Tsunade Versus Gokage Analysis

RedRobin

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Mar 27, 2014
Messages
12,931
Kin
5💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Now if we base this on the their battle against Madara, Tsunade and Onoki definitely come out at the top. Both of them standing off against Madara countless times.Onoki using willpower to break through pollen technique and finally Tsunade being the last kage 'standing' lol at the end. Now Gaara certainly did more in other battles so he would also vie for a spot at the top. Ay and Mei, they did the least amount of work in the war arc.

Little overview on how she would do against the Gokage.

Against Onoki

  • Rock Golems get or with acid.
  • If Onoki decides to get close to Tsunade to use weighted boulder that would simply put him right in Tsunade's hands to crush him.
  • She could definitely jump out of the range of a cube jinton but a pillar would kill her.
  • Tsunade would never really be able to counterattack with Onoki in the air.

Onoki low diff.

Against Gaara

Tsunade can and would be able to if sand covered her whole body but eventually it will come to a point where Katsuyu would be summoned [ ]-[ ]-[ ].

You must be registered for see images



[ ]

Now Katsuyu's liquid form outright ruins Gaara's sand abilities.

She can control the liquid as shown when she uses her liquid to travel quickly across the battlefield and when she absorbs Sakura, you can see the liquid was moved around Sakura's body to take her in and then release her.

Its similar to how the 2nd Mizukage was constantly oozing out of Gaara's sand because it seeped through and couldnt contain his liquid form. But with Katsuyu its even better due to the sheer size of Katsuyu's amount of liquid compared to the Mizukage. This also stops Gaara's sand sealing justu like the pyramid which the Mizukage couldnt ooze out of due to the amount of sand.

Now if Gaara tries to use the sand on Katsuyu she can turn to liquid and ooze right out of any sand Gaara uses. She could completely cover all the sand Gaara has on the battlefield completely nullifying Gaara's abilities.


NINJUTSU; Katsuyu Daibunretsu (Katsuyu's Grand Division of the Slugs*)
User: Katsuyu
Supplementary; Rank: none

Main text

Capturing her is impossible already! Because she is a boneless mollusk, she has a fantastical ability to transform at will, that of deciding to divide her whole body or to reunite it. All physical attacks are nullified before this technique. No matter how violent the strike, it won't amount to more than a fruitless attempt. The enemy will just exhaust themselves accordingly and eventually fall to the ground.

Caption
-Her mollusk's body, which has no part that can be grasped, brings forth a full-body division!

Picture comment

-She avoids the attacks by dividing her whole body. And she did so with ease, even against Manda, Orochimaru's summoned Great Snake's firm and tight grip.


Another piece of evidence is capturing her is impossible already because of her division but it would be even harder in her liquid from. Gaara wont be able to trap her in his sand.

The only problem would be if Gaara stays in the air which would be the opposite of fighting. Eventually he will deplete his reserves while Tsunade has loads of chakra and stamina to continue to fight.

Katsuyu scaled to Gaara's stand amount:

You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images
Largest amount of sand Gaara has shown to use in an neutral area meaning no desert.


Tsunade high diff.


Against Ay

Now these two are so similar but lets compare stats.


|Strength|
Tsunade

|Speed|
Ay

|Durability|​
Ay​
*Was fine after Mabui's teleportation technique while Tsunade took minor cuts.

|Life Force|​
Tsunade
*Survived while Ay but was dying.​

|Chakra|
Tsunade
*Supplied chakra to a whole village.​

|Taijustu|
Equal

|Intelligence|​
Tsunade
*Strategically preformed better throughout the war Arc rationally.​


They are pretty similar both based mostly in taijustu with high reserves and durability. Except Tsunade has medical ninjustu plus Katsuyu.

The only thing that speed helps in is an initial blitz which Tsunade can easily survive due to regeneration after that Ay becomes a one trick pony where Tsunade can guess where he will attack next and counter strike.

Ay can only deal out blunt force hits, he cant use speed and precision in his attacks to cut Tsunade apart because his striking speed cannot keep up with his foot speed. The only time Ay has shown to be able to cut through something was when he was cutting his arm off. All his other attacks have simple been blunt force [ ][ ][ ].

A lariat cant take anyone's head off. You need two people to use a . Only thing the lariat will do is . Tsunade is more durable than Sasuke and Byakugo allows her to .

For Ay to use the powerbomb he would need to actually but he wont be able to do that because Tsunade would simply over power him.

Ay has a hard shell but when you break through that shell he becomes severely weakened, once he starts bleeding then he will become slower, all Tsunade needs is one shot which she can accomplish though playing possum which surprised Madara to then change the state of the battle.


High diff either way.


Against Mei

Acid mist wont affect Tsunade due to regeneration. This is how fast it was Sasuke and this is how fast Tsunade heals from . Acid is most effective in a closed space but out in the open it becomes less potent.

Mei's only long range attack is Suiton which will only push Tsunade back, it cant kill her. She was shown to be able to physically react knocking fire balls away before Mei could shoot out a suiton [ ]. Tsunade going through acid mist would be able to take Mei down before she shoots out a suiton as this is the Tsunade traveled when hitting the fireballs.

Lava can be dodged by Tsunade leaping away or jumping out of its short range [ ][ ]. Once its been spit out Tsunade can then in the floor to get rid of the lava.

Mei's lava doesnt immediately melt things, its a slow process as shown by this chair getting and being later. Even if Tsunde gets hit she can still shake off the acid and heal the damage.

Katsuyu has a larger range of acid, it melts faster and she can shoot out more at a time [ ].

The longer the battle goes on the less of a chance Mei has of winning due to Tsunade's reserves being far greater than Mei's. Between Katsuyu and regeneration no way Mei can end this quickly which is what she would need to do to have a chance to win.

Tsunade mid diff.



I think the true order should be:

Onoki
Tsunade
Gaara
Ay
Mei​

Anyway lets discuss!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Icelerate

Solidus Solidus Solidus

Active member
Elite
Joined
Dec 4, 2014
Messages
6,962
Kin
13💸
Kumi
2,503💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Yeah I know you didnt read. You dont have to spell it out all throughout your post LOL.
I read it.
The manga already proofed that Byakugou is shit to Lava
That Ay is insane fast.
No feats suggest that Tsunade can get out of a sand tsunami
And you saying Tsunade can dodge the Jinton cube while Sasuke couldn't is also lol.
 

RedRobin

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Mar 27, 2014
Messages
12,931
Kin
5💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
I read it.
The manga already proofed that Byakugou is shit to Lava
That Ay is insane fast.
No feats suggest that Tsunade can get out of a sand tsunami
And you saying Tsunade can dodge the Jinton cube while Sasuke couldn't is also lol.
Sure ya did.
Never said it wasnt. Learn to read.
Ok and? Tsunade survives his hits and heals.
Already proved she can. Thats where you gotta do that reading thing.
Onoki who was 2 feet in front of Sasuke.

I wont waste any more time with you.
 

Solidus Solidus Solidus

Active member
Elite
Joined
Dec 4, 2014
Messages
6,962
Kin
13💸
Kumi
2,503💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Sure ya did.
Never said it wasnt. Learn to read.
Ok and? Tsunade survives his hits and heals.
Already proved she can. Thats where you gotta do that reading thing.
Onoki who was 2 feet in front of Sasuke.

I wont waste any more time with you.
You proved nothing.
You saying that Tsunade has more Chakra than ay while Manga only hyped Ay's and the DB gives Tsunade a 4 and Ay 5 proves that your analystic skill is nowhere near average.
 

deadp00l

Active member
Veteran
Joined
May 18, 2012
Messages
2,919
Kin
41💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
I like how you frame sentences "tsunade survived bisection" while leaving out the part where she would have died if not for the long healing procedure katsuyu and karin did on her.

Thats just what this thread is, a lot of nothings while dodging or covering up alot.

Raikage would make short work of tsunade.

You must be registered for see images


And lol what intelligence? where has tsunade "performed better"?
 

deadp00l

Active member
Veteran
Joined
May 18, 2012
Messages
2,919
Kin
41💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
And also raikage is the one who thinks calmly and rationally, he quickly came up with a plan to fight someone whom he had never fought before.

You must be registered for see images


Might not have worked but only because minato was couple of steps ahead.

All I remember from tsunade's brief fights is a lot of shouting and running forward like a mad bull.

And how the fck will tsunade guess where he attacks from??? unless you are a sensor and extremely high reflexes you can't track raikage.

Even mangekyo sharingan couldn't do that and sasuke had to cover himself with susanoo.
 
Last edited:

RedRobin

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Mar 27, 2014
Messages
12,931
Kin
5💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
I like how you frame sentences "tsunade survived bisection" while leaving out the part where she would have died if not for the long healing procedure katsuyu and karin did on her.

Thats just what this thread is, a lot of nothings while dodging or covering up alot.

Raikage would make short work of tsunade.

You must be registered for see images


And lol what intelligence? where has tsunade "performed better"?
Did she not survive bisection? Did she not immediately die from being bisected? Please show me where she died from bisection. She survived bisection LOL Had she decided to not save the gokage she wouldnt have needed anyone else except Katsuyu to put her back together.

Wasnt Hachibi tied down? If he did that to Tsunade it would only push her back.

Creating her own technique
Creatiing her own medical system.
Letting Naruto back into the war against Ay
Deciding to use Mabui's technique to get to the battlefield against Madara while Ay sat there doing nothing lol.

What exactly has Ay done strategically again? He really has no intelligence feats compared to Tsunade.
 
Last edited:

Exaar

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Jul 2, 2011
Messages
12,774
Kin
5💸
Kumi
3💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Now if we base this on the their battle against Madara, Tsunade and Onoki definitely come out at the top. Both of them standing off against Madara countless times.Onoki using willpower to break through pollen technique and finally Tsunade being the last kage 'standing' lol at the end. Now Gaara certainly did more in other battles so he would also vie for a spot at the top. Ay and Mei, they did the least amount of work in the war arc.
You forget tsunade had her chakra restored by Dan, Otherwise she was the first to fall due to her byakugou running out.
 

RedRobin

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Mar 27, 2014
Messages
12,931
Kin
5💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
You forget tsunade had her chakra restored by Dan, Otherwise she was the first to fall due to her byakugou running out.
She was restoring the gokage's reserves throughout the battle and then she helped Onoki with super Jinton which was really all due to her chakra.
 

Apêx1

Active member
Elite
Joined
Mar 26, 2014
Messages
6,929
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Ay blitzes her head off.
Gaara crushes her head.
Mei melts her head.
Onoki atomises her head.

That's all I got out of this. Love how you split the Ay vs Tsunade fight into categories, almost as if they were to matter when all her skills are irrelevant in front of his speed. Love how you had the courage to suggest Tsunade wins vs Gaara when Gaara can low diff her on a bad day.
 

RedRobin

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Mar 27, 2014
Messages
12,931
Kin
5💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Ay blitzes her head off.
Gaara crushes her head.
Mei melts her head.
Onoki atomises her head.

That's all I got out of this. Love how you split the Ay vs Tsunade fight into categories, almost as if they were to matter when all her skills are irrelevant in front of his speed. Love how you had the courage to suggest Tsunade wins vs Gaara when Gaara can low diff her on a bad day.
Apex be a real debater Lol.
 

Ambivalence

Active member
Elite
Joined
Aug 6, 2014
Messages
5,071
Kin
1💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Onoki is not debatable.

Gaara mid-diffs. At worst. You have absolutely no proof Katsuyu's slime possesses the same properties of Gengetsu's mixture of water and oil, which are needed to prevent sand from sticking together. The only reason Mizukage's oil was oozing out was because it seeped through the sand by ''negating'' its properties due to the nature of the oil. Katsuyu oozing out of a complete shell of sand is not happening until you prove her slime and Gengetsu's mixture of water and oil share the same properties that can brake the sand particles apart, and just looking the same isn't going to cut it.

Then there's also the fact that Tsunade can't do jack while he's airborne. He overwhelms her with Sand Tsunami (which should be considerably bigger than Part 1 Gaara's), and if Tsunade hides in Katsuyu, then both of them get sealed away in Sand Mausoleum or buried away, unless you can really prove the slime can do the same as Gengetsu's mixture, which you can't.

Ay mid-diffs as well. Tsunade is not reacting to a blitz, and you seem to acknowledge this. She also either:

1. Gets her chest and organs blown away like Sasuke. Unless you try to imply she can instantly recover from that, Ay just rushes to her location and finishes her off.
2. Gets killed off right away. Aims for the head instead of the neck, or aims for the neck with a palm chop instead of a Lariat. Yeah, he doesn't do that, but I'm assuming manga is intel, and he saw Tsunade fighting with Susano'o swords lodged in her, so even he can figure out what it would take to bring her down. Tsunade, like any character in the manga, has shown no regeneration from brain injury or decapitation, meaning that she dies instantly.

Ay is also never getting caught off guard by Tsunade playing possum. When did Madara get surprise-hit, by the way? You mean Wood Clone Madara? I hope you're not saying his reactions are anywhere near V1 or V2 Ay, or that Ay is getting caught off guard in any way knowing what Tsunade's fighting style is. Ay would also never go for a Liger Bomb, as that will achieve nothing.

I've always thought Tsunade beats her, so agreed about Mei.
 
Last edited:
Top