I was excluding the surviving Uzumakis, that's a given fact that some survived but did they know who attacked them? Surely they would have told Konoha who they had strong ties with. For the village part, exactly my point; why would "if anyone" be referring to anyone in Konoha? Clearly Minato was talking about his enemies, see it's not vague at all when you think about it. Hiruzen was in his prime when he first took on Orochimaru, Tsunade, and Jiraiya; he died around 68-69, his prime isn't going to be at age 56-57. It should be around his high 20's and mid 30's at best.
People outside the village also heard about it. Prime or not at that time could still defeat Orochimaru.
For the Kakashi part, he was still praised as a prodigy and made jounin at a young age and it doesn't mean he didn't graduate the academy at 5; also was that Gai flashback in the manga? Naruto wasn't a prodigy, he was a hard worker who was very determined; he developed skills as he went along. He trained hours for shadow clones, trained over a month for Rasengan and trained until he had 3 days left of his month of training for toad summoning. Prodigies are Neji, Sasuke, Itachi, Minato, Kakashi, Hiruzen, Ect...
Yeah, it was the Gai flashback. Obito and Kakashi are the same age. Kakashi wasn't all that powerful as a kid as shown in Gaiden where was getting his ass kicked by a fodder. A strong ninja can take him down and even part 1 Naruto would shit on him.
2) where does she compare it to other Uzumakis? Here she only said she was born with a particularly strong chakra suited for suppressing Kurama
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. When we see Kurama sealed inside Kushina he is held down by chains
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. Just because Karin had to awaken hers doesn't mean Kushina couldn't be born with it or even awakened it at an early age and simply having it doesn't make her powerful if she doesn't have the skills to use it in combat. If Uchihas such as Sasuke, Itachi, Salada, Ect can awaken their Sharingans at ages below 10 then why can't Kushina awaken her own power?
Here is a better translation where she said that she had chakra enough to control the Kyuubi. Comparing it to other Uzumaki.
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Those aren't her chains, just how her the seal worked. Notice how there on now spike on those chains like the ones Kushina used and are much larger. Karin didn't have much experience with her chains either, yet was doing more damage to that Budda summoning than freaking Hiruzen.
3) She's nowhere near as famous as Minato who is well known in all 5 Nations even before he became Hokage. His actions in the 3rd war shown how famous he was by enemy ninja fleeing from seeing him to his own comrades delight to see him single handed wipeout the enemy forces. He even fought the man who becomes the 4th Kazekage on many occasions. Minato also uses shadow clones so no reason to use that to compare Naruto to Kushina unless the way he used clones was the same as hers as I said before. Same way you say Naruto is more famous than Hinata, Minato is more famous than Kushina.
I never she was as famous as Minato. Just that she was famous enough for Tsunade to have heard about her skills. She saved the village after all and was the Jin of the strongest tailed beast.
4) Being the hero of the war doesn't mean he did it alone, without help he would have died more than the one time that he did. Doesn't matter that he did more, she still played a part in the war and helped out a lot; she helped protect Naruto when he was out of chakra along with Neji and her dad and was the one to help snap Naruto out of giving up after Neji died. She also popped his shoulder back in place while he was charging Edo Madara and Obito and fought many white zetsus for a day or two. Take her out and Naruto could have died or lost hope.
Doesn't matter what she did. Naruto is still given vastly more credit than her. The world knows of him as shown in The Last and has fangirl in other villages. Naruto is vastly more famous, there is no debate about that.
Considering the fact that Sasuke was in Akatsuki and played a part in creating the Juubi, he helped caused the deaths of hundreds and almost caused everyone ending up in IT. Uchihas planned a coup which is kept secret, you think if everyone knew all of the bad Sasuke and the Uchiha clan plan to to/did that they'll still be liked? Highly doubt it, Kakashi even said Sasuke was lucky to not get the death sentence and that's because he vouched for him. Senjus created Konoha, not Uzumaki so let's not give credit to the Uzumakis for something they didn't do; heck Tobirama even said it was Hashirama who built Konoha, not Hashirama and Madara, he even said this is known even in the Uchiha clan.
Sasuke was pardoned remember? And Madara was called a founder of the village and we got a flashback that showed it. And are you forgetting that Sakura is a pathetic Sasuke fangirl?
Hyuuga clan is more famous, there's a reason we hear more about Hyuugas in part 1, a little in Shippuden and a good amount in a movie. Still being around makes it more relevant to what's going on, people were still trying to take the Byakugan in Shippuden. Actually being in Konoha means it's actually helping the village by providing skilled ninjas to go on missions (villages source of income) and protect the village from any threat.
Bold: By that logic they are more famous than the Senju.
The ninja in the village are wearing Uzumaki symbol on their vest and not Hyuuga symbols. Two Uzumaki were married to Hokages and one of them were protected the village from the legendary Kyuubi attack. It's pretty obvious that the Uzumaki are more respected in that village.
People outside the village also heard about it. Prime or not at that time could still defeat Orochimaru.
Yeah, it was the Gai flashback. Obito and Kakashi are the same age. Kakashi wasn't all that powerful as a kid as shown in Gaiden where was getting his ass kicked by a fodder. A strong ninja can take him down and even part 1 Naruto would shit on him.
Here is a better translation where she said that she had chakra enough to control the Kyuubi. Comparing it to other Uzumaki.
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Those aren't her chains, just how her the seal worked. Notice how there on now spike on those chains like the ones Kushina used and are much larger. Karin didn't have much experience with her chains either, yet was doing more damage to that Budda summoning than freaking Hiruzen.
I never she was as famous as Minato. Just that she was famous enough for Tsunade to have heard about her skills. She saved the village after all and was the Jin of the strongest tailed beast.
Doesn't matter what she did. Naruto is still given vastly more credit than her. The world knows of him as shown in The Last and has fangirl in other villages. Naruto is vastly more famous, there is no debate about that.
Sasuke was pardoned remember? And Madara was called a founder of the village and we got a flashback that showed it. And are you forgetting that Sakura is a pathetic Sasuke fangirl?
Bold: By that logic they are more famous than the Senju.
The ninja in the village are wearing Uzumaki symbol on their vest and not Hyuuga symbols. Two Uzumaki were married to Hokages and one of them were protected the village from the legendary Kyuubi attack. It's pretty obvious that the Uzumaki are more respected in that village.
We didn't hear about it except through Kushina and I think Obito talks about it once but that's it; no one really talks about them. Konoha would know about it since they have strong ties with the Uzumaki clan but you can't say other villages actually know about it or if they do even care or if they weren't the ones who attacked. It doesn't matter if they're the same age, Kakashi can still be on a higher rank just like how Neji was jounin while Lee and Tenten were Chunins even though they're the same age. Kakashi was jounin as a kid, he'll beat part 1 Naruto; his skills are higher. Naruto got lucky with Kabuto who underestimated Naruto, Kakashi took part in the 3rd Shinobi war and got the Sharingan to boot. Kakashi probably would just use genjutsu on Naruto who didn't learn how to breakout until his 2 1/2 years of training with Jiraiya. Also that ninja was a more experienced Jounin not a fodder.
It said strong chakra not powerful, and saying its a better translation just because it fits your point shouldn't be the case unless it's Viz or MS which are both the best then MP from what I hear. Sasuke and Madara are examples of powerful chakra as both are said to have, Kushina was born with strong chakra which had the ability to use chakra chains, this is most likely what she is referenced too, Karin being born a sensor should also give her a notable mention among Uzumakis.
You don't have any actual reason to say they aren't her chains, she said herself she had chakra that can suppress the Kyuubi, she uses chakra chains, the Kyuubi is held down by chakra chains. You act like she couldn't developed her chains as she grew up, she had the Kyuubi sealed in her when she was a kid. Karin is Jounin level, Kushina wasn't even a Genin when she got Kurama sealed in her, Jounins skills compared to a non-genin is greatly different.
If Minato is more famous then your argument about Naruto getting Kushina surname doesn't makes sense since what have the Uzumaki done to be well known and still talked about today? Minato was still talked about and praised even in death and many ninjas still remembered him when he showed up as an Edo Tensei. And it doesn't matter who is more famous, the parents pick the name they give their kids and they chose the father's last name because he's the father who is still in the kids life. Naruto is famous, his clan is not.
You think that made people forget? The 5 Kages doesn't control how other people feel. Temari said herself that people who Akatsuki hurt would want to go after Sasuke (during Kage Summit); they might not go after him but that doesn't mean they'll think highly of him or his clan. Uchiha clan was more respected in Konoha and feared by other countries as Chiyo fighting experience towards Uchihas shows. Salada is going to be the building block for the clan, she is the clean slate and that's why she's Uchiha, not because it's more famous; I'm sure more people like Haruno than Uchiha since Sakura saved hundreds of lives during the war over and over.
Flashback: Tobirama said everyone knows Hashirama is the founder of the village and this is while they're talking about Madara
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. Hashirama had the dreams and ideals for the village as a kid, Madara thought it was no possible at first but wanted the same after awhile. All Madara really do was name the village. Doesn't matter, Sakura still had common sense and grew up since part 1, she didn't side with Sasuke as she would had in part 1 but Kishi made her still love Sasuke; Kishi fault not the character's.
Except the Senjus are founders of the village and took part in village affairs unlike the Uzumaki clan. Hashirama Senju built the village system which other countries adopted and he even established a system to help create peace amongst the 5 nation by distributing his Bijuus (2-9). Tobirama created the ninja academy, Chunin exams (a way to keep peace as Hiruzen told the genins), created the Anbu black opt (which other villages adopted), created the police force, and created many jutsus such as Naruto's most used Shadow clone. Tsunade who comes from both Senju and Uzumaki and possibly a third clan is more compared to Hashirama than Mito but anyways, she pretty much wrote the book on medical ninjutsu long before becoming Hokage where she saved hundreds of lives during Pein's attack and during the war.
They wear the Eddy village symbol out of friendship and good will as Kushina stated to Naruto; this is because they are not part of the village but are good friends of theirs
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. The Hyuugas are a noble family in Konoha, they are respected by all clans so I don't see how you can even say the village respect the Uzumaki more. Lee stated the Hyuugas have the strongest taijutsu style in Konoha
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. Being married to a Hokage doesn't highlight any features of the clan and it was Hashirama and Minato who did nearly all of the work just like what you said with Naruto and Hinata.
