t's offical, Kakashi and Gai have surpassed the sannin

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1 shinrei tensei destroyed the whole hidden leaf town
Your point is??
Normal shinrei tensei ? Naw
shinrei tensei used on hanzo?Nawww
Read the manga before says silly statements.

To make a full shinrei tensei Nagato must break his connection with all but the Deva Path (presumably to channel all available chakra through it).My point is in the manga.
 

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Normal shinrei tensei ? Naw
shinrei tensei used on hanzo?Nawww
Read the manga before says silly statements.

To make a full shinrei tensei Nagato must break his connection with all but the Deva Path (presumably to channel all available chakra through it).My point is in the manga.
i agree with u
 

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They should all be comparable in power. It's laughable how people think character x will "stomp" character y. (although by feats Tsunade can be taken out easier than the others)

When you're at this level things don't work like that, some of you guys are living in the past. The Sannin are great shinobi, sure. On another level to Kakashi hatake and Maito Gai? Please spare me the BS. The manga has moved on.

They aint no Itachi Uchiha or Nagato, guys like these take out healthy Orochimaru with BASE genjutsu.

I've refuted a lot of haters in this thread, some of them have been reasonable and "debated" while others have disregarded all evidence and resorted to strawman claims.

By FEATS Tsunade is inferior compared to the others, this is not even DEBATABLE. And yes, Tsunade "can die in battle" Read my earlier posts in this thread.

Yes, by feats I would Sage mode Jiraiya is slightly stronger than Kakashi or Gai. Does this warrant him being "in another level" no it doesn't.
 
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Jiraiya is underated ,he can rape nagato and itachi so how can you imagine that Kakashi or Guy would beat him?

Orochimaru is just too much for them ,he raped easily Hiruzen prime without moving a finger.

Tsunade is expert in med technique,she has constantly 8th gate when she's on sceal mode.

Sorry but Kakashi isn't at their level yet.
 

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Jiraiya and Orochimaru are definitely better than Kakashi and Gai.
For J-man:
He first fought some of the 6 path alone without the other path's being there. Then Jiraiya fought all 6 of the paths of pain without knowing anything about them, he even thought the one he fought first was nagato.
It was only at his last breath that he figured out that nagato wasn't among them.
Jiraiya and Orochimaru both have more chakra than Gai or Kakashi so they could fight longer without slowing down because their stamina levels are not as high (maybe not for guy as he has alot of stamina xd)
so I don't think They're at Sannin level
P.S. We can't really know if they surpassed them because they'll probably never fight since Oro and J-man are dead :(
also how could you say it's official? I didn't read it anywhere.
 

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I see I need to enlighten some people about the gates, and what exactly they are, and what they do.
I know how gates work.

My overall point is that the 8 Gates are overestimated. It is limited by the users chakra levels, their chakra control (as better chakra control results in more strength or speed), and their speed and strength before opening the 8 Gates.
In your opinion, gates are overrated. This does not change the fact that opening all eight gates will give you above Kage level power.

This is why Guy (and Lee) will never be as good as someone like the raikages, or Tsunade, or Jiraiya, or Orochimaru. He doesn't have the chakra levels for it, and so can't hope to match them.
You say gates are overrated, yet you underrate it to the point that it's trash. There are no objective opinions in your posts, and while you clearly know how to read up on something and then making a post to 'educate' people, you don't really understand what you wrote yourself.

I mean this is a retarded quote, "Upon opening the 8th gate the user temporarily gains powers greater than a kage." What does it even mean? Not all kages are taijutsu fighters, and not all kages are the same level. Does this mean that somehow Guy becomes temporarily greater than every kage to ever exist? Does he surpass Hashirama, Hiruzen, Tobirama, and Minato?
Why the use of such words as 'retarded'? How is anyone supposed to take someone that uses 'retarded' seriously? You thinking it's retarded doesn't change the fact that it is true. Guy does indeed gain more power than any Kage. Needless to say, having more power does not mean you are better. But in power levels, eight gates > any Kage.

Instead of taking every single statement about power literally, we should instead look at how the abilities work, their limits, and strengths.
While I don't agree with the first part (eight gates can only be taken literally when it comes to level of power, since gates is all about power) I do agree with the last part. The limits (and weakness) of eight gates would be it's duration and the fact that you die after opening all eight, and opening all eight does not mean you automatically win.

Orochimaru is just too much for them ,he raped easily Hiruzen prime without moving a finger.
In what way did Oro 'rape' Hiruzen 'easily'? xD The only obvious intent of that sentence is to make people mad, as it contains nothing of truth :> Hiruzen wasn't even in his prime and he still took out two Kages and sealed Oro's arms. 'Raped easily without moving a finger', eh? xD Sounds legit!
 
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Lol @ title.
"It's official" in a thread based on opinion is simply hilarious.

Kakashi< "J-Man"
Gai < "J-Man"

I say this because Jiraiya, had a good twenty years, at least, of experience on both of them. It wasn't simply raw power that made Jiraiya an amazing shinobi, but the fact that he was no stranger to the battle field. I'm not saying that Kakashi or Gai are, but compared to "J-Man"....
 

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I know how gates work.



In your opinion, gates are overrated. This does not change the fact that opening all eight gates will give you above Kage level power.



You say gates are overrated, yet you underrate it to the point that it's trash. There are no objective opinions in your posts, and while you clearly know how to read up on something and then making a post to 'educate' people, you don't really understand what you wrote yourself.



Why the use of such words as 'retarded'? How is anyone supposed to take someone that uses 'retarded' seriously? You thinking it's retarded doesn't change the fact that it is true. Guy does indeed gain more power than any Kage. Needless to say, having more power does not mean you are better. But in power levels, eight gates > any Kage.



While I don't agree with the first part (eight gates can only be taken literally when it comes to level of power, since gates is all about power) I do agree with the last part. The limits (and weakness) of eight gates would be it's duration and the fact that you die after opening all eight, and opening all eight does not mean you automatically win.
Rep+ gates are underated as hell.They underate like if the cost of give life for the use of this jutsu doesn't change anything.Kishi aren't agree with them because he stated that with 8th gates Gai is more powerfull than Hokage at the cost of his life,that is why it's a so much powerfull technique.6th Gates easily raped a Kisame with 30% of his chakra and 7th gates literally destroyed Kisame's best and most powerfull jutsu.


The Gate of Death (死門, Shimon), located at the heart. Releasing this gate uses up all of the body's energy. It makes the heart pump at maximum power and exceeds the power of every other gate. Opening this gate gives the user power that is even beyond the five Kage, but comes at the expense of the user's death shortly after.
People try so hard on this one.
 
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They surpassed tsunade before the war even began they were holding their own against multiple v2 jins and beat the swordsman etc. I think it's kind of obvious.
Jiraiya is probably on their level but orochimaru got embarassed by a old man
and tsunade is just crap
Eh, overrating Kakashi and Gai a bit. Both just as deadly as the Sannin, yet can't maintain it for long. Stamina is their problem. When Gai enters the 8 Gates, he has very little time in which he is able to maintain them. He definitely wouldn't defeat Orochimaru or Tsunade, due to their inability to be killed. Jiraiya would be his best chance. As for Kakashi, Jiraiya would be his nightmare matchup, due to ninjutsu and taijutsu prowess, as well as stamina and summons. Orochimaru and Tsunade would still win due to durability. Sorry, they aren't on the level of the Sannin quite yet.
 

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Whilst i dont agree with the thread, the op didnt even give a well thought out explanation as to why he believes this and left everything to Hmph, who ive noticed overrates the rivals, but he does give a good enough discussion to warrant a + rep
 

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They should all be comparable in power. It's laughable how people think character x will "stomp" character y. (although by feats Tsunade can be taken out easier than the others)

When you're at this level things don't work like that, some of you guys are living in the past. The Sannin are great shinobi, sure. On another level to Kakashi hatake and Maito Gai? Please spare me the BS. The manga has moved on.

They aint no Itachi Uchiha or Nagato, guys like these take out healthy Orochimaru with BASE genjutsu.

I've refuted a lot of haters in this thread, some of them have been reasonable and "debated" while others have disregarded all evidence and resorted to strawman claims.

By FEATS Tsunade is inferior compared to the others, this is not even DEBATABLE. And yes, Tsunade "can die in battle" Read my earlier posts in this thread.

Yes, by feats I would Sage mode Jiraiya is slightly stronger than Kakashi or Gai. Does this warrant him being "in another level" no it doesn't.
Sad to say, Itachi cannot be included with Nagato. Nagato is on a DIFFERENT level than the Sannin and Itachi/Minato included. Itachi is stuck with the Sannin. Kakashi and Gai are stuck in S-Jonin while the Sannin are Kage-Level, Itachi included. That doesn't mean BEYOND Kage level for 5 minutes. That means KAGE LEVEL all the time, with Jutsu to boost their Kage-Level BASE power, making them COMPARABLE to 8 Gates.
 

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Lol J-man won't be "stomping" anyone.

Stomp implies a easy win, Jiraiya won't do that in a million years.

Not against current Kakashi or Gai
Are you insane bro?

J Man would beat Kakashi and gai in a 1 vs2 battle.

None Kakashi or gai are up to Jiraiya's lvl.
 

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They should all be comparable in power. It's laughable how people think character x will "stomp" character y. (although by feats Tsunade can be taken out easier than the others)

When you're at this level things don't work like that, some of you guys are living in the past. The Sannin are great shinobi, sure. On another level to Kakashi hatake and Maito Gai? Please spare me the BS. The manga has moved on.

They aint no Itachi Uchiha or Nagato, guys like these take out healthy Orochimaru with BASE genjutsu.

I've refuted a lot of haters in this thread, some of them have been reasonable and "debated" while others have disregarded all evidence and resorted to strawman claims.

By FEATS Tsunade is inferior compared to the others, this is not even DEBATABLE. And yes, Tsunade "can die in battle" Read my earlier posts in this thread.

Yes, by feats I would Sage mode Jiraiya is slightly stronger than Kakashi or Gai. Does this warrant him being "in another level" no it doesn't.
Earlier posts? I think you're referring to you saying that Kakashi will just "kamui her face off"... Yeh ok, I can see Kishi setting that up right now

Kakashi: "Ok, Tsunade just a little bit too the left, so that you're in a nice straight line... Ahh perfect, now I can just Kamui your face off!"

You haven't debated your point very well at all. From what I can recall, I just remember you saying Kamui this and Kamui that...
You mentioned something about "when you're at this level, stuff doesn't work like that". I think you should take a quick read over some off your own stuff and see where you are either blatantly wrong, being a fanboy or contradicting yourself.

Edit: Not too mention you said, arguably J-man's sage mode makes him a bit stronger then them both, then you asked, does this make him on a higher or stronger level... YES! That is the difference xD However small or big, the difference is there. They are both elite jounins but I wouldn't say they are quite sannin level yet.
 
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They should all be comparable in power. It's laughable how people think character x will "stomp" character y. (although by feats Tsunade can be taken out easier than the others)

When you're at this level things don't work like that, some of you guys are living in the past. The Sannin are great shinobi, sure. On another level to Kakashi hatake and Maito Gai? Please spare me the BS. The manga has moved on.

They aint no Itachi Uchiha or Nagato, guys like these take out healthy Orochimaru with BASE genjutsu.

I've refuted a lot of haters in this thread, some of them have been reasonable and "debated" while others have disregarded all evidence and resorted to strawman claims.

By FEATS Tsunade is inferior compared to the others, this is not even DEBATABLE. And yes, Tsunade "can die in battle" Read my earlier posts in this thread.

Yes, by feats I would Sage mode Jiraiya is slightly stronger than Kakashi or Gai. Does this warrant him being "in another level" no it doesn't.
You don't have to make useless staments,Deal with it,accept the fact that the sannin are and will always be better than Kakashi and gai.
 
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lol no just no jman would end either of them one on one and so would a healthy oro and as for stunade she is very hard to kill so no sorry they didnt
 

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Jiraiya is underated ,he can rape nagato and itachi so how can you imagine that Kakashi or Guy would beat him?

Orochimaru is just too much for them ,he raped easily Hiruzen prime without moving a finger.

Tsunade is expert in med technique,she has constantly 8th gate when she's on sceal mode.

Sorry but Kakashi isn't at their level yet.
In bold,no comments.It's funny how people overate sannins and underate gai and kakashi. :shrug:
 
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