Tsunade>3 tomoe itachi correct?

Tsunade>3 Tomoe itachi

  • Tsunade destroys even MS

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  • That first option is completely stupid

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  • Itachi MS or not beats tsunade Everyday

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  • Theyre equal..

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im not saying shes not, even though im not quite sure what youre referring to in the madara fight, shes just brawling and healing her team mates, which is expected from her skill sets, but itachi has demonstrated superior analytic and intelligence feats. i doubt you can provide evidence to the contrary, even with jiraiya's comment, which im going to have to go back and look at the context off, its clear shes not unparalleled in battle, you would have to have fanboyish tendencies to think otherwise. medical wise its known shes the best, no one disputes that fact, but shes demonstrated no particular skill with genjutsu that would lead me to believe she could combat itachi's main skillset

and observing a fight from a removed 3rd person stand point and being able to follow the movements is not the same as being on the same tier with them in speed or reaction time, that said itachi has hand seals so fast the sharingan has failed to pick them up on several occasions, there's no way tsunade has the physical capacity to out pace itachi's handseals with a reaction or react fast enough to out pace the sharingan movement projection, dont forget ororchimaru was the prodigy of the sannin 3 and itachi fodderized him, not saying a<b<c logic applies because it doesnt, but you cannot ignore how efficiently he can utilize his techniques
There I was talking about her feats when it comes to analysis and intelligence and getting the better from a situation.
And I was giving you example how she handled the Pein situation and also if you would look at the battle between her and Madara, you would notice her skills. In the fight with Madara she devised an attack on Madara so that the other kages could attack him while he responded to her attack.

While she knew Madara was not a shinobi to be messed with, as he's a legend, she already begun Byakugou for whatever case and after she was pierced, she used herself as a decoy to left an open attack to the other Kages towards Madara. What makes you think that against Itachi she couldn't use preventive measures? And in terms of comparison, Madara is known to be the most powerful shinobi amongst the Uchihas.

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That led to force Madara to make allt he wood clones.

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Of course, you would say that he was playing with them, but Madara is known to be cocky and uses tricks as mind toying to disband the trust in their own forces.
If he would've just played, I don't see why it was neccesary to even bring the perfect Susanoo.

So, yes, this is a skillset of hers I have proven against an even more powerful Sharingan user.
Do not forget that she is a Senju. Where other clans focused on mastering one particular skill, the Senju were masters in all skills, from ninjutsu, to taijutsu, to genjutsu. Because of this, they were feared as "the clan with a thousand skills".
Tsunade is a Senju. And I have never heard until now a Sharingan shinobi to get trapped into a Genjutsu/Tsukyomi, whatever.

I will give you the fact that this is 50/50 chances as such a fight hasn't been shown. But as you can say that my statement is false and not in the manga, you still cannot contradict me on this just because of that fact, because the manga has never shown us a Senju being caught in a genjutsu.

Ok, as you've all anyway didn't take into consideration my explanation of her techique and brain mastery because we're talking about medical knowledge here, which Tsunade posesses, I once again ask you, what will make you believe she would fall for that taking into consideration her knowledge about the Uchihas.

Most of you gave me the argument with Orochimaru. Orochimaru was known that he was in seek of the Sharingan and a big 'admirer' and every other shinobi falled to that because everyone was mesmerised, but Tsunade never showed a keen interest in Sharingans and being part of a clan which fought against the Uchihas for so many years is common knowledge that this is the top tier thing to evoid. Plus, once again, I repeat myself, she has shown mastery with brain damage which belongs, once again I say it, to the medical field which she's top one. Yes, that would be from the outside, but I already explained previously about her technique and the connection to brain, anything body related, sensing related. It's pure common knowledge.

While I can't contradict you with your statements, based on basic knowledge and her medical skills you can't contradict me neither.

All I have shown here is pure feats of hers and ways of counter-attack it medical and feat wise.

Oh, you brought up to me the Naruto thing. Yes, it was through the finger, but what you can't take into consideration is the fact that Naruto looked into Itachi's eyes, plus, his battle and anything related wise experience is not the same as Tsunade's.
Naruto is 16 while Tsunade is in her mid 50's.

You say Tsunade can't keep the speed to Itachi's handseals even though I showed you feats of her reaction speed. Well, she is fast enough to acknowledge what he's about to do and find a counter-attack to it, meaning, you don't need fast speed to move your eyes in another direction because this is pretty much you need to do in order not to get caught into a genjutsu. All you need is a blink of an eye and direction change.

Yes, Orochimaru was the prodigy of the team, I give you that, but as I have stated up there, he was after the sharingan, he needed to have information about how it worked and has admired it all the time. Tsunade hasn't shown once interest in the sharingan. And when the time came and she got back she hasn't acted like she didn't know how to deal with Sharingan damages. She just instantly healed both Kakashi and Sasuke, and by that, using common sense you get the idea that she knows how the sharingan works.
Is not like she stood and studied in that precise moment the sharingan, while Orochimaru always has shown keen interest in him, trying to get to know more about it. I once say, no such a reaction has been shown on Tsunade.
She just took the problem that the Sharingan caused and dealth with it. Quickly.

I haven't denied Itachi's efficiency when it comes to his techniques. You, along with the others seem to deny showed feats of Tsunade.

And as Itachi himself, stated: Every technique has a weakness!

The weaknesses Tsunade has shown until now is the fact that her techniques have an end. But she has an enormous chakra pool so that's what makes her more lasting in a battle than the majority of the shinobis. She was able to keep her Byakugou activated for an entire day until the night. That, after she went through the Raikage's Heavenly Transfer which supposedly should have shred her to pieces, yet, she got out from with little damage shown to her, few scratches.

Yes, Tsunade's weakness is the outlasting, that's her spot, but that can be done by with huge chakra reserves, meaning, the only one I see now are the tailed beasts and Naruto being Uzumaki. As she is part Senju, part Uzumaki, by nature her chakra pool is already immense, not to mention that she as well stores chakra so outlasting Tsunade is pretty hard.

There, I have even shown you a weakness of hers while all everyone else did was just praise Itachi but never has shown a weak spot of his.

Theory on Tsuande's Disadvantage:
Guys don't get mad when i say this cause im just asking but, there has been proof shown that the 3 Tomoe Sharingan can take over Summonings of Katsuyu's Caliber:
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There is also proof that Katsuyu can indirectly use/absorb Tsunade's Chakra:
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So is it possible that Itachi could just take control over Katsuyu and use Katsuyu to absorb all of Tsuande's chakra until she resemblances are actual age? or until Death? Or could Itachi simply use Katsuyu to constantly give Itachi tsuande's Chakra?If you can give manga prove of why he couldn't do this i would accept it.​

Chakra Disruption Method:
An Argument i have seen that those on this thread have attempted to use that the manga proves against is that disrupting ones own chakra will allow you to escape ITACHI's Genjutsu and that knowing that making Eye contact with Itachi is the way he uses some of his Genjutsu's does not mean those powers are out of the question in that battle.
We all know that in the fight with Itachi Naruto was put in the finger Genjutsu:
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Also Itachi admits that during this fight he could not use his Mangekyou Sharingan so this also adds to the Credibility of What I'm Saying about Itachi's Regular genjutsus.Here is Wisdom from Jiraiya on Genjutsu and how to escape.
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He mentions that to remove yourself from a genjutsu you must add more chakra to disrupt your chakra flow. Naruto asks "What if even that doesn't work?" Jiraiya replying and telling Naruto a much more effective way of escape strongly implies that this method does not always work as proven here:
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Here is naruto trying to free himself of Itachi's finger Genjutsu through disrupting his Chakra.
Itachi specializes in Genjutsu thus giving him the knowledge of when a Victim is attempting to free himself. Freeing yourself from Genjutsu through disrupting your own chakra is alot more difficult than said, do to the fact that your still inside the genjutsu when attempting to free yourself. Itachi is one to abuse the mentality of his Victims to the point where this method does not work:
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Itachi makes it intolerable for those trapped in his Mastery of Illusion. Therefore simply creating a giant surge of Chakra will not automatically break you free from Genjutsu even those not on Tsukuyomi level.
In case this is not enough to prove that Genjutsu still works on Tsunade then I will give you a hypothetical Situation.
You guys are saying that with the help of Tsunade's Stored chakra in her forehead that would break her out of the Genjutsu, but Let's say itachi puts her in a Genjutsu and then she uses this Seal tp break free. What if Itachi put's her in another Genjutsu after the Seal? Because there is no longer any Surge of Chakra that she can produce on her own(without Katsuyu's help) would she still be able to break Itachi's Genjutsu? I think not but with the seal I am convinced that she has a free-be to get out of 1 of Itachi's Genjutsu's but being put another one after she uses this seal once because it's not longer a surge of Chakra now that it has mixed within her own. All That proof behind Solo breaking free from ITACHI's genjutsu not working was simply to build up for the theory that If he puts her in a Second Genjutsu after the seal that she will in a load of trouble.
Reason Why Knowledge Doesn't Beat Itachi:
I have also seen it argued that With knowledge that Itachi can cast Jutsu with eye contact, that Itachi can not trap his oppoent within a Genjutsu.
This is False;
Those who have Major Knowledge of the Sharingan always tends to get trapped do to their Admiration of the Sharingan, No ninja that has come across the Sharingan has not stopped for a moment to take a glanceand admire is look:
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Both Deidara and Orochimaru did great research on the sharingan eyes in order to defeat Sharingan users yet the Sharingan itself draws it's oppoents into looking into their eyes.
Kakashi had information of Itachi's Eye Genjutsus in their first battle and was still caught in one:
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Naruto had information from Kakashi and Chiyo and was Caught:
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Both gave naruto numerous Sharingan fighting methods and he was still caught:
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Even Sasuke was caught in 3 of Itachi's Genjutsus and he has the most knowledge of Itachi's Techs:
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Two of these Genjutsus he only used 3 Tomoe Sharingan. Itachi Uchiha is one Ninja that has proved himself Time and again that even with knowledge on him you will be put in a Genjutsu whenever he chooses.
To Summarize Since Tsuande has the Seal on her forhead and Katsuyu as a Summoning, with 3 Genjutsus Itachi would be effectiveely able to capture Tsuande in the Third one. 1 Genjutsu to gain control over Katsuyu, 2 To put Tsuande in a Genjutsu,3 To put Tsuande in a Genjutsu after the Seal frees her because after the seal and Katsuyu have been nullified she is free to be put in a Genjutsu. I talked about how the Disruption Method does not always Succeed and has a record as of Naruto vs Itachi, for failing against Itachi. Knowledge on Itachi's Techs does not remove the Risk of his Genjutsu. I also put a easy theory up for how Itachi could possibly defeat Tsuande.
Itachi would need 3 Genjutsus to Defeat Tsunade because it would take 3 Genjutsus for him to succeed and trapping her in one. Since you gave them both knowledge Itachi could easily put this method into Genjutsu to trap Tsuande could hold as well because I proved how the disruption method fails against itachi.​
My thoughts:
I feel is could go either way because with a Single blow Tsuande could end Itachi's Life but im leaning more towards Itachi because Landing a blow on Itachi is Damn Near impossible do to the use of his clones, genjutsus, his basic speed, the Sharingan can predict movements and Taijutsu. Itachi has shown he has great strength in Taijutsu. That One punch Tsuande needs will be almost to impossible for her to Land.

1. As I've stated and shown before, Katsuyu being a slug has no eyes. That's the way that she has been drawn. And in real life, slugs have optical tentacles, not eyes.
What does that mean? Means that slugs can swing their two retractable, light-sensitive optical tentacles independently to gaze at their surroundings. Optical tentacles, not eyes, once again. And that's a real fact, since someone called me retarded when I stated that Katsuyu cannot be put into a genjutsu because "she has eyes".

2. Katsuyu can absorb chakra if Tsunade lets her. In the panel you showed, Tsunade was lending all her chakra to Katsuyu in order to protect the villagers, she didn't took it by itself.

3. My argument was chakra control, not disruption. How can you induce chakra flows into someone's chakra who has perfect chakra control?
Again, I explained on the upper note there why Tsunade overcomes this finger trick. I don't want to get repetitive.

4. Yes, all my statements included that statement of Jiraya's as well. That is available for someone who doesn't have chakra stored and doesn't have a summon that could take her out of it. Even if it's without Katsuyu, Tsunade has been shown to release her seal with no handseals as stated by Madara himself, which means no movement.

5. Once again, you can't compare Naruto's chakra control with that of Tsunade's.

Regarding your hypotetical situation, I put you into another, to counter it.

What if Tsunade doesn't used all her chakra stored in the seal to break the genjutsu, what if she keeps more chakra to prevent that movement again as it would be expected from Itachi to try to use that technique again? She's not naive or anything less.

And take out of the consideration the seal. Genjutsu affects brainwaves. Tsunade has enough medical knowledge on how this could work and I already explained in previous posts of how she could get off that by having activated one of her technique. Creation rebirh for example. Anything that the jutsu feels that's wrong to the body (and here I am reffering myself as well to the senses because that's what Genjutsu/Tsukyomi does, it plays with your five senses), it gets it back in order. Basically what it would do, it would stabilyse the shockwaves transmitted to the brain so the brain's senses would still be normal therefore she would be capable to counter-attack.

6. The tendecy doesn't means that you will 100% do. I already stated on previous post why Tsunade hasn't shown any tendecy regarding such matter like Deidara and Orochimaru had.

7. Once again, you compare the experience of a 16 years old to the experience of a person in its mid 50's or something. That was a foolish thing to do from Sasuke.

I agree with your statement about Itachi, but we have never seen him fight Tsunade so we can't go on meere assumptions.

Also, from the same Itachi we have seen that he acknowledges Jiraya, one of the 3 Sannins. What makes you think he wouldn't do such with Tsunade as well?
With Orochimaru played because Orochimaru's weak point is the fact that he wants to know that much that he acts unresponsable and doesn't take care sometimes in the danger he puts himself in.
Take for example the meeting with Tsunade. She told him that she is not interested and so and that she will kill him so he'd better let her go, yet he still insisted, in the end for him being necessary to run-away from him.

Regarding your last statement I already showed through my posts how she would be able not to get caught. :)


tsunade fans are coming up with comebacks if only chatte was here
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Pretty sure everything's been said so far, but here's my take on it simply for the shits. First off, I don't think any type of genjutsu Itachi dishes out could keep Tsunade down for the count, Sharingan or not. While Tsukuyomi is obviously too quick to disrupt, her healing abilities will be what saves her afterwards. All genjutsu aside, Tsunade is just not fast enough to **** with Itachi at all, and seeing as Taijutsu is the least taxing form of combat on the body Itachi will have no stamina problems. In the end all Itachi really has to worry about is Tsunades taijutsu (katsuya gets pwned by genjutsu), and that's not enough. Itachi having full knowledge is just the icing on the cake.
A pretty decent opinion, only that I showed that Katsuyu has no ways of getting caught into a genjutsu. :)

And I explained even how she would break from Tsukyomi as it has to do with brain injuries.
 
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Itachi has nothing to beat tsunade without mangekyou
even if they both had full knowledge of each other. Shuriken and Kunais don't matter. if she got her hand or head cut off she can heal

genjutsu does not work because of her chakra control right?

there's no possible way she would look into his eyes if she has knowledge of him because A. She can already manage against Madara B. She knows about the sharingan in general.

tsunade is not slow and can keep up with itachi and her having knowledge completely diminishes itachis traditional style of getting his opponents in genjutsu at the start.

She's a medical ninja and can tank katons with ease. Itachi can't beat katsuyu

Tsunade> 3 tomorrow itachi no doubt thanks versus for helping me establish this

Guys! remember tsunade is too slow. itachis speed is waaay better than her. how can she hit him? oro escape her easily. We don't know more of itachi's power and we have never seen him in serious so stop compare them
 

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Tsunade wins this hands down.

First off, Genjutsu can't affect those who can alter their chakra or use chakra disruption techniques. Tsunade is the prime example of this, she can focus chakra into one small pinpointed area on her body.

So, I'm ruling all genjutsu is rendered ineffective based on that fact alone.

So, Itachi now has either his regular katon jutsu and amaterasu - which is easily dodged by Tsunade, and, if not, she can manipulate her surroundings to take a hit (by punching the ground for example).

Itachi also has susano, however, that is rendered ineffective as madara's susano is more powerful than itachi's and she was able to not only break through it but also deal a blow to madara as well.

This fight goes to Tsunade, hands down.
 
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Guys! remember tsunade is too slow. itachis speed is waaay better than her. how can she hit him? oro escape her easily. We don't know more of itachi's power and we have never seen him in serious so stop compare them
Uhm, yeah, you call that escape easily? Even if it was an attack to his advantage he still took it...

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Oh Chatte, ignore the trolls. They try to find any reason to argue.

If you look at their post history, you find some of them state that chakra disruption does rule out genjutsu, yet they come on other threads such as this one and state the latter.

It's just a bunch of hypocrites.
 

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There I was talking about her feats when it comes to analysis and intelligence and getting the better from a situation.
And I was giving you example how she handled the Pein situation and also if you would look at the battle between her and Madara, you would notice her skills. In the fight with Madara she devised an attack on Madara so that the other kages could attack him while he responded to her attack.

While she knew Madara was not a shinobi to be messed with, as he's a legend, she already begun Byakugou for whatever case and after she was pierced, she used herself as a decoy to left an open attack to the other Kages towards Madara. What makes you think that against Itachi she couldn't use preventive measures? And in terms of comparison, Madara is known to be the most powerful shinobi amongst the Uchihas.

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That led to force Madara to make allt he wood clones.

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Of course, you would say that he was playing with them, but Madara is known to be cocky and uses tricks as mind toying to disband the trust in their own forces.
If he would've just played, I don't see why it was neccesary to even bring the perfect Susanoo.

So, yes, this is a skillset of hers I have proven against an even more powerful Sharingan user.
Do not forget that she is a Senju. Where other clans focused on mastering one particular skill, the Senju were masters in all skills, from ninjutsu, to taijutsu, to genjutsu. Because of this, they were feared as "the clan with a thousand skills".
Tsunade is a Senju. And I have never heard until now a Sharingan shinobi to get trapped into a Genjutsu/Tsukyomi, whatever.

I will give you the fact that this is 50/50 chances as such a fight hasn't been shown. But as you can say that my statement is false and not in the manga, you still cannot contradict me on this just because of that fact, because the manga has never shown us a Senju being caught in a genjutsu.

Ok, as you've all anyway didn't take into consideration my explanation of her techique and brain mastery because we're talking about medical knowledge here, which Tsunade posesses, I once again ask you, what will make you believe she would fall for that taking into consideration her knowledge about the Uchihas.

Most of you gave me the argument with Orochimaru. Orochimaru was known that he was in seek of the Sharingan and a big 'admirer' and every other shinobi falled to that because everyone was mesmerised, but Tsunade never showed a keen interest in Sharingans and being part of a clan which fought against the Uchihas for so many years is common knowledge that this is the top tier thing to evoid. Plus, once again, I repeat myself, she has shown mastery with brain damage which belongs, once again I say it, to the medical field which she's top one. Yes, that would be from the outside, but I already explained previously about her technique and the connection to brain, anything body related, sensing related. It's pure common knowledge.

While I can't contradict you with your statements, based on basic knowledge and her medical skills you can't contradict me neither.

All I have shown here is pure feats of hers and ways of counter-attack it medical and feat wise.

Oh, you brought up to me the Naruto thing. Yes, it was through the finger, but what you can't take into consideration is the fact that Naruto looked into Itachi's eyes, plus, his battle and anything related wise experience is not the same as Tsunade's.
Naruto is 16 while Tsunade is in her mid 50's.

You say Tsunade can't keep the speed to Itachi's handseals even though I showed you feats of her reaction speed. Well, she is fast enough to acknowledge what he's about to do and find a counter-attack to it, meaning, you don't need fast speed to move your eyes in another direction because this is pretty much you need to do in order not to get caught into a genjutsu. All you need is a blink of an eye and direction change.

Yes, Orochimaru was the prodigy of the team, I give you that, but as I have stated up there, he was after the sharingan, he needed to have information about how it worked and has admired it all the time. Tsunade hasn't shown once interest in the sharingan. And when the time came and she got back she hasn't acted like she didn't know how to deal with Sharingan damages. She just instantly healed both Kakashi and Sasuke, and by that, using common sense you get the idea that she knows how the sharingan works.
Is not like she stood and studied in that precise moment the sharingan, while Orochimaru always has shown keen interest in him, trying to get to know more about it. I once say, no such a reaction has been shown on Tsunade.
She just took the problem that the Sharingan caused and dealth with it. Quickly.

I haven't denied Itachi's efficiency when it comes to his techniques. You, along with the others seem to deny showed feats of Tsunade.

And as Itachi himself, stated: Every technique has a weakness!

The weaknesses Tsunade has shown until now is the fact that her techniques have an end. But she has an enormous chakra pool so that's what makes her more lasting in a battle than the majority of the shinobis. She was able to keep her Byakugou activated for an entire day until the night. That, after she went through the Raikage's Heavenly Transfer which supposedly should have shred her to pieces, yet, she got out from with little damage shown to her, few scratches.

Yes, Tsunade's weakness is the outlasting, that's her spot, but that can be done by with huge chakra reserves, meaning, the only one I see now are the tailed beasts and Naruto being Uzumaki. As she is part Senju, part Uzumaki, by nature her chakra pool is already immense, not to mention that she as well stores chakra so outlasting Tsunade is pretty hard.

There, I have even shown you a weakness of hers while all everyone else did was just praise Itachi but never has shown a weak spot of his.




1. As I've stated and shown before, Katsuyu being a slug has no eyes. That's the way that she has been drawn. And in real life, slugs have optical tentacles, not eyes.
What does that mean? Means that slugs can swing their two retractable, light-sensitive optical tentacles independently to gaze at their surroundings. Optical tentacles, not eyes, once again. And that's a real fact, since someone called me retarded when I stated that Katsuyu cannot be put into a genjutsu because "she has eyes".

2. Katsuyu can absorb chakra if Tsunade lets her. In the panel you showed, Tsunade was lending all her chakra to Katsuyu in order to protect the villagers, she didn't took it by itself.

3. My argument was chakra control, not disruption. How can you induce chakra flows into someone's chakra who has perfect chakra control?
Again, I explained on the upper note there why Tsunade overcomes this finger trick. I don't want to get repetitive.

4. Yes, all my statements included that statement of Jiraya's as well. That is available for someone who doesn't have chakra stored and doesn't have a summon that could take her out of it. Even if it's without Katsuyu, Tsunade has been shown to release her seal with no handseals as stated by Madara himself, which means no movement.

5. Once again, you can't compare Naruto's chakra control with that of Tsunade's.

Regarding your hypotetical situation, I put you into another, to counter it.

What if Tsunade doesn't used all her chakra stored in the seal to break the genjutsu, what if she keeps more chakra to prevent that movement again as it would be expected from Itachi to try to use that technique again? She's not naive or anything less.

And take out of the consideration the seal. Genjutsu affects brainwaves. Tsunade has enough medical knowledge on how this could work and I already explained in previous posts of how she could get off that by having activated one of her technique. Creation rebirh for example. Anything that the jutsu feels that's wrong to the body (and here I am reffering myself as well to the senses because that's what Genjutsu/Tsukyomi does, it plays with your five senses), it gets it back in order. Basically what it would do, it would stabilyse the shockwaves transmitted to the brain so the brain's senses would still be normal therefore she would be capable to counter-attack.

6. The tendecy doesn't means that you will 100% do. I already stated on previous post why Tsunade hasn't shown any tendecy regarding such matter like Deidara and Orochimaru had.

7. Once again, you compare the experience of a 16 years old to the experience of a person in its mid 50's or something. That was a foolish thing to do from Sasuke.

I agree with your statement about Itachi, but we have never seen him fight Tsunade so we can't go on meere assumptions.

Also, from the same Itachi we have seen that he acknowledges Jiraya, one of the 3 Sannins. What makes you think he wouldn't do such with Tsunade as well?
With Orochimaru played because Orochimaru's weak point is the fact that he wants to know that much that he acts unresponsable and doesn't take care sometimes in the danger he puts himself in.
Take for example the meeting with Tsunade. She told him that she is not interested and so and that she will kill him so he'd better let her go, yet he still insisted, in the end for him being necessary to run-away from him.

Regarding your last statement I already showed through my posts how she would be able not to get caught. :)




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A pretty decent opinion, only that I showed that Katsuyu has no ways of getting caught into a genjutsu. :)

And I explained even how she would break from Tsukyomi as it has to do with brain injuries.
All you listed are feats I can easily go to wiki and do that
In terms of intelligence itachi is smarter
Slugs have eyes
People with excellent chakra control are not immune to genjutsu it makes it easier for them to break out of it via the use of release instead of the naruto/jiraya method. And orochimaru has shown us that moving in a paralysis genjutsu is not easy which leaves you wide open to attacks (the time it takes to make the release handseal while in paralysis so as to break the genjutsu is more than enough for itachi to attack. Again orochimaru tried to form the hand seal meant to release him from the genjutsu but it was difficult because it was a paralysis genjutsu)i also don't see how she can heal her brain while in Paralysis
 
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Another example as to how paralysis genjutsu is so special is shikamaru

Against Tayuya when he was caught in a paralysis genjutsu he was helpless the only thing that saved him was the shadow technique that broke his finger. Unfortunately tsunade doesn't have this the only chance of escaping is to use the release, have someone interrupt her chakra flow but her summons will be genjutsu'd, and the releases will not be instant It takes time because of the paralysis which leaves her Wide open
 
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All you listed are feats I can easily go to wiki and do that
In terms of intelligence itachi is smarter
Slugs have eyes
People with excellent chakra control are not immune to genjutsu it makes it easier for them to break out of it via the use of release instead of the naruto/jiraya method. And orochimaru has shown us that moving in a paralysis genjutsu is not easy which leaves you wide open to attacks (the time it takes to make the release handseal while in paralysis so as to break the genjutsu is more than enough for itachi to attack. Again orochimaru tried to form the hand seal meant to release him from the genjutsu but it was difficult because it was a paralysis genjutsu)i also don't see how she can heal her brain while in Paralysis
1. Why didn't you do that until now? I gave examples from the manga that cannot be found on wiki, sorry to dissapoint.
2. I have showed you feats on her intelligence yet, you still ingore them. Way to go on a debate!
3. I explained how she can heal her brain. I explained you what's the difference between her and Oro. Now you proove you're only going fanboyism and can't form an logical opinion based on the given facts that can't be debates as the slugs example.

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Here is a slug in real life. What you call eyes are mere optical tentacles to intercept light. That's how they guide themselves.

End of discussion with you.
 

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1. Why didn't you do that until now? I gave examples from the manga that cannot be found on wiki, sorry to dissapoint.
2. I have showed you feats on her intelligence yet, you still ingore them. Way to go on a debate!
3. I explained how she can heal her brain. I explained you what's the difference between her and Oro. Now you proove you're only going fanboyism and can't form an logical opinion based on the given facts that can't be debates as the slugs example.

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Here is a slug in real life. What you call eyes are mere optical tentacles to intercept light. That's how they guide themselves.

End of discussion with you.
You can obviously see two black dots on the top 2 anthenas or whatever even in the anime pic u posted these dots are present. They have eyes science proves they have eyes. Idk what to say anymore

Itachi is smarter if u disagree make a thread and let's see what NB thinks about who is smarter
 

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While Itachi may be able to avoid direct hits from Tsunade via Sharingan reading of movements another issue arises in terms of taijutsu, the tendacy of her strikes to send shockwaves through the ground. Itachi would have no way of reading those. Not only does her her heavenly kick of pain do this but as seen with her scuffle with kabuto, as do her ground centered punched, and in her encounter with naruto her finger attack does as well. And while Itachi may think he has dodged the attack he may end up in a predicament very similar to Pein's Preta encountered when he tried avoid Naruto's punch.
Itachi had been held to Godly standards but if anything, his fight with Kabuto displayed that he can be caught off guard even by taijutsu. That he is not as capable as people thought he was. His bread and butter is his MS techniques. In most fights we've seen him win it's been because of those MS techniques. He one shotted Kakashi with Tsukuyomi. But was fatigued after. He stopped Kirin with Susanoo. He killed summons with Amaterasu. But what has he really done without he MS techniques? You removed those techniques from the equation so the burden of proving that he still has a chance against Tsunade relies on you.
Tsunade has proven her ability to tank katons.
Tsunade has proven that she is not slow.
Tsunade has proven her prowess in taijutsu.
Tsunade has proven her prowess in medical ninjutsu and in doing so her prowess in chakra control.
That is all that's needed to beat a 3 tomoe Itachi.
Three tomoe Itachi has 2 options try to engage Tsunade in direct hand to hand combat or try to use genjutsu on her.
Medical Ninjutsu requires precise chakra control. Tsunade has healed the citizens of her village twice.
The way in which genjutsu works is the caster controlling victim's chakra flow to the victim's head. However genjutsu can be countered if the victim is able to stop their own chakra flow. With such great chakra control this shouldn't pose much of a problem for Tsunade. I know 3 tomoe Itachi immobilized Orochimaru. This is true, but Orochimaru was not hailed as the greatest medical ninja nor has his chakra control been noted to be near Tsunade's level of expertise.
Because genjutsu would therefore serve as a waste of time, he would have to face her in CQC. Regardless of who you are it is doubtful that you can take Tsunade in CQC. Considering the way to kill Tsunade is either to exhaust her chakra or decapitate her Itachi has his work cut out for him having a kunai as his main form of weapon. He also does not have the option of blocking because the force of Tsunade's strike will break what ever he decides to block with. So he must engage in CQC with Tsunade without ever allowing himself to be touched. Let's not mention Katsuyu. Itachi's Katon's are not big enough to take down Katsuyu and may even be countered Katsuyu's acid. Beyond that how could Itachi go toe to toe with Tsunade while avoid being crushed or melted by Katsuyu?
I don't underestimate Itachi nor Overrate Tsunade. The fact of the matter is that Tsunade is a top tier fighter. As is Itachi. However, much of Itachi's fighting style relies on his MS. Taking that away makes him much weaker.

Now you say that Tsunade has no way past Yata Mirror. But considering she has Katsuyu who's acid must be more acidic than Mei's( as Katsuyu's easily and quickly melted rock and Mei's barely melted the rock wall in the room in which she was melting Sasuke's susanoo was not melting at all) Could attack Sasuke from Behind. Leaving a gaping whole in Susanoo.
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Furthermore Tsunade was able to get behind a Susanoo clone who has both EMS Sharingan and the Rinnegan Shared vision and strike it's back.
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As I've stated many times before Tsunade has an enormous supply of chakra and has shown she's able to act even when in extreme pain. So should Itachi decide to attack Tsunade with Amaterasu, the problem then becomes the fact that he has not proven himself particularly skilled with Enton. As Tsunade will continue to be on fire, that does not mean she cannot continue to attack. It is logical to assume that if she can bear to attack when impaled by two swords she can attack while burning. If she does so, Itachi's Susanoo will be set on fire as well. As the black flames will be working against him, he will have to suppress them. But suppressing them is pointless unless he suppresses the flames on Tsunade as she can continually set him on fire. Because he is not particularly skilled at Enton it will probably take a lot out of him to extinguish the black flames.
In order for the Totsuka Blade to be truly effective he has to hit Tsunade with it. Tsunade is the world's best medical ninja and we know that based on what she taught Sakura that healing is the secondary function of a medical nin, and avoiding attacks is the the primary task of a medical nin because if they die there's no one to heal the team. Therefore it only stands to reason that Tsunade is one of the most evasive characters in Naruto if her primary skill is evasion when her secondary skill is unparalleled. People mistake her decision to tank as an inability to avoid. But Madara's Katon is a perfect example of how she could have done either but chose to tank the attack. In addition if Tsunade's body were incapable of reacting quickly to attacks then Dan would not have been able to help her dodge Madara's attack as it still would have been impossible. There is a big difference between hitting large targets such as the heads of Oro's Hydra Tech and hitting a woman. There's a large difference between hitting a stationary man not paying attention and hitting an evasion specialist.

She should have some of the best chakra control in the narutoverse as the best medical nin
She also must understand very well the mechanics of genjutsu Tsukuyomi included based on how easily she healed Kakashi and Sasuke. Because she healed their injuries she should also have some idea of what to expect. Furthermore, even if she can't if she decides to use Katsuyu, a katsuyu that sits on her shoulder like the one she used during the Pein invasion should be capable of waking her. And her mental fortitude was great enough to overcome her deepest fear, so I'm not sure how damaging mentally Tsukuyomi would be for her, she may be able to tank the mental trauma.

You underrate Tsunade because you don't think critically about her skills and her feats and the implication it has in other settings.
To answer your question, I think a TBB is too much for Tsunade to take. Kirin while it would fry the cells in her body consider how many cells she must've regrown regenerating her abdomen a number of times in this one fight. Then she took on a full body katon attack and healed from that. And had she not healed the other kages and donated chakra to onoki she would've still had chakra left. Poison essentially attacks the liver and damages cells individually technically speaking Tsunade should be capable of healing from poison.

One shotting Katusyu with Amaterasu is not so easy as Katsuyu can divide and allow the part that is burning to continue to burn and leave the rest of her unscathed.

Tsunade's fear of blood was not caused by actual blood, but more of an idea that Dan's and Nawaki's blood was on her hands. It is an issue she's been able to deal with since. She not only overcame her fear of blood but got closure with Dan. There is no logical reason to assume she will regain hemophobia now. And Your assuming she is incapable of breaking out of Tsukuyomi.

Tsunade's healing them with ease means she knows exactly what part of the brain was affected and she knows how it damages the brain and how it works. Which makes her more prepared to face it.

Sasuke's genjutsu one shotted a medical ninja? No medical ninja in konoha could cure Sasuke or Kakashi of the effects of Tsukuyomi. No medical ninja in Sunagakure could heal Kankuro after Sasori had poisoned him. No other Medical ninja could counter Chiyo's poisons. Orochimaru trusted no other medical ninjas not even Kabuto to try to heal his arms. Why? Because Tsunade and her pupils are bounds ahead of regular medical ninjutsu. When Kabuto tried a technique similar to Tsunade's he was incapable of healing from a rasengan though he was considered a medical ninja prodigy. Tsunade though has healed from being impaled on more than one occasion.
If people skip it is their choice to be ignorant of the argument I've already established. Itachi may know what she's capable of but as she has such precise chakra control how exactly does he manage to do any significant harm to her? without MS
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So Itachi has a habit of going using Genjutsu right off the back? Particularly eye genjutsus usually. If you notice Tsunade has been battling Madara for quite a while now and has yet to look in his eyes. She's a senju who already knows about Sharingan genjutsu. The fact that his style is so consistent is what makes him more vulnerable as Tsunade has full knowledge. Databook stats aren't very reliable and are to be taken with a grain of salt. What really matters are cannon feats.
Well Itachi is a genjutsu specialist, whereas Tsunade is a taijutsu, evasion, and medical specialist. Kunai? Shuriken? These weapons seldom pose a threat to top tier fighters. When we're considering Exploding Clones Tsunade has Katsuyu.
Yes distance is in Tsunade's favor. She can immediately force Itachi into a taijutsu battle. Where do you get this crazy idea that in order to not look someone in the eyes while fighting you must look at their feet. I know as a martial artist I don't stare into someones eyes when I fight them nor do I stare at their feet.
It's not about setting up a scenario. It's about actually comparing the two based on their merits and abilities. Tsunade stomps three tomoe Itachi as she should be very capable of breaking through any attempt at genjutsu. She dominates in hand to hand. And without MS what does he have in his arsenal to sufficiently kill Tsunade?
Nuff said. Fanboys can't respond to this.
 

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You can obviously see two black dots on the top 2 anthenas or whatever even in the anime pic u posted these dots are present. They have eyes science proves they have eyes. Idk what to say anymore

Itachi is smarter if u disagree make a thread and let's see what NB thinks about who is smarter
Yes, you see those black dots, that black dots represent the optical interceptors, not eyes, thats what the science proves. Interceptors of light because this is what they're guiding themselves on.

Why to make a thread, when anything related Itachi Tsunade is already here?
I never said they outsmart one another, I said Tsunade can counter-attack which means at a given point I consider them actually able to be on the same pair.
 

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Yes, you see those black dots, that black dots represent the optical interceptors, not eyes, thats what the science proves. Interceptors of light because this is what they're guiding themselves on.

Why to make a thread, when anything related Itachi Tsunade is already here?
I never said they outsmart one another, I said Tsunade can counter-attack which means at a given point I consider them actually able to be on the same pair.
Land slugs are well developed for their size. They have eyes, the senses of touch and smell, and an astonishing 27,000 teeth in their mouths. Slugs have four tentacles, two of which are for seeing and two for smelling and touching their food. The two larger tentacles on top possess the eyes at the tips, and the two smaller ones near the mouth help the in digestion process. However, the mouth is not used for breathing, instead there is a hole, called the pneumostome, in the side of the body that takes care of respiration. The bigger antennae, for protective reasons, can pull their eyes into the head when the eye or eyes are touched.

They possess eyes on to of the Athena's they can see. Can't u see the eyes balls? Eyes intercept light
 
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Yes, you see those black dots, that black dots represent the optical interceptors, not eyes, thats what the science proves. Interceptors of light because this is what they're guiding themselves on.

Why to make a thread, when anything related Itachi Tsunade is already here?
I never said they outsmart one another, I said Tsunade can counter-attack which means at a given point I consider them actually able to be on the same pair.
I dont want to interfere, just IMO you shouldnt analyze an anime scientifically...Actually Katsuyu can talk so obviously she is not just an everyday slug . And she could distinct the paths of Pein and tell Naruto their weaknesses so she can see, based on this.:shrug:
 

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Land slugs are well developed for their size. They have eyes, the senses of touch and smell, and an astonishing 27,000 teeth in their mouths. Slugs have four tentacles, two of which are for seeing and two for smelling and touching their food. The two larger tentacles on top possess the eyes at the tips, and the two smaller ones near the mouth help the in digestion process. However, the mouth is not used for breathing, instead there is a hole, called the pneumostome, in the side of the body that takes care of respiration. The bigger antennae, for protective reasons, can pull their eyes into the head when the eye or eyes are touched.

They possess eyes on to of the Athena's they can see. Can't u see the eyes balls?

You fail by the fact that Katsuyu isn't a sand slug. Sand slugs have a shell.
Katsuyu is the type without a shell if you look at her design and at the regular desing of the slugs in real life.

On my knowledge those are light interceptors is not like the typical type of eyes. Maybe I am wrong.

While leaving that aside, Genjutsu affects the brain because it plays with the 5 senses. That's why most mammals are affected by it.
But slugs don't have a brain.

Slugs are gastropods. Gastropods have ganglia like annelids.

Which are a buch of nerve cells which coordinate the basic functions of sight, smell.

Another type that doesn't get affected by genjutsu are, as everyone knows, Shino's bugs because their simple nervous system. That's why animals like these cannot be caught in Genjutsu, because of their simple nervous system.

I dont want to interfere, just IMO you shouldnt analyze an anime scientifically...Actually Katsuyu can talk so obviously she is not just an everyday slug . And she could distinct the paths of Pein and tell Naruto their weaknesses so she can see, based on this.:shrug:
I did. It was my mistake as I admitted up there. But I also explained how she cannot be affected.
And the talking stuff, well, we see Gamabunta or Manda talking as well, don't we? :p
 
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You fail by the fact that Katsuyu isn't a sand slug. Sand slugs have a shell.
Katsuyu is the type without a shell if you look at her design and at the regular desing of the slugs in real life.

On my knowledge those are light interceptors is not like the typical type of eyes. Maybe I am wrong.

While leaving that aside, Genjutsu affects the brain because it plays with the 5 senses. That's why most mammals are affected by it.
But slugs don't have a brain.

Slugs are gastropods. Gastropods have ganglia like annelids.

Which are a buch of nerve cells which coordinate the basic functions of sight, smell.

Another type that doesn't get affected by genjutsu are, as everyone knows, Shino's bugs because their simple nervous system. That's why animals like these cannot be caught in Genjutsu, because of their simple nervous system.



I did. It was my mistake as I admitted up there. But I also explained how she cannot be affected.
And the talking stuff, well, we see Gamabunta or Manda talking as well, don't we? :p
Yeah I said land not sand
And yeah Katsuya who can talk, listen, take instructions, memorized one of the abilities of pain has no brain ?
Err I disagree
Katsuya does have a brain :ice:
 

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I have proven that she has eyes even you have agreed that she does, her eyeballs where shown in the pictures you posted
I have shown you why Katsuya has a brain
Katsuya can be genjutsu'd
 

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Itachi v Tsunade with just the max out sharingan will end with itachi losing

But

Itachi v Tsunade with MS itachi would win


The reason i say he loses the first fight is because he uses MS in all his fights taking that away is just as bad as taking both of his arms away. No one knows when itachi really got the MS so their isnt enough about without it beside the basic ninja stuff. Now if you talking about MS itachi he could beat tsunade.

First i hate that fact that ppl try to compare her fighting madara to itachi. First madara is said to be the best but from his battle so far with the kages it seem like he doesnt use his sharingan at all but to read ppls movements and thats it. Itachi changing the battle in total. My opinion now i dont think marada is even trying to catch anyone in a genjutsu because if that the case everyone there gave plenty of openings for genjutsu. Itachi uses the MS to its fullest from blaze to genjutsu.


First stated plenty of times here the way to genjutsu is to have good chakra control and some on the outside help as well. For that we have a perfect example naruto. Alone he has crazy chakra even if he cant control it sending it everywhere is just as good said by jiraya but still it wasn't enough. He also needed sakura and chiyo. Sakura to be trained tsunada has great control and chiyo to be able to suppress her chakra strings said by sasori is hard to do him being a puppet master. It took those 3 fact to break a genjutsu from a 33% clone. So if the really itachi is there at 100% things change a lot. So that will be the problems for tsunade since even with good chakra control itachi seems to be able to give problems anyone with his genjutsu. Putting that aside tsunade can tank anything else itachi can do. With that being say tsunade take this fight.


I also read that she heal tsukuyomi so she can counter it. Just cause you know how something works doesnt mean you stop it because if thats the case we would have cancer today because we know what it does and how it work but still we can beat it. Also doesnt really have nerve system jutsu
 
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