Tsunade Versus Gokage Analysis

[Tazzilla88]

Then actually address it.

I did. You didn't. Manga didn't show it, Anime did ergo anime added it.

Where is the evidence Tsunade can react to someone as fast as Ay well enough to counter attack? Not block. Not make hand signs. COUNTER ATTACK. I'll wait.

Stop acting like no matter what Ay does he moves at the same speed. He doesn't physics disagrees. As fast as Ay doing what, jumping the height of a 15 story building on a slant? Well her reaction Madara is enough for that. Because common sense says he slows down. And he's not catching a single Kage on a blitz from 50 meters. When they are looking directly at him.

There is no point in debating physics. I've already addressed why that point doesn't help you. So instead of actually addressing the argument you type up this nonsense and expect anyone to actually think you make a shred of sense. And no, I've addressed every garbage point you've ever made in this exchange that I can't even call a debate anymore due to how dramatically the quality of your posts dropped. I looked at your post and told you I don't care about your opinion backed with no fact, because the Manga has already spoken the opposite of what you think is true.

He slows down or he's flying. There is no point in arguing that. You're arguing that over the distance of over 150 feet, 15 stories, 50 meters, that his jump off the ground will send him barreling toward her so fast she can't react, and that through that long distance, because that is the distance that most people will consider long, he does it without decreasing significantly in speed, whilst having no way to maintain his speed. Pure silliness.

Lmao. Good thing Katsuyu isn't a 15 story building.

Good thing she's as tall as one.

You're right. They aren't Ay. They are all shinobi who are far slower than Ay.

Yes Madz was so slow that he blocked Ay at point blank range.

Ay's speed feats have already been posted. Tsunade's speed feats are insufficient for you to claim she can react fast enough to actually strike him.

Proved earlier that she can react to his striking speed...

All you have are opinions. I have actual feats. That's why instead of proving and/or supporting she can react to someone of his speed well enough to counter with an attack with actual feats, you are making opinionated statements with no basis behind them. That's why all you can do is cross out statements and reply "Not Ay" even though the shinobi who accomplished said feat are nowhere near as fast as Ay nor are any of them as physically powerful as he is except for B, who is again, far slower than Ay.

Actually that is you, all I did was use the general argument you used for pages, in the same manner in which you used it. But now you're upset by it.

There is no difference. Stop trying to invent one. Shunshin is a burst of explosive speed. Chakra is gathered to the feet and then released causing the user to "explode" off the ground. How does Ay traveling up in a vertical slant change the fact that it's Shunshin? Inventing your own definitions and meanings for jutsu won't get you anywhere bud.

Physics says there is a difference between running and jumping. And as shunshin only vitalizes the body, he would still be jumping. So... I don't know what you're referring to? Also where did you pull your definition from? Not the databook

-B crossed far over 50 meters w/ Shunshin. Scan was already posted.
-Sasuke followed him across the same distance.
-B crossed that same distance again in V1.
-Madara and Obito jumped from ground level to the top of the Juubi. Obito and Madara are not as physically powerful or as fast as Ay.

And didn't you argue that B was unseen because he wasn't being looked at. The obvious question here is do you think that Ay will cross that distance faster than Tsunade can punch. Tsunade, who is faster than Mei's jutsu activation, and could counter Madara's attack before anyone else moved out the way could. Because none of these scenarios involve blitzing at all. And that's your half-baked argument. If Ay jumped so quickly then he would've saved Tsunade from getting impaled from Madara's sword. If he were out of chakra, he would have passed out.

Stop arguing that Ay can't reach Tsunade on top of Katsuyu. It's an extremely stupid argument.

Duh, my real point if you've been paying attention is that he won't do it before she can react.

Are you going to just keep ignoring these facts in favor of a fanboyism fueled opinion? Are you going to drag this argument on for 4-5 more posts before you post something along the lines of "oops, I knew I was wrong the whole time but I was just making up shit for the lolz"? Lmao.

But you're wrong here. Which is why there aren't scans of Ay being posted despite my last post asking for just that thing. The proof to your arguments not more subjective drivel.

I've already posted multiple scans of him and people weaker traversing far greater distances with Shunshin. Ignoring them doesn't make them vanish, it exposes you to be as delusional and biased I've already called you out for being. Debate's been over. It's just you fanboying at this point and it's pathetic.

But have you posted those blitzing scans, because that's again the real issue.

And people wonder why Tsunade fans aren't taken seriously. Because of arguments and posters like this guy.

Argumentum ad Populum

"Konohamaru strikes Ay from 50 meters because I said so". Prove me wrong.

Argumentum Ad Absurdum

That is Tazilla's argument. Funny how we went from elaborate descriptions of events and panels to arguments like this. Just goes to show you that he knows he's wrong but won't admit it until he wastes time dragging this on another 3 pages. :lol

Straw Man Argument

But new question, at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

 

[KidGamer65]

I did. You didn't. Manga didn't show it, Anime did ergo anime added it.

And I explained why he couldn't have been touching the stream, but of course you ignored it.

Stop acting like no matter what Ay does he moves at the same speed. He doesn't physics disagrees.

This was addressed 2 posts back.

As fast as Ay doing what, jumping the height of a 15 story building on a slant? Well her reaction Madara is enough for that.

This is based on nothing, and she has no reaction feat against Madara (inb4 we go back to stupid arguments like Tsunade was matching V2 Ay in speed) that'd even be considered a good feat let alone a feat good enough to evade Ay. Throwing around nonsense like "Katsuyu is the height of a 15 story building" isn't going to make your argument look any less foolish than it does now. Oooo 50m so big.

Because common sense says he slows down.

This was addressed two posts back.

And he's not catching a single Kage on a blitz from 50 meters. When they are looking directly at him.

This is also nothing but an opinionated statement. Last time it was "Ay can't blitz a Kage no matter what" but look what happened to that idiotic argument. The best Tsunade does is block. There is no dodging. And there is absolutely no counter attacking.

He slows down or he's flying. There is no point in arguing that. You're arguing that over the distance of over 150 feet, 15 stories, 50 meters, that his jump off the ground will send him barreling toward her so fast she can't react, and that through that long distance, because that is the distance that most people will consider long, he does it without decreasing significantly in speed, whilst having no way to maintain his speed. Pure silliness.

-First sentence was addressed. Stop this slow down bullshit if you aren't going to address the point explaining why this won't be the case.

-Don't make any more posts on this topic if you aren't going to get me those speed feats. The distance being increased isn't an excuse for you to ignore the fact that Tsunade needs some actual feats to react to and counter strike Ay.

"lolol but Kage" "but I l-l-love her" isn't an argument kiddo. The sooner you realize that the better.

Good thing she's as tall as one.

Too bad it's irrelevant because slower people have crossed greater distances. So you can stop arguing that Ay can't now. Too bad you can't even prove that without the idiotic scaling people love to try and pull off in a Manga where each panel isn't drawn to scale. In a Manga chock full of size inconsistencies.

Yes Madz was so slow that he blocked Ay at point blank range.

Didn't know Madara being able to block Ay meant that he can actually run as fast as Ay. :lol

Proved earlier that she can react to his striking speed...
Actually that is you, all I did was use the general argument you used for pages, in the same manner in which you used it. But now you're upset by it.

This isn't his striking speed. This is movement speed.

Physics says there is a difference between running and jumping.

Irrelevant.

And as shunshin only vitalizes the body, he would still be jumping. So... I don't know what you're referring to? Also where did you pull your definition from? Not the databook

Also irrelevant. Speed feats for Ay dashing on the ground or dashing into the air have been posted. Meanwhile all you can do is act like a moron. Typical.

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That is Shunshin. Do I have to post more scans of Ay and Naruto and B using Shunshin to jump? :lol Shunshin is not running either. :lol

And didn't you argue that B was unseen because he wasn't being looked at.

Did he or did he not cross the distance? That is the point. Those scans prove he can cross said distance. So stop arguing "Oh Katsuyu-sama so large he can't make it" His actual speed is why the best she'll manage is a block.

The obvious question here is do you think that Ay will cross that distance faster than Tsunade who is faster than Mei's jutsu activation, and could counter Madara's attack before anyone else moved out the way could. Because none of these scenarios involve blitzing at all. And that's your half-baked argument. If Ay jumped so quickly then he would've saved Tsunade from getting impaled from Madara's sword. If he were out of chakra, he would have passed out.

You mean Base Ay? :lol. Irrelevant. Outspeeding Mei's hand signs + jutsu sign, who was also tired, is irrelevant. Ay being unable to save Tsunade from Madara's sword, again in Base, is irrelevant to him being able to attack Tsunade before she can strike him. All you have here are trash arguments, shit logic and the usual tossing around of the Kage rank because Tsunade fans have nothing else to back their shitty claims.

"oo if he were out of chakra he would've passed out"

Do you even think before you post? Or are you just expecting me to think for you? Having chakra left doesn't mean he has enough chakra to utilize his armor's max power. He was in Base that entire exchange anyway. So mentioning it is irrelevant.

Duh, my real point if you've been paying attention is that he won't do it before she can strike him or dodge

That is your argument, and it's based on nothing.

But you're wrong here. Which is why there aren't scans of Ay being posted despite my last post asking for just that thing. The proof to your arguments not more subjective drivel.

Addressed.

But have you posted those blitzing scans, because that's again the real issue.

Addressed. Get me speed feats for Tsunade that let her evade or counter strike Ay or don't post again. It's that simple.

 

[Tazzilla88]

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

 

[KidGamer65]

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

This doesn't look like speed feats for Tsunade. This looks like an irrelevant question that repeats the same strawman you've been using for 3 posts now. Who said she can't react? I stated she can't strike or dodge him. From distances half or a little bit less than half of this people easily faster than Tsunade, one or two far faster, have either barely evaded or only been able to block people as fast as or nowhere near as fast as Ay.

Yet you think you can use distance as an excuse for why Tsunade counter strikes or worse, outright dodges Ay, someone she wouldn't even be able to visually follow, because:

-lol she's a Kage.
-lol she's my favorite.

Without actually providing some sort of feat.

:lol

 

[KidGamer65]

-Ay either jumps to Tsunade and knocks her off.
-Hits Katsuyu and knocks her off.
-Uses Raiton to briefly stun Katsuyu and Tsunade and then jumps to her and knocks her off.

Ay wins. You are gonna have to deal with it if you can't come up with any arguments better than this.

 

[Tazzilla88]

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?
Since you didn't answer my question before. Don't say you addressed it and if you didn't provide a distance because you are just trying to weasel out of the obvious conclusion that from over 150 feet away she can move her arm forward.

And I explained why he couldn't have been touching the stream, but of course you ignored it.

Because you posted drivel. There is no reason he couldn't have come in contact with the stream.

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

This was addressed 2 posts back.

You thought that was addressing :lmao
at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

This is based on nothing, and she has no reaction feat against Madara (inb4 we go back to stupid arguments like Tsunade was matching V2 Ay in speed) that'd even be considered a good feat let alone a feat good enough to evade Ay. Throwing around nonsense like "Katsuyu is the height of a 15 story building" isn't going to make your argument look any less foolish than it does now. Oooo 50m so big.

No reaction feat against Madara? How about batting away his Katon?


at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

This is also nothing but an opinionated statement. Last time it was "Ay can't blitz a Kage no matter what" but look what happened to that idiotic argument. The best Tsunade does is block. There is no dodging. And there is absolutely no counter attacking.

No it's an argument. I'd argue that each of the five kage react to him from 50 meters, especially if they have an aerial advantage.

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

-First sentence was addressed. Stop this slow down bullshit if you aren't going to address the point explaining why this won't be the case.

Because throwing a ball horizontally is a dumb comparison. The ball doesn't start on the ground and move forward at a 45 degree angle upward. It was a terrible analogy. It's why id didn't bother directly responding to it. Also the ball still slows down. Significantly than when it first left your hand.

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

-Don't make any more posts on this topic if you aren't going to get me those speed feats. The distance being increased isn't an excuse for you to ignore the fact that Tsunade needs some actual feats to react to and counter strike Ay.

Here is the truth. You can't answer that final question I asked without showing you know that you lost this debate.

"lolol but Kage" "but I l-l-love her" isn't an argument kiddo. The sooner you realize that the better.

Nice Straw Man maybe he could be put to use by scaring away crows.

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

Too bad it's irrelevant because slower people have crossed greater distances. So you can stop arguing that Ay can't now. Too bad you can't even prove that without the idiotic scaling people love to try and pull off in a Manga where each panel isn't drawn to scale. In a Manga chock full of size inconsistencies.

And blitzed?
at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

Didn't know Madara being able to block Ay meant that he can actually run as fast as Ay. :lol

I'm sorry did Madara blitz going up at that distance? No? Then why are you mentioning it.

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

This isn't his striking speed. This is movement speed.

Well, there several types of movement, like there's more than one way to do shunshin.
In order to hit Tsunade he has strike her, right? So if she can react to his striking speed she can counter attack right? Exactly.

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

Irrelevant.

No it's not. How fast he moves while using shunshin to run, will be different than using shunshin to jump.

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

Also irrelevant. Speed feats for Ay dashing on the ground or dashing into the air have been posted. Meanwhile all you can do is act like a moron. Typical.

See, I want to continue to dance but if you don't settle down, you'll get yourself banned. I'm a grown man. Don't call me a moron. Stop being so disrespectful. And don't say you didn't call me one you said I'm acting like one. By a simple matter of linguistic extension you called me a moron.

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That is Shunshin. Do I have to post more scans of Ay and Naruto and B using Shunshin to jump? :lol Shunshin is not running either. :lol

Literally the databook tells you what Shunshin is, and it's not the movement necessarily but the invigoration of the body. His movement speed is dependent on what kind of movement is using. Basic logic.

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

Did he or did he not cross the distance? That is the point. Those scans prove he can cross said distance. So stop arguing "Oh Katsuyu-sama so large he can't make it" His actual speed is why the best she'll manage is a block.

No it's not. Whether he crossed the distance is a distraction from the fact that you think a blitz will occur.

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

You mean Base Ay?

Like he couldn't reactivate his chakra cloak?

:lol. Irrelevant. Outspeeding Mei's hand signs + jutsu sign, who was also tired, is irrelevant. Ay being unable to save Tsunade from Madara's sword, again in Base, is irrelevant to him being able to attack Tsunade before she can strike him. All you have here are trash arguments, shit logic and the usual tossing around of the Kage rank because Tsunade fans have nothing else to back their shitty claims.

OR because Kages are demonstrably on another tier. But also she not only reacted to his katon when MEi couldn't do it before it reached them, but she met the Katon half way and swung her arms once she reached the distance they were act, reacting to them at close range. Thus no reason to believe she won't bat away Ay coming in from 50 meters away.
at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

"oo if he were out of chakra he would've passed out"

So, then, he could have used a cloak
at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

Do you even think before you post? Or are you just expecting me to think for you? Having chakra left doesn't mean he has enough chakra to utilize his armor's max power. He was in Base that entire exchange anyway. So mentioning it is irrelevant.

Given that he had just charged up his armor before Susanoo had begun to fade leaves no reason why he didn't activate to save her unless it was a moot point.
at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

That is your argument, and it's based on nothing.

Based on her having quick enough reactions to keep up throught the 5 kage fight. Nothing says she's blown out of the water from 50 meters away.

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

Addressed.

Subjective drivel

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

Addressed. Get me speed feats for Tsunade that let her evade or counter strike Ay or don't post again. It's that simple.

Look up.

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

Now, answer the question. Don't Pivot. Side step. Give some rambling non-answer

You posit 50 meters is too close, thus the obvious question is what distance isn't. This is the question that arises when you say she can't move her arm forward in time. So at what distance can she?

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Not purposely trying to keep popping in on this but I just keep remembering random bits that pertain to this. Tsunade also considered Naruto be able to keep up with Ay an amazing feat, and he was in V1 at the time.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Not purposely trying to keep popping in on this but I just keep remembering random bits that pertain to this. Tsunade also considered Naruto be able to keep up with Ay an amazing feat, and he was in V1 at the time.

And considered herself able to keep up as she challenged Ay to battle knowing how fast he was.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

And considered herself able to keep up as she challenged Ay to battle knowing how fast he was.

That doesn't mean anything. I can bring you numerous scans of people thinking they can take someone just to get the hands. She implies the Raikage in V1 to already be much faster than herself. Which is obviously true

 

[Tazzilla88]

That doesn't mean anything. I can bring you numerous scans of people thinking they can take someone just to get the hands. She implies the Raikage in V1 to already be much faster than herself. Which is obviously true

That's not what implied. It's implied that Naruto's Kyuubi Mode advanced him so quick in speed that he can go from his performance against Pain to his performance against Raikage. That panel was all about Naruto's growth. Not her abilities. She still believed Ay was faster than Naruto. As she knows he hadn't used v2

Oh did they do that with full knowledge, like she had? As she is the better taijutsu fighter. She is fast enough that she got to lead the charge on CQC against Madara. She is fast enough to intercept Madara's Katon, before anyone could counter. She's not some slow slug. She has an accurate idea of her speed and his.

 

[RedRobin]

That doesn't mean anything. I can bring you numerous scans of people thinking they can take someone just to get the hands. She implies the Raikage in V1 to already be much faster than herself. Which is obviously true

Ay asks for Tsunade's help in dealing with Naruto and Bee. So she is not simply overrating herself.

 

[KidGamer65]

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?
Since you didn't answer my question before. Don't say you addressed it and if you didn't provide a distance because you are just trying to weasel out of the obvious conclusion that from over 150 feet away she can move her arm forward.

Your question isn't an argument nor does the answer help you here. Don't talk about obvious conclusions when this obvious conclusion has not one actual Manga scan supporting it.

Because you posted drivel. There is no reason he couldn't have come in contact with the stream.

Then actually address what I stated.

at what distance does Ay traveling in a straight line toward Tsunade, does he become reactable to if he cannot veer off course?

An ignored argument is a conceded one. Same goes for every other statement you make like this.

No reaction feat against Madara? How about batting away his Katon?

:lol So Tsunade smacking away a Katon means she smacks away top speed Ay? :lol Imagine being this delusional. Again. Where are these feats? Because if all you can bring is her reacting to a Katon, something even fodder have done against the same Madara from a shorter distance, it's clear how terrible your stance is.

No it's an argument. I'd argue that each of the five kage react to him from 50 meters, especially if they have an aerial advantage.

Based on nothing. "Kage" isn't an argument. It's a pathetic cop out.

Because throwing a ball horizontally is a dumb comparison. The ball doesn't start on the ground and move forward at a 45 degree angle upward. It was a terrible analogy. It's why id didn't bother directly responding to it. Also the ball still slows down. Significantly than when it first left your hand.

The more force behind the ball, the further along it's path it'll take for it to dramatically slow down. The analogy is the same. Ay can cross far greater distances than what he needs to cross here, so why would he slow down dramatically before hitting Tsunade? All you can do is dance around the argument and then say you addressed it. Pathetic.

If your puny brain can't wrap your head around why it's the same then change the example to someone throwing a ball or a rock at a target on a tree 10 feet high as far as they can. It won't slow down because it doesn't travel anywhere near the distance it needs to travel before it starts to slow down.

Here is the truth. You can't answer that final question I asked without showing you know that you lost this debate.

Your question isn't an argument I need to address. My answer doesn't change the fact that Tsunade from the distance in this scenario won't bat Ay away. You lost this debate the moment you started asking questions instead of bringing feats. You also lost this debate the moment you admitted to dragging on your defeated points just for fun. :lol

Here is the truth: You know you are wrong but know that if you admit you are wrong, years of you preaching "Tsunade defeats Ay" amounts to absolutely nothing.

I'm sorry did Madara blitz going up at that distance? No? Then why are you mentioning it.

Madara dashed from ground level, to the Juubi. :lol That's going up last time I checked.

Well, there several types of movement, like there's more than one way to do shunshin.
In order to hit Tsunade he has strike her, right? So if she can react to his striking speed she can counter attack right? Exactly.

But Ay's attack isn't just striking speed. If your stupid logic made sense, anyone who could react to Ay's striking speed would react to his top speed yet Sasuke couldn't even perceive him move let alone react to his top speed. :lol Minato could only flick a Kunai in response to that. B was able to actually intercept Ay's strike. Try again.

-Naruto's striking speed is nothing special. By your logic Kisame should've reacted to his blitz+strike. But he didn't. Because he couldn't react to Naruto's speed.

And I could go on and on.

No it's not. How fast he moves while using shunshin to run, will be different than using shunshin to jump.

No, it won't. When B dashed at Sasuke he said the only one to ever evade his attack was Ay. B jumping didn't make his attack any less slower than it'd be on the ground. As usual this is just you making nonsense up.

See, I want to continue to dance but if you don't settle down, you'll get yourself banned. I'm a grown man. Don't call me a moron. Stop being so disrespectful. And don't say you didn't call me one you said I'm acting like one. By a simple matter of linguistic extension you called me a moron.

If you don't want to be called a moron, stop acting like a moron. It's really that simple. Don't jump through hoops when someone asks you to support your claim. A question is not evidence. My words don't change what you can't actually support.

Literally the databook tells you what Shunshin is, and it's not the movement necessarily but the invigoration of the body. His movement speed is dependent on what kind of movement is using. Basic logic.

And I just posted multiple scans that actually show the jutsu in action.

No it's not. Whether he crossed the distance is a distraction from the fact that you think a blitz will occur.

Where did I say she gets blitzed? Nowhere.

Like he couldn't reactivate his chakra cloak?

But did he though? No. He didn't. :lol

OR because Kages are demonstrably on another tier.

Not an argument.

But also she not only reacted to his katon when MEi couldn't do it before it reached them,

A tired Mei isn't a fresh Ay. A tired Mei is inferior to a fresh Ay.

but she met the Katon half way and swung her arms once she reached the distance they were act, reacting to them at close range.

What a stupid argument. She didn't react to them at close range. She reacted to them from her original position, and her initial reaction was her initial charge towards the flame.

-Tsunade sees flame. (Mental reaction)
-Tsunade dashes at flame. (physical reaction).

Thus no reason to believe she won't bat away Ay coming in from 50 meters away.

Knocking away Katon and outspeeding Mei, who has no real speed feats either, means that she bats away Ay? Are you even reading the stupidity in your posts?

So, then, he could have used a cloak

But did he? No. So mentioning that feat is irrelevant. Whether or not he could've used his armor is irrelevant. He charged in Base and couldn't make it, meaning that his Base charge is not fast enough.

Not to mention Ay not being able to intercept Madara from this distance is irrelevant to him hitting Tsunade before she can hit him from said distance. There is no correlation. Until you build one this point will remain as idiotic as the rest of your arguments.

Given that he had just charged up his armor before Susanoo had begun to fade leaves no reason why he didn't activate to save her unless it was a moot point.

Addressed. Didn't know him using his armor=Him being able to use his armor at top speed.

Based on her having quick enough reactions to keep up throught the 5 kage fight. Nothing says she's blown out of the water from 50 meters away.

Keep up with who son? Not Ay. Not Madara. So you can stop now. Stop using this trashy logic. Everyone else "kept up" with the overall fight. I could use this logic and argue "Mei can react to Ay from any distance" because of this BS.

Yet she can't.

And I see you are still going on with this pathetic ass strawman. Who said she'd be blown out of the water? Being blitzed, being able to block, and being able to actually counter strike are three completely different things. What I care about is her being able to dodge or counter strike. Misconstruing the argument doesn't make your own look any stronger. It makes you look stupid. At best she can block. She's not counter striking and there's no way in hell she's dodging him. "50m 50m 50m" isn't an argument without the feats to actually back it up. It being Tsunade doesn't make your argument any stronger. Her being your fav is irrelevant. Her being a Kage isn't an argument for whether or not she can counter. At best that lets you prove she won't be blitzed, which isn't the argument in the first place.

Now, answer the question. Don't Pivot. Side step. Give some rambling non-answer

Irrelevant question. Me answering your question or not doesn't change the fact you can't prove your stance. What distance is close enough is doesn't change the fact that this distance is not. If you could actually prove your point you would've posted feats (not that illogical trash you tried to push above) by now instead of repeating a dumb question.

 

[Tazzilla88]

That's interesting without knowing my next argument you can tell me that the answer to my question won't help me. You must be psychic.

Oh great psychic one, I simply want the wisdom you've been denying for the last 4 of your posts. For if you know that 50 meters is too close to react you must know what distance is not

Oh great psychic one I entreat you. Perhaps you do know which arguments I wish to pose. Assert them so that I may see the error in my ways, if then I am a moron you must help me.

Please allow your wisdom to Shepard me from my ignorance. I thought irrelevant meant "having no importance or relation to what is being considered" and as we are discussing if Tsunade can respond at a certain distance I assumed the distance which she could respond to is relevant. I thought speed = distance/time and thus at a certain distance my logic leads me to believe that one must be able to react.

Oh venerable psychic, give me the answer to my question. That I become enlightened on Ay's power.

Is it 5m, 25m, 50m, 60m, 75m, 85m, 100m, 150m, 300m, 1km?

 

[DemonicAvenger]

That's not what implied. It's implied that Naruto's Kyuubi Mode advanced him so quick in speed that he can go from his performance against Pain to his performance against Raikage. That panel was all about Naruto's growth. Not her abilities. She still believed Ay was faster than Naruto. As she knows he hadn't used v2

Oh did they do that with full knowledge, like she had? As she is the better taijutsu fighter. She is fast enough that she got to lead the charge on CQC against Madara. She is fast enough to intercept Madara's Katon, before anyone could counter. She's not some slow slug. She has an accurate idea of her speed and his.

Your just making up portrayal now. Growth on Narutos abilities or his performance against Pain was never mentioned. She spoke very plainly and her statement is quite literally what it means, she thinks keeping up with Ay is incredible. If it was her remarking on his growth then she would have done so on her own violation, not as a response to Naruto calling Ay fast.

No proof she had full intel at that point. Don't try and say that her position as Kage somehow validates her having it either.

Ay asks for Tsunade's help in dealing with Naruto and Bee. So she is not simply overrating herself.

Irrelevant as it doesn't validate any claims being made here.

 

[RedRobin]

Um. I hate to break it to you, but that's not a special attribute of Katsuyu. That's literally how force works regardless of the object. If a force isn't strong enough to make it past target A, target B isn't going to be pushed back by said force. like I said. A mattress would soften the fall of anyone else in any similar situation, doesn't just have to be Naruto's situation so whether or not a mattress would protect him is irrelevant, yet a mattress can be moved by physical strikes.

Katsuyu's weight is irrelevant in that scenario. Her durability and the nature of her body is why Naruto wasn't hurt by the fall. What you are saying doesn't even make sense.

That example isn't even a good example for your claim because that's Katsuyu cushioning a fall. Irrelevant to whether or not physical hits can move Katsuyu as they are not the same situation. And I've already shown that Ay can move weight on par with Katsuyu's. The absorbing thing is irrelevant. You are taking a typical law of physics and trying to twist it into something it's not. Don't argue things you don't understand. Katsuyu being able to cushion a fall doesn't mean that Katsuyu can't be moved by physical force nor is that what her DB entry states.

Physical force doesn't do damage. Nothing more. Nothing less. That's it.

But not all objects can do that to the extent Katsuyu can.

Sure a mattress would be moved but then to fully discuss this example we would have to increase the mattress size proportional to Katsuyu so would you say the same thing that a mattress of that size could be moved a physical strike?

Her weight is relevant to show how much of an impact she made with the drop. Of course that doesnt make sense as that wasnt what I was talking about, what I was saying was Big Katsuyu's weight(Which is scaled based on the segment's weight) as well as her ability wouldnt allow Ay to move her. I agree he could move a smaller Katsuyu sure.

That is a perfect example of her absorbing an impact which is all I said about it. Then I took that ability to absorb impacts and scaled it to the big Katsuyu.

Ay didnt move anything, he cut through the horn and Hachibi

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. Even if I agreed he moved it that would still only be the head and not the Hachibi itself while Katsuyu is one big mass with really no place to hit that would drag the rest of the body somewhere.

Furthermore the biggest portion Tsunade can summon of Katsuyu is 5% which would be

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while the one she summons in base that matches up with Bijuu is much smaller.

Overall saying Ay could possibly move Katsuyu was a really bad point as its not happening.

 

[RedRobin]

Irrelevant as it doesn't validate any claims being made here.

Why?......

 

[KidGamer65]

That's interesting without knowing my next argument you can tell me that the answer to my question won't help me. You must be psychic.

Oh great psychic one, I simply want the wisdom you've been denying for the last 4 of your posts. For if you know that 50 meters is too close to react you must know what distance is not

Oh great psychic one I entreat you. Perhaps you do know which arguments I wish to pose. Assert them so that I may see the error in my ways, if then I am a moron you must help me.

Please allow your wisdom to Shepard me from my ignorance. I thought irrelevant meant "having no importance or relation to what is being considered" and as we are discussing if Tsunade can respond at a certain distance I assumed the distance which she could respond to is relevant. I thought speed = distance/time and thus at a certain distance my logic leads me to believe that one must be able to react.

Oh venerable psychic, give me the answer to my question. That I become enlightened on Ay's power.

Is it 5m, 25m, 50m, 60m, 75m, 85m, 100m, 150m, 300m, 1km?

Bold makes no sense, and the rest of this aren't Tsunade's feats. So when you can bring those then we can talk. Me answering your question won't create feats for Tsunade nor will it make you sound any less stupid than you already do. Ay dashes at her and knocks her off Katsuyu. There is no counter attack and there is no evasion. The feats have been provided. You've yet to actually say anything of relevance or substance. End of story.

But not all objects can do that to the extent Katsuyu can.

Which is irrelevant to her being able to be moved or not.

Sure a mattress would be moved but then to fully discuss this example we would have to increase the mattress size proportional to Katsuyu so would you say the same thing that a mattress of that size could be moved a physical strike?

Which is irrelevant to your actual claim, that she absorbs physical attacks "just cuz". Could a mattress of that size be moved? Yes. With a strong enough physical strike. There is no special attribute that makes Katsuyu immune to the laws of physics.

Her weight is relevant to show how much of an impact she made with the drop. Of course that doesnt make sense as that wasnt what I was talking about, what I was saying was Big Katsuyu's weight(Which is scaled based on the segment's weight) as well as her ability wouldnt allow Ay to move her. I agree he could move a smaller Katsuyu sure.

That is a perfect example of her absorbing an impact which is all I said about it. Then I took that ability to absorb impacts and scaled it to the big Katsuyu.

No, it's a trash point. Again, you are showing that you have no idea what you are talking about. Don't argue things you can't understand. :lol Her being able to shield Naruto from the impact of the fall doesn't translate to her being able to take a physical strike and not budge at all given the strike is strong enough to move something of her weight.

Ay didnt move anything, he cut through the horn and Hachibi

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. Even if I agreed he moved it that would still only be the head and not the Hachibi itself while Katsuyu is one big mass with really no place to hit that would drag the rest of the body somewhere.

It moved. :lol There is no arguing against that. It's head was in it's regular position before Ay Karate Chopped it, and it moved downwards after he Karate Chopped it. Not to mention this wasn't the only piece of evidence. Is this all you two can do? Deny deny deny and make stuff up? My god. Why don't you go address my post to YOU instead of trying to help Tazilla push this dumb point? I'm extremely curious on what nonsense you'll bring up next to prove Tsunade can keep up with Ay's top speed.

Furthermore the biggest portion Tsunade can summon of Katsuyu is 5% which would be

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while the one she summons in base that matches up with Bijuu is much smaller.

The biggest portion she can summon alone is the one she traditionally summons in the Manga. :lol Nothing more, nothing less.

Overall saying Ay could possibly move Katsuyu was a really bad point as its not happening.

Based on what you've typed here? Absolutely not because none of it makes any sense. It's just you arguing things you can't comprehend instead of simply admitting that you don't know what you are talking about so someone can help you understand. Cause you are only making yourself look dumb. Not me. :lol

-Objects withstand force because of durability.
-Katsuyu cushioning Naruto from the fall means that the force from the fall can't pass through Katsuyu and hurt Naruto because she is too durable+her boneless nature.
-None of this means you are immune to being pushed by a physical force as that relies on weight and the force hitting you. Not durability.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Why?......

Give me one good reason Ay asking her to help in a fight magically makes her capable of reacting to him

 

[Tazzilla88]

That's what I thought KG. You won't answer because we both know the answer means your loss. So you going to insult your way out of this. This isn't mean girls.
Fine I'll end this another way.
Tsunade uses t/s ninjutsu and summons Katsuyu directly on top of Ay. And since it is a teleportation Jutsu, Ay isn't fast enough to dodge since said teleportation would be instant. Medical ninjutsu. Game over.

 

[KidGamer65]

That's what I thought KG. You won't answer because we both know the answer means your loss. So you going to insult your way out of this. This isn't mean girls.
Fine I'll end this another way.
Tsunade uses t/s ninjutsu and summons Katsuyu directly on top of Ay. And since it is a teleportation Jutsu, Ay isn't fast enough to dodge since said teleportation would be instant. Medical ninjutsu. Game over.

Me answering your question doesn't change this scenario. If you want to know the distance you can calculate it on your own. Trash posts and walls don't work son. Crying about insults won't change the fact that at the end of the day I've yet to see these amazing speed feats from Tsunade. Since you can't provide said feats you just want me to answer your question so you can twist that number (which would be based on nothing which is why I'm not answering your dumbass question) into something that would help your argument. Why do you need my words to prove your point? :lol Pathetic.

The distance between Tsunade and Katsuyu and Ay on the ground is not a distance where Tsunade will dodge or counter strike Ay. That is the only relevant assessment you need to know. So stop dancing around the facts and start arguing like you have common sense. Is this all you can do when your stupid walls of text fail you? Shit post?

Assuming it made sense, which it wouldn't because it's coming from you. :lol

Yawn. Look guys, another trash argument. (Come on now. Is this really the best you can do?) It being instant doesn't change the fact that Tsunade needs to jump above Ay, make the hand signs for the summoning and then actually summon.

-She tries this stupid stunt.
-Ay dodges before she can even finish making the hand signs.
-We are back at the point where you can't prove any of your arguments.

Or Ay simply dashes at her using his top speed and hits her right off the bat since she can't react. :lol Nulling this entire strategy and the entire pitiful argument you were trying to push. This argument went from Tsunade vs. Ay to Katsuyu vs. Ay. :lol

If Tsunade starts off w/ Katsuyu summoned or she is far enough away at the start she stands a chance of winning. If not Ay blitzes and then it's a downhill battle for her. Period. End of story.