Tsukuyomi and why Tsunade can break it

Do you agree?

  • Yea to some degree

    Votes: 14 17.1%
  • Like always Manga>Words

    Votes: 28 34.1%
  • NO JUST NO, TSUKUYOMI IS GODLY

    Votes: 40 48.8%

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iiPyromaniac

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Tsunade can actually break any genjutsu not by medical terms but by chackra control. I'm sure you all know the only way to break Tsukuyomi (Stated by Jiraiya himself) is either by not making eye contact with the sharingan user or by perfect chakra control. Therefore Tsunade would be able to get out of it since she is the only character left in the series with absolute perfect chakra control. The later is proved since she's the only one to control a Yin seal which is a forgotten talent of the Uzumaki clan just like the sharingan is an innate talent for Uchihas. Tsunade's chakra levels are monstrous levels. She can control huge amounts of chakra and release a PURE chakra nature Seal which would destroy any other user without the ability of controlling a chakra based seal which was only possible for Uzumakis.

So yes, theoretically Tsunade can break it. She healed Kakashi anad Sasuke of Itachi's Tsukuyomi mental effects. Also, we saw how orochimaru cut his hand to get out of genjutsu.You can always bite your own tongue. Bleeding or any real pain stops genjutsu.
Tsunade takes this.

I hope @Chatte comes to support this point sooner rather than later.

Please read with an open mind(Tsukuyomi fans)

Tsukuyomi is said to be that ocular jutsu that no one but sharingan blood line users and jinchūriki's can break, I disagree with that.

Lets look at Tsukuyomi in medical terms.
Tsukuyomi affects the victim on a psycological level. It is said to be used as a method to interogation. Also it is said to break someones will power and spirit.
Medically I think Tsunade (the greatest medical ninja) can break it, Tsunade has shown the ability to heal individuals from the AFFECTS of Tsukuyomi, I know it is the after effect of Tsukuyomi but medically wise she can break it. Orochimaru went to Tsunade to heal the most complex seal in Reaper Death seal. Althought she didn't heal it, it is likely she could've since Orochimaru was 100% sure.

The question is, would Itachi even let her break it? The thing is......... knowing how to break out of something is different from actually doing it and accomplishing it. The complexity of how Itachi does Tuskuyomi is critical, only a few in my opinion can break it(Madara, Killerbee, Naruto, Izuna, and Yagura ). I feel thatTsunade can break it in medical terms. For the record Tsuanade is garbage and plays the role she was designed for(medical nin), I'm not a fanboy.

Both of you make solid points here, in terms of logic. But, no, regardless of Chakra control, Tsunade cannot break out of Tsukuyomi. Especially not since it paralyzes the target. If Kakashi could not break it with three tomoe Sharingan, than how can Tsunade break out of it just by Chakra control? If Chakra control was the answer, Tsukuyomi would not be such a formidable genjutsu, Itachi would not say that only one of the Uchiha clan fully skilled in three tomoe Sharingan would be able to break free of it. And even then the chances of that are slim. Both great in theory, though.
 

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Even if Tsunade went through the torture of Tsukuyomi and Itachi succeeded in damaging her psychologically, that alone wouldn't be enough to stop her. Have people forgotten that Tsunade HEALED Kakashi and Sasuke from its effects? She can certainly heal the effects of tsukuyomi on herself. She's healed the effects of Tsukuyomi on Kakashi and Sasuke, there's no reason to doubt that she wouldn't have prepared a counter for it if she had no counter for it prior to that.
 

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I have seen a post saying that Katsuyu could help her, but that's not actually possible due to that being a summon.
Due to the relatively short time span in which Tsukuyomi happens, at what point does Tsunade have time to perform a summon?
She doesn't. If Kakashi couldn't break free of it using his Sharingan, then how is Tsunade supposed to? Tsunade can only heal the after effects of tsukuyomi, not the effects that have already taken place.
 

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Itachi controls the time and space, not even Madara can break from it. Madara still stomps Itachi but all Madara can do is take the torture and come out like a baws.
 
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Stopped reading when you said i Disagree with that.

It's manga mate , Manga > You , me and everybody.

Tsukyomi is special , even Jinchurickis can't Break it.
The Manga contradicts it self with each new or previous iteration of a jutsu or character. Also everyone is entitled to have opinions to make light of the Manga's contradictions. So tell me did Itachi create Tsukuyomi first? No, so how would the most overpowered clan lose to Senju and previous clans, its obvious that if Tsukuyomi at the level some of you hold it at was not as overpowered as it would seem but anyway you're right Manga > Words
 

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Here Itachi says that his Tsukoyomi cannot be beaten.


Here Chiyo explains how to cancel the genjutsu by partners:


But here Kakashi says that Tsukoyomi is not a normal genjutsu so it cannot be cancelled by average means.


Kakashi, a kage-level ninja with the sharingan, couldn't break it. He experienced and analyzed it, and said that "There is no cancelling the effects of it". So don't overrate Tsunade just because she is a medical nin ...
Deal with it...
 

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tsunade can break through tsukuyomi without breaking a problem and analyse it due to her knowledge of fighting uchiha clan members and that's it.
 

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no.but after itachi released tsukuyomi,maybe tsunade could heal her mental damage if itachi wouldnt finish her off first.that˙s all i can give tsunade here:shrug:
 

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I'll rep you too, for your effort.
 

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Guys. guys. Tsukyomi works given the extent of the chakra flow that the user does it in the enemy system. On someone normal who doesn't have Sharingan and who doesn't possess the skills that Tsunade has, it works, but given her mastery in the human body, it won't.
Let me explain you why.

What does Tsukuyomi do? It takes your chakra which flow throught the tubes that are connected to your cells and through shock waves it sends different commands to your brain.
Mind is working dependable on how the brain works. If your shock waves dictate you to jump in one feet in your mind you jump in one feet, because these are the signals your brain is receiving.

Genjutsu (generally speaking, meaning it includes them all, even Tsukuyomi) is created when a ninja extends their chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system of their opponent to control their minds chakra, thereby affecting their five senses. Genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses.

Who has been showed to fix these irregularities if not Tsunade, as I said up there? Given her technique, any type of damage done to her brain in order to do damage to the body, given the techique it would be impossible because it would counter it. Basically any damage that comes, either mental or pshysical, the jutsu will make it ineffective. It's a link between the jutsu and the body. As in the technique is programmed to heal/resolve any irregularities that it feels in connection to the body.


compeletly biased tsukyomi is no regular genjutsu
 

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Well, will tsunade ever fight itachi for us to find out? No. /thread
 

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How are you gonna talk about tsukuyomi when you don't know how its obtained.. smh. ANYONE with a susano'o automatically has Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu.

It is still a genjutsu... it can be stopped with the chakra flow disruption. Yes it is a complicated one.. but the concept is the same.

Looking at how desperate Madara was to win that fight..... he had to use it. He was a underdog in that fight.. He didn't have overwhelming force.....The one with OW force would be Hashirama in that fight.

nah it happens instantly, a sec basically no one can solo tsukyomi

who used tsukyomi on hashirama?
madara? we don;t know if madara's tsukyomi is the same as itachi's, we don;t know if madara used tsukyomi on hashi the rest are ur assumptions.
 

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nah it happens instantly, a sec basically no one can solo tsukyomi

who used tsukyomi on hashirama?
madara? we don;t know if madara's tsukyomi is the same as itachi's, we don;t know if madara used tsukyomi on hashi the rest are ur assumptions.

Tusukyomi is the same jutsu no matter what the person.. And Madara is the Greatest Uchiha... And its not a assumption its a simple Uchiha fact.
 

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What?!?! no one can break out of Itachi highest tsukoyomi(the one he did 2 Kakashi) not even jinjurikis because u need Atleast sometime 2 break out even bee broke out of sasuke tsukoyomi in 3 seconds but all Itachi needs is one second leaving no time 4 anyone 2 break out of it. Right? :p
 

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what is the point of a thread like this???
 

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Tusukyomi is the same jutsu no matter what the person.. And Madara is the Greatest Uchiha... And its not a assumption its a simple Uchiha fact.

i know u mean that it can be countered by chakra disruption in general but itachi's makes it nearly impossible as oppose to that of sasuke.

madara is the greatest uchiha i never argued about it.
but i haven't seen him use tsukyomi.
 

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tsukyomi is not a regular genjutsu she cannot break it DEAL WITH IT, nothing you said even matters or is relevant she cannot break out...what does healing the the affects of tsukyomi have to do with ANYTHING smh

also sasuke never broke anything he was allowed to break it, chakra disruption does not break tsukuyomi, also Jinchuriki can be controlled even perfect jinchuriki..... the only counter is to not look into their eyes and dnt let them see you EX: bringer of darkness, hidden mist
 
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Itachi said only a sharingan user can break it.kakashi also told chiyo that you cant break it like normal genjutsu so. I doubt tsunade can break out
 

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I thnk its impossible fr a 3rd person to heal a guy affected by Tsukyomi. Nd Itachi's tsukyomi is on a whole diff. lvl. Noone breaks it until they r mentally strong enough to reject it. Once Tsunade gets trapped in it, she wouldnt even know whats going on nd she is done. She is nt a medic who has researched with Uchiha forbidden doujutsus like tsukyomi. Its likely she never knew about it bfore. Also i agree with ur list of probable tsukyomi breakers xcpt u frgt to add Sasuke.
 
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