Only 80 years? Well that doesn't mean the Senju clan couldn't intergret into other clans, we had lots of generations. Hashirama generation, Hiruzen generation, Tsunade generation, Minato generation, Kakashi generation, Naruto generation, and now Bolt generation; plenty to have the senju spread out amongst other clans.
It's not impossible that they bred with other clans & had many daughters to remarry & take the other house name. Why else do you think that nearly every clan in the leaf village are so OP compared to many other clans? Hashirama's Will of Fire
Do you know how Asian culture works? Kids inherit the name of the parent who has higher status, regardless of gender. Its the reason why Naruto has his mother's last name and why Suyin Bei Fong's children have her last name. It is impossible for a famous name like The Senju to disappear in a few of generations.
The fact that the Sarutobi and Shimura clan were around before the village even started also shits on that retarded theory. As they are still around.
Real answer: The Senju clan mythology was a nonsensical retcon. A plot device to make the Uchiha Clan important that Kishi had no interest in developing. Why do you think they were never mentioned in part 1?
Only 80 years? Well that doesn't mean the Senju clan couldn't intergret into other clans, we had lots of generations. Hashirama generation, Hiruzen generation, Tsunade generation, Minato generation, Kakashi generation, Naruto generation, and now Bolt generation; plenty to have the senju spread out amongst other clans.
She was 50 in part 1 and 54 by the end of the war, so she's about 66 right now in the manga.
Do you know how Asian culture works? Kids inherit the name of the parent who has higher status, regardless of gender. Its the reason why Naruto has his mother's last name and why Suyin Bei Fong's children have her last name. It is impossible for a famous name like The Senju to disappear in a few of generations.
The fact that the Sarutobi and Shimura clan were around before the village even started also shits on that retarded theory. As they are still around.
Real answer: The Senju clan mythology was a nonsensical retcon. A plot device to make the Uchiha Clan important that Kishi had no interest in developing. Why do you think they were never mentioned in part 1?
Incorrect. If that was true then what you said about Naruto would have been true but it's not. Minato told Naruto that Hiruzen gave him his mother's last name because if anyone knew he was Minato's son then he would be in grave danger by Minato's enemies
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. So had Minato and Kushina lived, it would be Naruto Namikaze.
Also if that was true then Naruto's kids would be named Hyuuga instead of Uzumaki. The Uzumaki clan was nearly wiped out because others feared their powerful sealing jutsus while the Hyuugas was said the be Konoha's strongest clan
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with gentle fist stated to be Konoha's strongest taijutsu style (said by Lee in part 1). Hyuuga came from Hagoromo's brother while the Uzumaki came from Hagoromo but this isn't common knowledge in NV.
Well she uses the Yin seal to look young and if she's exhausted then it shows her true look which is wrinkly. It showed a pic of Hinata in Bolt's mind in the lastest Naruto Gaiden, she has short hair.
Incorrect. If that was true then what you said about Naruto would have been true but it's not. Minato told Naruto that Hiruzen gave him his mother's last name because if anyone knew he was Minato's son then he would be in grave danger by Minato's enemies
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. So had Minato and Kushina lived, it would be Naruto Namikaze.
What? Minato doesn't mention anything about having his name change nor about him having enemies in that scan. He says that Hirzen wanted the Kyuubi stuff to be a secret from the public.
That is not only pure fanon but doesn't make any sense. As the Uzumaki were targeted for destruction(you even said so yourself), so Kushina should be the one with tons of enemies wanting to wipe out her kind. So the Uzumaki name puts him in far greater danger than Namikaze.
Also if that was true then Naruto's kids would be named Hyuuga instead of Uzumaki. The Uzumaki clan was nearly wiped out because others feared their powerful sealing jutsus while the Hyuugas was said the be Konoha's strongest clan
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with gentle fist stated to be Konoha's strongest taijutsu style (said by Lee in part 1). Hyuuga came from Hagoromo's brother while the Uzumaki came from Hagoromo but this isn't common knowledge in NV.
1) The Uzumaki clan had their own country. So their achievements outshine the Hyugga clan.
2) They are more powerful than the Hyuuga since people wanted them dead for their skills.
3) Naruto is the savior of the world and the most powerful person on the planet.
The Uzumaki hold far more higher status and acclaim than the Hyuuga.
Well she uses the Yin seal to look young and if she's exhausted then it shows her true look which is wrinkly. It showed a pic of Hinata in Bolt's mind in the lastest Naruto Gaiden, she has short hair.
What? Minato doesn't mention anything about having his name change nor about him having enemies in that scan. He says that Hirzen wanted the Kyuubi stuff to be a secret from the public.
That is not only pure fanon but doesn't make any sense. As the Uzumaki were targeted for destruction(you even said so yourself), so Kushina should be the one with tons of enemies wanting to wipe out her kind. So the Uzumaki name puts him in far greater danger than Namikaze.
1) The Uzumaki clan had their own country. So their achievements outshine the Hyugga clan.
2) They are more powerful than the Hyuuga since people wanted them dead for their skills.
3) Naruto is the savior of the world and the most powerful person on the planet.
The Uzumaki hold far more higher status and acclaim than the Hyuuga.
They had their own village because they weren't part of Konoha, only had strong ties to them; Kushina even said she's from another country and village
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. A village is not the whole country like Konoha isn't the land of fire but her whole country was destroyed as she said.
Look again at Minato talking to Naruto, he said "If anyone knew you were my son, you'd have been in constant danger." Who do you think Naruto would have been endanger from had people known he was Minato's son? People who didn't like Minato. You also helped proved my point, why would Hiruzen give Naruto the name Uzumaki with the clan being nearly wiped out? Why not give him the name Namikaze if it was safer? Because Minato's rep was far worst. Not only did he play a major part in the 3rd great Shinobi war, his enemy's were given flee on sight orders, he fought A and Bee multiple times, and was highly respect by those in the village. Clearly Hiruzen saw Minato last name a threat since there would be no reason for anyone to really seek out an Uzumaki now since it was war time when the clan was wiped out.
The Hyuuga clan is in a village with many strong clans and is said to be the strongest, Uzumaki only had long lives and powerful sealing jutsus which got them wiped out. People actually try to steal the Byakugan, plus it's from the strongest clan in the strongest village. You listing what Naruto did has nothing to do with the clan, I can easily say he did most of what he did from the Namikaze part of him, Naruto wasn't using sealing jutsus to accomplish many of his feats. He used jutsus and skills that Minato created or learned before. Hyuugas actually used the Hyuuga power to fight in the wars and they needed Hinata's chakra to help save the world because she's a descendant of Hagoromo brother. Plus Hinata is from the heir of the Hyuugas while there is no Uzumaki clan.
Lel I'm aware but it doesn't change the fact she barely put on weight or gained wrinkles unlike the other Kage. Compared to all the other females it's like she never aged.
And strong life force = youthful looks, Mito looked 80-ish even though she was +100
Lel I'm aware but it doesn't change the fact she barely put on weight or gained wrinkles unlike the other Kage. Compared to all the other females it's like she never aged.
And strong life force = youthful looks, Mito looked 80-ish even though she was +100
The wrinkles aren't there because of the yin seal not her Uzumaki DNA, Sakura even said she doesn't need to use the yin seal to look young
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. Mito was Tsunade's grandma and she also had the Yin seal
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. I do know what you're saying though but Tsunade at age 50 and 54 were pretty wrinkled when she couldn't use her Yin seal which is what makes me think the Uzumaki only gives them longer lives and doesn't prevent wrinkles; don't know Mei age in the war arc but she looked pretty young but also looked to be high 30's low 40's.
Why was the whole country destroyed? The Uzumaki populated the whole thing. You know that Uzumaki means whirlpool, right?
Look again at Minato talking to Naruto, he said "If anyone knew you were my son, you'd have been in constant danger." Who do you think Naruto would have been endanger from had people known he was Minato's son? People who didn't like Minato. You also helped proved my point, why would Hiruzen give Naruto the name Uzumaki with the clan being nearly wiped out? Why not give him the name Namikaze if it was safer? Because Minato's rep was far worst. Not only did he play a major part in the 3rd great Shinobi war, his enemy's were given flee on sight orders, he fought A and Bee multiple times, and was highly respect by those in the village. Clearly Hiruzen saw Minato last name a threat since there would be no reason for anyone to really seek out an Uzumaki now since it was war time when the clan was wiped out.
It says if "anyone" knew. Not certain people. The entire thing is so vague. All of that is pure speculation that is filled with holes.
Everyone knows that Konohamaru is the third Hokage's grandson, you know the guy who made Minato do what he did in the war and is a war hero himself? Logically he should have a bad rep(btw where is this bad rep stuff stated) and he is more famous than. Minato with all the praise he got in part 1. Being considered a "God of Shinobi" and the strongest of the five kages, Minato never got that level of praise. But Konohamaru's parentage isn't a secret like Naruto's. As a matter of fact EVERY Shinboi should have enemies as they are assassins, remember? So the whole thing just doesn't work.
And the villages were still enemies with each other even when they are not at war. That's why the Kage Summit took place on Iron Country because it was neutral grounds. As there are people like Kurotsuchi who wanted to kill both Naruto and Bee to weaken their villages. So people should still be trying to wipe out the Uzumaki.
Its all has to do with the Kyuubi attack as stated in the scan. According to TakL that "my son" thing is a mistranslation and it mostly is considering doesn't make sense. It doesn't follow the previous panel and his parentage wasn't kept a secret until after he had the Kyuubi sealed inside him.
The Hyuuga clan is in a village with many strong clans and is said to be the strongest, Uzumaki only had long lives and powerful sealing jutsus which got them wiped out. People actually try to steal the Byakugan, plus it's from the strongest clan in the strongest village. You listing what Naruto did has nothing to do with the clan, I can easily say he did most of what he did from the Namikaze part of him, Naruto wasn't using sealing jutsus to accomplish many of his feats. He used jutsus and skills that Minato created or learned before. Hyuugas actually used the Hyuuga power to fight in the wars and they needed Hinata's chakra to help save the world because she's a descendant of Hagoromo brother. Plus Hinata is from the heir of the Hyuugas while there is no Uzumaki clan.
1) The Hyuuga clan is not a village with many strong clans. It is one clan with two branches.
2) The Uzumaki had far more powerful chakra than the Hyuuga, that is a fact.
3) Naruto got where he is at mainly due to his Uzumaki genetics. It made him a compatible host for Kurama, a Ashura incarnation, and gave him the ability to make as many clones as he does(his main fighting style).
4) Naruto saved the village twice and the world twice. He shits on Hinata in feats.
5) There is an Uzumaki clan. Clan=family, dude.
The Senju were just plot devices in the Hashirama Madara era after that Kishimoto erased them from NV leaving only Tsunade, who isn't even a full Senju.
Why was the whole country destroyed? The Uzumaki populated the whole thing. You know that Uzumaki means whirlpool, right?
It says if "anyone" knew. Not certain people. The entire thing is so vague. All of that is pure speculation that is filled with holes.
Everyone knows that Konohamaru is the third Hokage's grandson, you know the guy who made Minato do what he did in the war and is a war hero himself? Logically he should have a bad rep(btw where is this bad rep stuff stated) and he is more famous than. Minato with all the praise he got in part 1. Being considered a "God of Shinobi" and the strongest of the five kages, Minato never got that level of praise. But Konohamaru's parentage isn't a secret like Naruto's. As a matter of fact EVERY Shinboi should have enemies as they are assassins, remember? So the whole thing just doesn't work.
And the villages were still enemies with each other even when they are not at war. That's why the Kage Summit took place on Iron Country because it was neutral grounds. As there are people like Kurotsuchi who wanted to kill both Naruto and Bee to weaken their villages. So people should still be trying to wipe out the Uzumaki.
Its all has to do with the Kyuubi attack as stated in the scan. According to TakL that "my son" thing is a mistranslation and it mostly is considering doesn't make sense. It doesn't follow the previous panel and his parentage wasn't kept a secret until after he had the Kyuubi sealed inside him.
1) The Hyuuga clan is not a village with many strong clans. It is one clan with two branches.
2) The Uzumaki had far more powerful chakra than the Hyuuga, that is a fact.
3) Naruto got where he is at mainly due to his Uzumaki genetics. It made him a compatible host for Kurama, a Ashura incarnation, and gave him the ability to make as many clones as he does(his main fighting style).
4) Naruto saved the village twice and the world twice. He shits on Hinata in feats.
5) There is an Uzumaki clan. Clan=family, dude.
Or they wiped out the whole country to leave no witnesses or chance that an Uzumaki was in another village. Saying the country was only populated with Uzumaki has nothing to even hint that, we know there's many smaller villages and towns in each country such as Rain village that's on the boarder line of 2 countries. Kushina never said who nearly wiped out her clan because she didn't know but did say it was cloud ninjas who abducted her because she did know.
How is that vague? So Naruto's life would be endangered if people who were Minato's friend knew? No, that makes no sense at all; only people who didn't like Minato and had grudges against him would endanger Naruto's life, common sense really. Fail comparison, Konohamaru still has living family members around him such as Asuma and Hiruzen so he had no reason to fear plus he even had an elite jounin with him a lot of the time. Naruto had no one and lived alone. Have any of those shinobis killed hundreds to thousands of enemies in the 3rd war? In the anime it gives us a number of a thousand I believe, and that's not including other missions he had. Hiruzen is still alive, it would take a Kage level ninja to try and beat him and Kabuto stated he was the strongest of the 5 Kages in part 1 so stronger than A, Oonoki, Gaara dad, and 4th Mizukage or Mei.
Many villages had treaties with each other, Kage Summit rarely took place and only happened when something big happened. Stealing a Jinchuuriki is about gaining more power, that's not the same of seeking out a target to kill them out of revenge. Naruto always told people his full name without anyone trying to kill him so if people were still after Uzumakis he would have been attacked because he was an Uzumaki at least once, there was never a warning for it either. They feared the sealing jutsus not the Uzumaki themselves since Naruto didn't even know any until he got the key to Kurama's cage.
Until after he got the Kyuubi sealed in him? That's when his parents died which goes with Minato saying Hiruzen hid Naruto true identity; not only to hid the Jinchuuriki but to hid who his father is. The kids pretty much always got the father's last name with few exceptions.
1) Never said Hyuuga clan was a village, I said they're in the strongest village which is Konoha and stated to be the strongest clan in Konoha.
2) false. Uzumaki have larger reserves and the Uchihas have powerful chakra. Hyuuga clan comes from Hamura's so for all you know they're the Uchihas of Hamura's lineage (with powerful chakra and eyes).
3) except there's non-Uzumaki Jinchuurikis (1-8) so saying he couldn't handle Kurama like Gaara did with Shukaku isn't viable but I'll give you that. Minato had large chakra reserves, SM requires it, so Naruto using many clones can be because of Minato. Majority of Naruto's jutsus are jutsus Minato had or created such as shadow clone, Rasengan, toad summoning, and SM.
4) except Naruto never did any of that alone except in part 1 against Gaara. Naruto got knowledge that Shikamaru team and Shizune figured out with the help of Tsunade's slug and Hinata risked her life to help him which allowed him to not get captured and got helped from Minato so Kurama didn't take over his body. In the war Naruto a lot of help from Bee, Itachi, Kakashi, Gai, Sakura, Gaara, Oonoki, Hinata, Neji, Hiruzen, Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato, Obito, Ect... So Hinata helped saved the village once and the world twice. Nice try.
5) Try again, there's a difference from there being Uzumaki members and being a clan, there is no clan. I don't see Karin with Naruto or the few Uzumaki that might still be alive living with Naruto as the other clans do; hence there is no clan. They're only members of a clan that use to be around, there's no Uchiha clan but Sasuke said he was going to remake it since part 1 so he's slowly rebuilding it but Naruto never said he was doing that, his daughter gets married and her kids will have the father's last name.
Or they wiped out the whole country to leave no witnesses or chance that an Uzumaki was in another village. Saying the country was only populated with Uzumaki has nothing to even hint that, we know there's many smaller villages and towns in each country such as Rain village that's on the boarder line of 2 countries. Kushina never said who nearly wiped out her clan because she didn't know but did say it was cloud ninjas who abducted her because she did know.
There is no way there is not going to be witnesses with mass murder on that scale.
How is that vague? So Naruto's life would be endangered if people who were Minato's friend knew? No, that makes no sense at all; only people who didn't like Minato and had grudges against him would endanger Naruto's life, common sense really. Fail comparison, Konohamaru still has living family members around him such as Asuma and Hiruzen so he had no reason to fear plus he even had an elite jounin with him a lot of the time. Naruto had no one and lived alone. Have any of those shinobis killed hundreds to thousands of enemies in the 3rd war? In the anime it gives us a number of a thousand I believe, and that's not including other missions he had. Hiruzen is still alive, it would take a Kage level ninja to try and beat him and Kabuto stated he was the strongest of the 5 Kages in part 1 so stronger than A, Oonoki, Gaara dad, and 4th Mizukage or Mei.
It says "anyone", which doesn't make sense and its a bad translation according TakL. According to him it was "our son" or something like that. Because people would figure out who he sealed the Kyuubi in.
Its not a fail comparison at all. Hiruzen could have just adopted Naruto if that was the case. No enemy of Minato would **** with Naruto with Hiruzen in the village. He was considered a bigger bad-ass than Minato. But the best comparison is Kakashi. Like Naruto, his dad was famous and had enemies(as evident by Chiyo attacking Kakashi thinking he was Sakumo). Both of Kakashi's parents died by the time he was 8, but got no special protection at all.
And anime isn't canon so don't use it.
Many villages had treaties with each other, Kage Summit rarely took place and only happened when something big happened. Stealing a Jinchuuriki is about gaining more power, that's not the same of seeking out a target to kill them out of revenge. Naruto always told people his full name without anyone trying to kill him so if people were still after Uzumakis he would have been attacked because he was an Uzumaki at least once, there was never a warning for it either. They feared the sealing jutsus not the Uzumaki themselves since Naruto didn't even know any until he got the key to Kurama's cage.
Re-read my post. I said she wanted to kill the two Jinchuuriki not steal them. Naruto is an Uzumaki with an Uzumaki seal on stomach. People would think he knows Uzumaki sealing jutsu. Naruto being from a famous clan was an obvious retcon.
Until after he got the Kyuubi sealed in him? That's when his parents died which goes with Minato saying Hiruzen hid Naruto true identity; not only to hid the Jinchuuriki but to hid who his father is. The kids pretty much always got the father's last name with few exceptions.
It completely had to do with him being a Jinchuuriki.
1) Never said Hyuuga clan was a village, I said they're in the strongest village which is Konoha and stated to be the strongest clan in Konoha.
2) false. Uzumaki have larger reserves and the Uchihas have powerful chakra. Hyuuga clan comes from Hamura's so for all you know they're the Uchihas of Hamura's lineage (with powerful chakra and eyes).
3) except there's non-Uzumaki Jinchuurikis (1-8) so saying he couldn't handle Kurama like Gaara did with Shukaku isn't viable but I'll give you that. Minato had large chakra reserves, SM requires it, so Naruto using many clones can be because of Minato. Majority of Naruto's jutsus are jutsus Minato had or created such as shadow clone, Rasengan, toad summoning, and SM.
4) except Naruto never did any of that alone except in part 1 against Gaara. Naruto got knowledge that Shikamaru team and Shizune figured out with the help of Tsunade's slug and Hinata risked her life to help him which allowed him to not get captured and got helped from Minato so Kurama didn't take over his body. In the war Naruto a lot of help from Bee, Itachi, Kakashi, Gai, Sakura, Gaara, Oonoki, Hinata, Neji, Hiruzen, Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato, Obito, Ect... So Hinata helped saved the village once and the world twice. Nice try.
5) Try again, there's a difference from there being Uzumaki members and being a clan, there is no clan. I don't see Karin with Naruto or the few Uzumaki that might still be alive living with Naruto as the other clans do; hence there is no clan. They're only members of a clan that use to be around, there's no Uchiha clan but Sasuke said he was going to remake it since part 1 so he's slowly rebuilding it but Naruto never said he was doing that, his daughter gets married and her kids will have the father's last name.
1) Oh I misread your post. My bad.
2) No, according to Kushina the Uzumaki generally had strong charka.
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3) It had to do with the genetics he inherited from his mother.
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4) Was Hinata nearly as relevant as Naruto in those battles? Hell no. So don't try to argue that she should be nearly as famous.
5) Look what a clan is. Its just another way of saying family.
There is no way there is not going to be witnesses with mass murder on that scale.
It says "anyone", which doesn't make sense and its a bad translation according TakL. According to him it was "our son" or something like that. Because people would figure out who he sealed the Kyuubi in.
Its not a fail comparison at all. Hiruzen could have just adopted Naruto if that was the case. No enemy of Minato would **** with Naruto with Hiruzen in the village. He was considered a bigger bad-ass than Minato. But the best comparison is Kakashi. Like Naruto, his dad was famous and had enemies(as evident by Chiyo attacking Kakashi thinking he was Sakumo). Both of Kakashi's parents died by the time he was 8, but got no special protection at all.
And anime isn't canon so don't use it.
Re-read my post. I said she wanted to kill the two Jinchuuriki not steal them. Naruto is an Uzumaki with an Uzumaki seal on stomach. People would think he knows Uzumaki sealing jutsu. Naruto being from a famous clan was an obvious retcon.
It completely had to do with him being a Jinchuuriki.
1) Oh I misread your post. My bad.
2) No, according to Kushina the Uzumaki generally had strong charka.
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3) It had to do with the genetics he inherited from his mother.
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4) Was Hinata nearly as relevant as Naruto in those battles? Hell no. So don't try to argue that she should be nearly as famous.
5) Look what a clan is. Its just another way of saying family.
Which is why they destroyed the whole country, left no witnesses and Whirlpool country is sectioned off from the main land, and as I looked back, I see how small it was, was basically a small island so it probably was just the Uzumaki clan, look at that small dot on the island, that's where Kushina village was and compare that to the fire nation which is a country
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. It's a good distance away to so no one would hear or see the destruction until it was too late.
It says "if anyone" because people still talk and even if they didn't, their are ninjas who can take information from people like how Sasuke uses the Shraingan to find out Bee's location or when Ino's dad team look in others minds to find out what they know or Toture like Ebiki or threats like Jiraiya threat to turn Rain ninjas into toads; oh and Kabuto's truth serum. If no one knows then no one can find out who shouldn't know. Makes no sense to say our when Minato never mentions Kushina, even Kushina said Minato didn't mention her when she first met Naruto. Plus it wouldn't be hard for people who knew Kushina to figure out Naruto is her son by factoring in her last name, her dying 12 years before Naruto part 1 started and that she was pregnant last they saw her. Villagers knew Naruto was the Kyuubi Jin, that's why Hiruzen taboo the mention of it and why every adult treated Naruto like trash.
Well Hiruzen didn't do that so it doesn't help the case. Hiruzen was a badass in his prime and as a old man, Minato was a badass before his prime, he died before reaching it and was shown to be highly feared during the war. Even Anko wished that Minato was still alive right to Hiruzen face, she knew how strong Orochimaru is and wanted Minato there, Orochimaru (or Enma, forgot which) said if Hiruzen was just 10 years younger the fight might have ended differently. Orochimaru didn't fear fighting Hiruzen at his age, he's past his prime but Minato would have been slightly over his prime but much stronger than he was when he died. So like I said before, if strong ninjas actually wanted to kill Naruto because he's Minato son then they have more of a chance than with Hiruzen who is strong plus have anbus protecting him.
As with Kakashi, he was a prodigy, graduated from the academy at age 5 and became a Chunin at age 6; he became a jounin a little after that, maybe around age 12 or 13. Naruto graduated from the academy at age 12 and wasn't that skilled at first, not until around the Chunin exams-looking for Tsunade. As for Kurotsuki, yes there are people like that but that's why they usually don't know who the Jinchuuriki is, A wanted to kill Naruto so Akatsuki couldn't revive the Juubi, that's not the same as wiping out ever member of a clan for fear or revenge.
2) She's talking about her power to use chakra chains, that made her ideal to become the Kyuubi Jin and she said her chakra was stronger than normal Uzumakis because not everyone have the chakra chains or else Naruto, Tsunade, and Nagato would have them. Kushina said " Appearantly I was born with a particularly strong chakra that was well-suited to suppressing the nine tails." She never said it was a common Uzumaki thing.
3) I'll give you that one even though Kurama is talking about linking to his chakra in the way Naruto was at that time and not about Naruto being a Jinchuuriki since he added plus Naruto being a Jinchuuriki for years. We don't know what jutsus besides sealing jutsus Kushina knew but we do know Naruto followed in Minato's footsteps jutsu wise; shadow clone, Rasengan, toad summoning, SM. ninjutsu style can be referred to different things such as Naruto using jutsus that require fewer to none hand seals, the way he excute his jutsu to hit his target, Ect.. Plus at what point did Tsunade know what she knew? She left the village around the time Dan died and had no more ties to Konoha unlike Jiraiya who visited Minato.
4) doesn't matter, without her things could have ended up differently plus Naruto knows how much she helped him and its no ones decision what to name their son but them and they went with Naruto's because he's the father. Plus the achievements of the parents doesn't decide the child's last name, that's like saying Sakura didn't give Salada the surname Uchiha because she doesn't want people associating her daughter with a clan that produced guys like Obito or Madara who killed hundreds to thousands of people. That's not the case here.
Don't think Naruto think of Karin as family, Tsunade yes since he calls her grandma Tsunade and she is part Uzumaki. Also that makes Naruto's kids Hyuuga clan members more since there's actually a clan. A clan is made of family members so they are a family but a family doesn't make a clan unless they build up their numbers and even then they keep to themselves for the most part; the village have clans sectioned off in different parts for example. there are Uzumaki members but the clan has long since been gone, if Naruto does establish the clan again and eventually build it up then that's fine but as of now he never voiced that goal.
Which is why they destroyed the whole country, left no witnesses and Whirlpool country is sectioned off from the main land, and as I looked back, I see how small it was, was basically a small island so it probably was just the Uzumaki clan, look at that small dot on the island, that's where Kushina village was and compare that to the fire nation which is a country
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. It's a good distance away to so no one would hear or see the destruction until it was too late.
There were witnesses since there are survivors. Otherwise they wouldn't have known the reason why they were attacked.
It says "if anyone" because people still talk and even if they didn't, their are ninjas who can take information from people like how Sasuke uses the Shraingan to find out Bee's location or when Ino's dad team look in others minds to find out what they know or Toture like Ebiki or threats like Jiraiya threat to turn Rain ninjas into toads; oh and Kabuto's truth serum. If no one knows then no one can find out who shouldn't know. Makes no sense to say our when Minato never mentions Kushina, even Kushina said Minato didn't mention her when she first met Naruto. Plus it wouldn't be hard for people who knew Kushina to figure out Naruto is her son by factoring in her last name, her dying 12 years before Naruto part 1 started and that she was pregnant last they saw her. Villagers knew Naruto was the Kyuubi Jin, that's why Hiruzen taboo the mention of it and why every adult treated Naruto like trash.
The village already knew of his parentage. Kushina being Minato's wife was no secret and Mikoto knew(Itachi found out through her). Tsunade was away from the village for years and is hinted to have known about it the moment she met Naruto.
Well Hiruzen didn't do that so it doesn't help the case. Hiruzen was a badass in his prime and as a old man, Minato was a badass before his prime, he died before reaching it and was shown to be highly feared during the war. Even Anko wished that Minato was still alive right to Hiruzen face, she knew how strong Orochimaru is and wanted Minato there, Orochimaru (or Enma, forgot which) said if Hiruzen was just 10 years younger the fight might have ended differently. Orochimaru didn't fear fighting Hiruzen at his age, he's past his prime but Minato would have been slightly over his prime but much stronger than he was when he died. So like I said before, if strong ninjas actually wanted to kill Naruto because he's Minato son then they have more of a chance than with Hiruzen who is strong plus have anbus protecting him.
Naruto was born 12 years ago. So Hiruzen was in his prime during the Kyuubi attack.
As with Kakashi, he was a prodigy, graduated from the academy at age 5 and became a Chunin at age 6; he became a jounin a little after that, maybe around age 12 or 13. Naruto graduated from the academy at age 12 and wasn't that skilled at first, not until around the Chunin exams-looking for Tsunade. As for Kurotsuki, yes there are people like that but that's why they usually don't know who the Jinchuuriki is, A wanted to kill Naruto so Akatsuki couldn't revive the Juubi, that's not the same as wiping out ever member of a clan for fear or revenge.
Naruto was also prodigy in part 1. Mutliply shadow clone Jutsu, a Boss Summoning, and Rasengan. He took down Gaara and yet his parentage was still kept a secret for years. Also that stuff about Kakashi is contradicted is later with a Gai flashback. Seen taking the Chunin Exams the same time as 13 year old Obito.
2) She's talking about her power to use chakra chains, that made her ideal to become the Kyuubi Jin and she said her chakra was stronger than normal Uzumakis because not everyone have the chakra chains or else Naruto, Tsunade, and Nagato would have them. Kushina said " Appearantly I was born with a particularly strong chakra that was well-suited to suppressing the nine tails." She never said it was a common Uzumaki thing.
3) I'll give you that one even though Kurama is talking about linking to his chakra in the way Naruto was at that time and not about Naruto being a Jinchuuriki since he added plus Naruto being a Jinchuuriki for years. We don't know what jutsus besides sealing jutsus Kushina knew but we do know Naruto followed in Minato's footsteps jutsu wise; shadow clone, Rasengan, toad summoning, SM. ninjutsu style can be referred to different things such as Naruto using jutsus that require fewer to none hand seals, the way he excute his jutsu to hit his target, Ect.. Plus at what point did Tsunade know what she knew? She left the village around the time Dan died and had no more ties to Konoha unlike Jiraiya who visited Minato.
4) doesn't matter, without her things could have ended up differently plus Naruto knows how much she helped him and its no ones decision what to name their son but them and they went with Naruto's because he's the father. Plus the achievements of the parents doesn't decide the child's last name, that's like saying Sakura didn't give Salada the surname Uchiha because she doesn't want people associating her daughter with a clan that produced guys like Obito or Madara who killed hundreds to thousands of people. That's not the case here.
Don't think Naruto think of Karin as family, Tsunade yes since he calls her grandma Tsunade and she is part Uzumaki. Also that makes Naruto's kids Hyuuga clan members more since there's actually a clan. A clan is made of family members so they are a family but a family doesn't make a clan unless they build up their numbers and even then they keep to themselves for the most part; the village have clans sectioned off in different parts for example. there are Uzumaki members but the clan has long since been gone, if Naruto does establish the clan again and eventually build it up then that's fine but as of now he never voiced that goal.
2) She said strong "even for an Uzumaki". Which implies that they generally had strong chakra and she is not talking about chains as Kushina was not that powerful as a child(she was captured by ninja). You need to awaken those chains as shown by Karin. She is talking about having strong chakra to be a compatible host for Kurama.
3) Kushina is quit famous, remember? Even other villages knew about her. She also likely used shadow clones like Naruto, hence the comparison.
4) Naruto was the hero of the war, Kakashi even said so. Hinata really didn't do that much compared to him and Tsunade considers him a candidate for future Hokage. An Uchiha also helped saved the world and the Uchiha name is still vastly more popular popular than Hanuro. The Uchiha helped create the village, remember? Also the Uzumaki are related to the Senju which founded the village which the Hyuuga live in.
There were witnesses since there are survivors. Otherwise they wouldn't have known the reason why they were attacked.
The village already knew of his parentage. Kushina being Minato's wife was no secret and Mikoto knew(Itachi found out through her). Tsunade was away from the village for years and is hinted to have known about it the moment she met Naruto.
Naruto was born 12 years ago. So Hiruzen was in his prime during the Kyuubi attack.
Naruto was also prodigy in part 1. Mutliply shadow clone Jutsu, a Boss Summoning, and Rasengan. He took down Gaara and yet his parentage was still kept a secret for years. Also that stuff about Kakashi is contradicted is later with a Gai flashback. Seen taking the Chunin Exams the same time as 13 year old Obito.
2) She said strong "even for an Uzumaki". Which implies that they generally had strong chakra and she is not talking about chains as Kushina was not that powerful as a child(she was captured by ninja). You need to awaken those chains as shown by Karin. She is talking about having strong chakra to be a compatible host for Kurama.
3) Kushina is quit famous, remember? Even other villages knew about her. She also likely used shadow clones like Naruto, hence the comparison.
4) Naruto was the hero of the war, Kakashi even said so. Hinata really didn't do that much compared to him and Tsunade considers him a candidate for future Hokage. An Uchiha also helped saved the world and the Uchiha name is still vastly more popular popular than Hanuro. The Uchiha helped create the village, remember? Also the Uzumaki are related to the Senju which founded the village which the Hyuuga live in.
I was excluding the surviving Uzumakis, that's a given fact that some survived but did they know who attacked them? Surely they would have told Konoha who they had strong ties with. For the village part, exactly my point; why would "if anyone" be referring to anyone in Konoha? Clearly Minato was talking about his enemies, see it's not vague at all when you think about it. Hiruzen was in his prime when he first took on Orochimaru, Tsunade, and Jiraiya; he died around 68-69, his prime isn't going to be at age 56-57. It should be around his high 20's and mid 30's at best.
For the Kakashi part, he was still praised as a prodigy and made jounin at a young age and it doesn't mean he didn't graduate the academy at 5; also was that Gai flashback in the manga? Naruto wasn't a prodigy, he was a hard worker who was very determined; he developed skills as he went along. He trained hours for shadow clones, trained over a month for Rasengan and trained until he had 3 days left of his month of training for toad summoning. Prodigies are Neji, Sasuke, Itachi, Minato, Kakashi, Hiruzen, Ect...
2) where does she compare it to other Uzumakis? Here she only said she was born with a particularly strong chakra suited for suppressing Kurama
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. Just because Karin had to awaken hers doesn't mean Kushina couldn't be born with it or even awakened it at an early age and simply having it doesn't make her powerful if she doesn't have the skills to use it in combat. If Uchihas such as Sasuke, Itachi, Salada, Ect can awaken their Sharingans at ages below 10 then why can't Kushina awaken her own power?
3) She's nowhere near as famous as Minato who is well known in all 5 Nations even before he became Hokage. His actions in the 3rd war shown how famous he was by enemy ninja fleeing from seeing him to his own comrades delight to see him single handed wipeout the enemy forces. He even fought the man who becomes the 4th Kazekage on many occasions. Minato also uses shadow clones so no reason to use that to compare Naruto to Kushina unless the way he used clones was the same as hers as I said before. Same way you say Naruto is more famous than Hinata, Minato is more famous than Kushina.
4) Being the hero of the war doesn't mean he did it alone, without help he would have died more than the one time that he did. Doesn't matter that he did more, she still played a part in the war and helped out a lot; she helped protect Naruto when he was out of chakra along with Neji and her dad and was the one to help snap Naruto out of giving up after Neji died. She also popped his shoulder back in place while he was charging Edo Madara and Obito and fought many white zetsus for a day or two. Take her out and Naruto could have died or lost hope.
Considering the fact that Sasuke was in Akatsuki and played a part in creating the Juubi, he helped caused the deaths of hundreds and almost caused everyone ending up in IT. Uchihas planned a coup which is kept secret, you think if everyone knew all of the bad Sasuke and the Uchiha clan plan to to/did that they'll still be liked? Highly doubt it, Kakashi even said Sasuke was lucky to not get the death sentence and that's because he vouched for him. Senjus created Konoha, not Uzumaki so let's not give credit to the Uzumakis for something they didn't do; heck Tobirama even said it was Hashirama who built Konoha, not Hashirama and Madara, he even said this is known even in the Uchiha clan.
Hyuuga clan is more famous, there's a reason we hear more about Hyuugas in part 1, a little in Shippuden and a good amount in a movie. Still being around makes it more relevant to what's going on, people were still trying to take the Byakugan in Shippuden. Actually being in Konoha means it's actually helping the village by providing skilled ninjas to go on missions (villages source of income) and protect the village from any threat.
