take her on land,; shes not getting past sand sheild or let alone armour. This isn't even a fight.