Tsunade would have to have her medical jutsu activated from the start of the fight and even by then Itachi would have her figured out and dead. She cant counter Izanagi or Izanami. Itachis susanoo would completely outclass and destroy Tsunade.
Yeah I said land not sand
And yeah Katsuya who can talk, listen, take instructions, memorized one of the abilities of pain has no brain ?
Err I disagree Katsuya does have a brain :ice:
I have proven that she has eyes even you have agreed that she does, her eyeballs where shown in the pictures you posted
I have shown you why Katsuya has a brain
Katsuya can be genjutsu'd
Sorry, I read sand. My bad. And agreeing with your statement I already explained. It's her different type of brain structure that makes her not being able to get into a genjutsu.
Tsunade would have to have her medical jutsu activated from the start of the fight and even by then Itachi would have her figured out and dead. She cant counter Izanagi or Izanami. Itachis susanoo would completely outclass and destroy Tsunade.
Ok Katsuya is able to see and recognize / remember a persons face
For her to recognize or remember it takes co-operation between the brain and eyes. For her to comprehend what she see it requires co -operation between the eyes and brain.
She can be genjutsu's
Guys don't get mad when i say this cause im just asking but, there has been proof shown that the 3 Tomoe Sharingan can take over Summonings of Katsuyu's Caliber:
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There is also proof that Katsuyu can indirectly use/absorb Tsunade's Chakra:
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So is it possible that Itachi could just take control over Katsuyu and use Katsuyu to absorb all of Tsuande's chakra until she resemblances are actual age? or until Death? Or could Itachi simply use Katsuyu to constantly give Itachi tsuande's Chakra?If you can give manga prove of why he couldn't do this i would accept it.
Chakra Disruption Method:
An Argument i have seen that those on this thread have attempted to use that the manga proves against is that disrupting ones own chakra will allow you to escape ITACHI's Genjutsu and that knowing that making Eye contact with Itachi is the way he uses some of his Genjutsu's does not mean those powers are out of the question in that battle.
We all know that in the fight with Itachi Naruto was put in the finger Genjutsu:
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Also Itachi admits that during this fight he could not use his Mangekyou Sharingan so this also adds to the Credibility of What I'm Saying about Itachi's Regular genjutsus.Here is Wisdom from Jiraiya on Genjutsu and how to escape.
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He mentions that to remove yourself from a genjutsu you must add more chakra to disrupt your chakra flow. Naruto asks "What if even that doesn't work?" Jiraiya replying and telling Naruto a much more effective way of escape strongly implies that this method does not always work as proven here:
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Here is naruto trying to free himself of Itachi's finger Genjutsu through disrupting his Chakra.
Itachi specializes in Genjutsu thus giving him the knowledge of when a Victim is attempting to free himself. Freeing yourself from Genjutsu through disrupting your own chakra is alot more difficult than said, do to the fact that your still inside the genjutsu when attempting to free yourself. Itachi is one to abuse the mentality of his Victims to the point where this method does not work:
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Itachi makes it intolerable for those trapped in his Mastery of Illusion. Therefore simply creating a giant surge of Chakra will not automatically break you free from Genjutsu even those not on Tsukuyomi level.
In case this is not enough to prove that Genjutsu still works on Tsunade then I will give you a hypothetical Situation.
You guys are saying that with the help of Tsunade's Stored chakra in her forehead that would break her out of the Genjutsu, but Let's say itachi puts her in a Genjutsu and then she uses this Seal tp break free. What if Itachi put's her in another Genjutsu after the Seal? Because there is no longer any Surge of Chakra that she can produce on her own(without Katsuyu's help) would she still be able to break Itachi's Genjutsu? I think not but with the seal I am convinced that she has a free-be to get out of 1 of Itachi's Genjutsu's but being put another one after she uses this seal once because it's not longer a surge of Chakra now that it has mixed within her own. All That proof behind Solo breaking free from ITACHI's genjutsu not working was simply to build up for the theory that If he puts her in a Second Genjutsu after the seal that she will in a load of trouble.
Reason Why Knowledge Doesn't Beat Itachi:
I have also seen it argued that With knowledge that Itachi can cast Jutsu with eye contact, that Itachi can not trap his oppoent within a Genjutsu.
This is False;
Those who have Major Knowledge of the Sharingan always tends to get trapped do to their Admiration of the Sharingan, No ninja that has come across the Sharingan has not stopped for a moment to take a glanceand admire is look:
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Both Deidara and Orochimaru did great research on the sharingan eyes in order to defeat Sharingan users yet the Sharingan itself draws it's oppoents into looking into their eyes.
Kakashi had information of Itachi's Eye Genjutsus in their first battle and was still caught in one:
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Naruto had information from Kakashi and Chiyo and was Caught:
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Both gave naruto numerous Sharingan fighting methods and he was still caught:
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Even Sasuke was caught in 3 of Itachi's Genjutsus and he has the most knowledge of Itachi's Techs:
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Two of these Genjutsus he only used 3 Tomoe Sharingan. Itachi Uchiha is one Ninja that has proved himself Time and again that even with knowledge on him you will be put in a Genjutsu whenever he chooses.
To Summarize Since Tsuande has the Seal on her forhead and Katsuyu as a Summoning, with 3 Genjutsus Itachi would be effectiveely able to capture Tsuande in the Third one. 1 Genjutsu to gain control over Katsuyu, 2 To put Tsuande in a Genjutsu,3 To put Tsuande in a Genjutsu after the Seal frees her because after the seal and Katsuyu have been nullified she is free to be put in a Genjutsu. I talked about how the Disruption Method does not always Succeed and has a record as of Naruto vs Itachi, for failing against Itachi. Knowledge on Itachi's Techs does not remove the Risk of his Genjutsu. I also put a easy theory up for how Itachi could possibly defeat Tsuande.
Itachi would need 3 Genjutsus to Defeat Tsunade because it would take 3 Genjutsus for him to succeed and trapping her in one. Since you gave them both knowledge Itachi could easily put this method into Genjutsu to trap Tsuande could hold as well because I proved how the disruption method fails against itachi.
My thoughts:
I feel is could go either way because with a Single blow Tsuande could end Itachi's Life but im leaning more towards Itachi because Landing a blow on Itachi is Damn Near impossible do to the use of his clones, genjutsus, his basic speed, the Sharingan can predict movements and Taijutsu. Itachi has shown he has great strength in Taijutsu. That One punch Tsuande needs will be almost to impossible for her to Land.
1. I think you mistake what was going on their. It was Tsunade's technique and she was using Katsuyu as a medium to heal. Katsuyu wasn't taking chakra from Tsunade, Tsunade was distributing her chakra through the Katsuyu minis into a mass healing jutsu.
2. I fail to see the connection between how grave the illusion is and how it cannot be broken. Can you clarify that connection? And while it is true that Jiraiya said referred to the buddy method as a safer means, it is also true that Jiraiya considered himself and Naruto to be alike and he considered himself fairly unskilled in matters relating to genjutsu.
3. The Sharingan does not pull persons into looking at it, unless you can tell me why Tsunade has yet to look at Madara's sharingan.
4. Sasuke assumed he could stand a genjutsu fight with Itachi, Tsunade is not assuming this as she certainly doesn't specialize in casting genjutsu.
Ok Katsuya is able to see and recognize / remember a persons face
For her to recognize or remember it takes co-operation between the brain and eyes. For her to comprehend what she see it requires co -operation between the eyes and brain.
She can be genjutsu's
Well, in the end this is a scientifically flaw from Kishimoto but anyway.
Taking in consideration this. She still has the diving thing. While a part of her is caught in genjutsu the other could give her chakra and take it out and afterwards get out of genjutsu Tsunade. So, basically because of her splitting skills she forms new little brains that aren't affected.
How would you look into the eyes of 100 mini katsuyus?
Let's say you guys are hypothetically correct, does Itachi understand the chakra system of slug that can divide and keep its chakra system intact well enough to control said slug? What is the nature of it's chakra system if Tsunade can give chakra to one mini and all other versions receive it as well? Because Katsuyu's chakra system is so unique should Tsunade give a K-mini chakra then all other Katsuyus will be out of the genjutsu. Making genjutsu inefficient and easily broken against Katsuyu.
Why do you assume Tsunade would look Itachi in the eye when the only data in which she fought an Uchiha suggests otherwise? Furthermore, I hold that a normal genjutsu will not hold Tsunade. And I highly doubt a sharingan will with either. Yes Sharingan genjutsus are of a higher caliber, but as is Tsunade and her chakra control. When the skill of an attack rises, the skill of the counter must rise as well. In this case it does, but you wish to raise the Sharingan to the point where it cannot be defeated and its genjutsus are automatic and undefendable and for some opponents it may be but it is unlikely to the case for all opponents, especially Tsunade.
No one ever stated that she could easily win this. We must not forget that Itachi was more of a prodigy in Uchiha clan than Sasuke. He was the one that feat-wise has shown how powerful the Uchihas can be, but that doesn't mean that he cannot be defeated by a well-prepared shinobi.
but if 3 tomo itachi can beat oro then he probably can beat tsunade.Since tsunade has to rely on that slug wouldn't itachi stop her? if the slug is so damn useful why hasn't she summoned it against madara???
seriousely man? 2 tomoe itachi can still defeat tsunade. stop trolling. brute force can never exceed itachi's intelligence. your underestimating itachi.
He kind of made it clear ever since the first series "Naruto" that the girls suck and the only thing they are good for is medical nin otherwise they suck complete balls.
Itachi beats Tsunade 10 out of 10 times. He may or may not have 2 use MS some of those 10 times. But if s#!@ got real Tsunade has absolutely nothing for Susunoo especially with Yata mirror....
but if 3 tomo itachi can beat oro then he probably can beat tsunade.Since tsunade has to rely on that slug wouldn't itachi stop her? if the slug is so damn useful why hasn't she summoned it against madara???
1. Youre still ignoring her brain structure that differs. I only took into consideration your hypotesis.
2. Invalid argument because a small Katsuyu tanked full Shinra Tensei and resisted Naruto's corrosive chakra. She is the animal summon known for being able to take high levels of damage.