Tsukuyomi and why Tsunade can break it

[Chatte]

Guys. guys. Tsukyomi works given the extent of the chakra flow that the user does it in the enemy system. On someone normal who doesn't have Sharingan and who doesn't possess the skills that Tsunade has, it works, but given her mastery in the human body, it won't.
Let me explain you why.

What does Tsukuyomi do? It takes your chakra which flow throught the tubes that are connected to your cells and through shock waves it sends different commands to your brain.
Mind is working dependable on how the brain works. If your shock waves dictate you to jump in one feet in your mind you jump in one feet, because these are the signals your brain is receiving.

Genjutsu (generally speaking, meaning it includes them all, even Tsukuyomi) is created when a ninja extends their chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system of their opponent to control their minds chakra, thereby affecting their five senses. Genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses.

Who has been showed to fix these irregularities if not Tsunade, as I said up there? Given her technique, any type of damage done to her brain in order to do damage to the body, given the techique it would be impossible because it would counter it. Basically any damage that comes, either mental or pshysical, the jutsu will make it ineffective. It's a link between the jutsu and the body. As in the technique is programmed to heal/resolve any irregularities that it feels in connection to the body.

 

[TrueNarutoFan3000]

no, you are wrong indeed!.
Jiraiya himself stated in the Tsunade's arc that "in hand to hand combat she has no equal"... and Jiraiya was (in my opinion) the real sage on the series. For me, whatever Jiraiya said is like a testament, something to not to disagree with.
Just because Gai can use the 8 gates it doesn't mean he can actually beat Tsunade's taijutsu. They are just different types of Taijutsu. Gai uses the 8 inner gates (which Tsunade could have mastered as well) and on the other hand Tsunade uses monstrous strength and chakra enhanced strength which is actually impossible for Gai since his chakra is as low as Kakashi's.
Tsunade didn't need to master a Technique that can actually kill you since her chakra is ridiculously monstrous and she can Tank any kinds or ranks of attacks by her Ninja Art: Genesis of the Divine Rebirth or her Byakugou no jutsu.
and lee??? I loled when you said that ( no offense) . Tsunade would uuse ONE finger to defeat lee's taijutsu just as she did with the kaki Naruto.
Just think about it and you will understand my point... you are a clever one.

I agree with the Jiraiya statement, taijutsu with 1 hit knock out power is diffrent from taijutsu with multiply taijutsu's incorporated into it. For instances can Tsuande pick up a nunchuck and best Guy with it no, can she pick up Lee's Tonfa and best him with it no.
Tsuande incorporates strength into her taijutsu, Guy and Lee incorporates speed into theirs but overall they're better because they are well rounded, Guy has tremendous strength too but not like Tsunade, each of them has been praised as masters of taijutsu's too.

I disagree. Yes she doesn't have Uchiha DNA but she is both Senju and Uzimaki, and the Uzimaki's share both clans ( Uchiha/Senju) DNA so she has a diluted amount. But she also is able to control her chakra on a level that in itself is godlike being able to use the yin seal which no one else can because they lack the ability. It's okay to be a fan of the Uchiha but be more subjective and use rationale, tsukuyomi isn't the ultimate genjutsu so as Itachi said it has it's weaknesses, a medical nin like tsunade could exploit those weaknesses because she's seen what it does and how it affects you; do you honestly think she wouldn't come up with a way to combat that tech after treating Kakashi and the emo kid for it?[/QUOTET

Totally agreed

 

[iCuRiddY]

The mental effects are all based on CHAKRA MANIPULATION, if you can control your CHAKRA better than the caster ( and Tsunade just so happens to be able to use her chakra on a godlike level) then of course she can break it without being affected the way Kakashi was. Stop being a fan-boy it's pathetic

What's pathetic is you not being able to carry out a decent debate without resorting to insults....

I'm not a fan boy, I do like itachi but that doesn't make me a fan boy. I'm going by manga facts in which were stated that Itachis tsukuyomi can only be broken by another sharingan user.

What u fail to realize is that tsukuyomi only lasts one second real time, she doesn't have the necessary tools to combat the mental aspects of the jutsu. It was specifically stated that one needs a sharingan to do this. Not perfect chakra control.

Next time, try to carry out a decent debate without resorting to insults because it only makes you look like an idiot.

@ Slug princess
You defend your fav character with intelligent points

 

[Slug Princess]

Guys. guys. Tsukyomi works given the extent of the chakra flow that the user does it in the enemy system. On someone normal who doesn't have Sharingan and who doesn't possess the skills that Tsunade has, it works, but given her mastery in the human body, it won't.
Let me explain you why.

What does Tsukuyomi do? It takes your chakra which flow throught the tubes that are connected to your cells and through shock waves it sends different commands to your brain.
Mind is working dependable on how the brain works. If your shock waves dictate you to jump in one feet in your mind you jump in one feet, because these are the signals your brain is receiving.

Genjutsu (generally speaking, meaning it includes them all, even Tsukuyomi) is created when a ninja extends their chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system of their opponent to control their minds chakra, thereby affecting their five senses. Genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses.

Who has been showed to fix these irregularities if not Tsunade, as I said up there? Given her technique, any type of damage done to her brain in order to do damage to the body, given the techique it would be impossible because it would counter it. Basically any damage that comes, either mental or pshysical, the jutsu will make it ineffective. It's a link between the jutsu and the body. As in the technique is programmed to heal/resolve any irregularities that it feels in connection to the body.

+rep my friend !

 

[TrueNarutoFan3000]

Guys. guys. Tsukyomi works given the extent of the chakra flow that the user does it in the enemy system. On someone normal who doesn't have Sharingan and who doesn't possess the skills that Tsunade has, it works, but given her mastery in the human body, it won't.
Let me explain you why.

What does Tsukuyomi do? It takes your chakra which flow throught the tubes that are connected to your cells and through shock waves it sends different commands to your brain.
Mind is working dependable on how the brain works. If your shock waves dictate you to jump in one feet in your mind you jump in one feet, because these are the signals your brain is receiving.

Genjutsu (generally speaking, meaning it includes them all, even Tsukuyomi) is created when a ninja extends their chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system of their opponent to control their minds chakra, thereby affecting their five senses. Genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses.

Who has been showed to fix these irregularities if not Tsunade, as I said up there? Given her technique, any type of damage done to her brain in order to do damage to the body, given the techique it would be impossible because it would counter it. Basically any damage that comes, either mental or pshysical, the jutsu will make it ineffective. It's a link between the jutsu and the body. As in the technique is programmed to heal/resolve any irregularities that it feels in connection to the body.

Wow thank you for that medically explained layout of things and I agree 100%

 

[Chatte]

Wow thank you for that medically explained layout of things and I agree 100%

Well, I try to make people understand better how things work. Though they don't agree all the time with me, lol. But it's ok.

+rep my friend !

Thank you.

 

[Koha]

You avoid Tsukuyomi in many ways but once you've been trapped by it you can understand time distortion by being aware that you are in a genjutsu and through perfect chakra control counter the effects in your head. Tsunade is an strong-willed woman who never gives up. The way she have to get out of Tsukuyomy is easy: Just outlast enough time to understand it or release her Yin seal so that she surpasses the amount of chakra the sharingan user is using in the genjutsu, therefore making it impossible for Itachi to control her mind.
I'm just saying, it can go either way,,, but Tsunade have the best chances to get out of it. Itachi's words "every single jutsu have a weakness"
..... so, why do you Uchiha fans go against the genious Uchiha's words? Why don't you just accept it is jus another jutsu and that therefore it can be countered? ... Itachi is not the only great shinobi yo know? Not all the rest are fodders just because he has Tsukuyomi and Amaterassu. Any fight can go either way, just depends on the passion either fighter puts in.
Just keep that in mind... the fanboysm is not letting you be fair, honest and think clearly about this debates.

I'm hardly a fanboy. Please, do not bring that type of insult into a debate, you defeat yourself already from that point on... Seen you around, you're a known Tsunade fangirl, so it's hard to take you seriously without you being biased. And where have I said Itachi was a God? We're talking about his ability and Jutsu here... Itachi controls your every action in the Tsukuyomi world, and already restricts your movement in your mind, so if you can't channel your chakra in such a way where you can visualize yourself using a break technique how will you break the Genjutsu? Besides, Tsukuyomi is in a different class.. Like I've said, even if she was able to break out damage would already be done, PLUS if you wanna use manga, Itachi has already stated only one with the Sharingan AND the Kekkai Genkai can break his specific Tsukuyomi. Itachi already stated his Tsukuyomi's weakness and it's another Uchiha. Which Tsunade is not.....


Edit: Also, just saying, the human body, even in Naruto cannot react to physical changes that quickly... The time in Itachi's Tsukuyomi along with him controlling your actions (whether you're restricted being tortured or mentally thrown into a nightmare). Even if Tsunade could break it, severe mental trauma would be caused.. So, how would Tsunade truly break the Jutsu when her body doesn't even know what it's experiencing when it's already too late? Her mind is restricted and her body is left confused.....

 

[Slug Princess]

I agree with the Jiraiya statement, taijutsu with 1 hit knock out power is diffrent from taijutsu with multiply taijutsu's incorporated into it. For instances can Tsuande pick up a nunchuck and best Guy with it no, can she pick up Lee's Tonfa and best him with it no.
Tsuande incorporates strength into her taijutsu, Guy and Lee incorporates speed into theirs but overall they're better because they are well rounded, Guy has tremendous strength too but not like Tsunade, each of them has been praised as masters of taijutsu's too.

I'm glad you get the point . However, as as a ninja, either Gai or Lee pales to Tsunade. She's not just another one... if you know what I'm saying.

@ Slug princess
You defend your fav character with intelligent points

Thank you I'm glad you think so. <3

 

[Slug Princess]

I'm hardly a fanboy. Please, do not bring that type of insult into a debate, you defeat yourself already from that point on... Seen you around, you're a known Tsunade fangirl, so it's hard to take you seriously without you being biased. And where have I said Itachi was a God? We're talking about his ability and Jutsu here... Itachi controls your every action in the Tsukuyomi world, and already restricts your movement in your mind, so if you can't channel your chakra in such a way where you can visualize yourself using a break technique how will you break the Genjutsu? Besides, Tsukuyomi is in a different class.. Like I've said, even if she was able to break out damage would already be done, PLUS if you wanna use manga, Itachi has already stated only one with the Sharingan AND the Kekkai Genkai can break his specific Tsukuyomi. Itachi already stated his Tsukuyomi's weakness and it's another Uchiha. Which Tsunade is not.....

Are you sure you are replying to my post ... since I can see you got mad at me for defending my points with facts then I AM DONE TALKING TO YOU .... just for u to know... after Tsunade,my favorite character is Itachi because he's so cute . so no, I'm not being fangirl right now as you think. I love then both.

 

[TrueNarutoFan3000]

I'm hardly a fanboy. Please, do not bring that type of insult into a debate, you defeat yourself already from that point on... Seen you around, you're a known Tsunade fangirl, so it's hard to take you seriously without you being biased. And where have I said Itachi was a God? We're talking about his ability and Jutsu here... Itachi controls your every action in the Tsukuyomi world, and already restricts your movement in your mind, so if you can't channel your chakra in such a way where you can visualize yourself using a break technique how will you break the Genjutsu? Besides, Tsukuyomi is in a different class.. Like I've said, even if she was able to break out damage would already be done, PLUS if you wanna use manga, Itachi has already stated only one with the Sharingan AND the Kekkai Genkai can break his specific Tsukuyomi. Itachi already stated his Tsukuyomi's weakness and it's another Uchiha. Which Tsunade is not.....

Woah so what happened to Saskue's Tsukuyomi, it had the same concept of Tsukuyomi although a bit inferior to Itachi's, Killerbee broke out so that statement by Itachi was flauded. Also Itachi said a bunch BS which was wrong or opposite to what he said + so you're telling me Rinnegan cannot break Tsukuyomi, Rinnegan has everything of a sharingan and more and its way more powerful

 

[Koha]

Are you sure you are replying to my post ... since I can see you got mad at me for defending my points with facts then I AM DONE TALKING TO YOU .... just for u to know... after Tsunade,my favorite character is Itachi because he's so cute . so no, I'm not being fangirl right now as you think. I love then both.

Nah, I'm cool here. Lolz I just keep a serious and pensive mood when debating.. And Itachi's cool, Tsunade too. But even so, I wouldn't overrated them past the abilities they've shown because that's when extremely biased statements start to arise. Read my edit though, btw.

Note: I only got slightly annoyed with the fanboy statement, your argument and views are respected.

 

[Chatte]

Not to mention she has Katsuyu who could disrupt her chakra...

 

[AnbuSasuke]

Tsunade can actually break any genjutsu not by medical terms but by chackra control. I'm sure you all know the only way to break Tsukuyomi (Stated by Jiraiya himself) is either by not making eye contact with the sharingan user or by perfect chakra control. Therefore Tsunade would be able to get out of it since she is the only character left in the series with absolute perfect chakra control. The later is proved since she's the only one to control a Yin seal which is a forgotten talent of the Uzumaki clan just like the sharingan is an innate talent for Uchihas. Tsunade's chakra levels are monstrous levels. She can control huge amounts of chakra and release a PURE chakra nature Seal which would destroy any other user without the ability of controlling a chakra based seal which was only possible for Uzumakis.

So yes, theoretically Tsunade can break it. She healed Kakashi anad Sasuke of Itachi's Tsukuyomi mental effects. Also, we saw how orochimaru cut his hand to get out of genjutsu.You can always bite your own tongue. Bleeding or any real pain stops genjutsu.
Tsunade takes this.

I hope @Chatte comes to support this point sooner rather than later.

Im not sure but breaking itachis genjutsu on your own through chackra control seems to be just a theory made by jaraiya. Has anyone ever done it before? If I remember correctly when naruto actually tried to apply it in chapter 259 it failed miserably. And later on when he encounters him again he knows its useless and tries kakashi's original strategy.

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and I know tsunade has better chakra control but those were just regular genjutsus.

Now as for Tsukuyomi heres why it can't be broken or breaking it is useless.

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Kakashi who survived Tsukuyomi and propbably out of all non Uchiha's understands how it works best, realises the affects being instantaneous makes breaking it useless and or pointless. Tsukuyomi grants itachi full control over opponents percetion of time.This means by the time you realise you were trapped and try to escape, your minds already been through three days of torcher and its to late. This is why he says avoiding eye contact is the best approach

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Naruto also realised this which is probably why he didn't try to release it until after he finds out its just regular genjutsu and not Tsukuyomi.

As far as being able to heal her mind of the effects of Tsukuyomi, which is what I think this thread is about, I believe she can once shes released.

 

[Koha]

Woah so what happened to Saskue's Tsukuyomi, it had the same concept of Tsukuyomi although a bit inferior to Itachi's, Killerbee broke out so that statement by Itachi was flauded. Also Itachi said a bunch BS which was wrong or opposite to what he said + so you're telling me Rinnegan cannot break Tsukuyomi, Rinnegan has everything of a sharingan and more and its way more powerful

Remember though, that was Sasuke's FIRST attempt at Tsukuyomi. He only used it as a quick high leveled paralysis Jutsu, and since the Rinnegan as Madara stated is a natural evolution of the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, it's possible.. I would say Nagato would be affected by it wayyyyyy more than Madara would be since he had the Kekkai Genkai along with the Rinnegan.

 

[TrueNarutoFan3000]

I'm glad you get the point . However, as as a ninja, either Gai or Lee pales to Tsunade. She's not just another one...

Yea I see and before I forget, you sure know how to debate and I must commend you for posessing that logical skill unlike some base members that argue based on fanboy status. I applaud you.

 

[Slug Princess]

Nah, I'm cool here. Lolz I just keep a serious and pensive mood when debating.. And Itachi's cool, Tsunade too. But even so, I wouldn't overrated them past the abilities they've shown because that's when extremely biased statements start to arise. Read my edit though, btw.

Note: I only got slightly annoyed with the fanboy statement, your argument and views are respected.

I'm glad you aren't upset , lolz Thanks for your understanding.

Im not sure but breaking itachis genjutsu on your own through chackra control seems to be just a theory made by jaraiya. Has anyone ever done it before? If I remember correctly when naruto actually tried to apply it in chapter 259 it failed miserably. And later on when he encounters him again he knows its useless and tries kakashi's original strategy.

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and I know tsunade has better chakra control but those were just regular genjutsus.

Now as for Tsukuyomi heres why it can't be broken or breaking it is useless.

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Kakashi who survived Tsukuyomi and propbably out of all non Uchiha's understands how it works best, realises the affects being instantaneous makes breaking it useless and or pointless. Tsukuyomi grants itachi full control over opponents percetion of time.This means by the time you realise you were trapped and try to escape, your minds already been through three days of torcher and its to late. This is why he says avoiding eye contact is the best approach

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Naruto also realised this which is probably why he didn't try to release it until after he finds out its just regular genjutsu and not Tsukuyomi.

As far as being able to heal her mind of the effects of Tsukuyomi, which is what I think this thread is about, I believe she can once shes released.

I get your point and you get mine as well. It's good to have a nice debate. I appreciate you discussed your point before just yelling

I'm glad you get the point . However, as as a ninja, either Gai or Lee pales to Tsunade. She's not just another one...

Yea I see and before I forget, you sure know how to debate and I must commend you for posessing that logical skill unlike some base members that argue based on fanboy status. I applaud you.

Thank you <3 I just +rep you for this. I appreciate it!

 

[KingHashirama]

1. you can break Tsukuyomi by altering your chakra.. its normal genjutsu nothing big. Same shit applies.

2. Senju have shown to be Genjutsu experts

3. IF noone besides the uchiha can get of it.... i wonder how Hashirama did

 

[Slug Princess]

1. you can break Tsukuyomi by altering your chakra.. its normal genjutsu nothing big. Same shit applies.

2. Senju have shown to be Genjutsu experts

3. IF noone besides the uchiha can get of it.... i wonder how Hashirama did

lolz, That was a good one

 

[Koha]

I'm glad you aren't upset , lolz Thanks for your understanding.

No worries ^_^ and anytime, I'm pretty laid back normally haha

 

[KingHashirama]

lolz, That was a good one

Its like they don't think or something... X_X if tsukuyomi was just a 1 hit k.o move Madara would've won easily. X_X but there are ways to get out of it. People just can't realize this for some reason.