blazekev90
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Whoa I wouldn't even go that at saying that, but I'll let that one slide -_- loloh blazekev is here LOL, he won't allow any BS about kakashi beating oro, after the noob kabuto just surpassed his boy
t's offical, Kakashi and Gai have surpassed the sannin
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Uchihajin Sasuke
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Wrong again :flaw:
Chiyo beat an already disheartened Sasori (confirmed by Chiyo that he let her kill himself after seeing his "puppet parents"), and Sakura was her little human puppet :sy:
Just to let you know the Sakumo Hatake, known as the "White Fang" was already stronger than these Sannin
So it is only natural than Kakashi surpass his dad or at least surpass the Sannin.
They were already stronger than Tsunade to begin with...
Kakashi and Gai are already Elite Jonin to begin with and after their mastery of their respective abilities, I believe both have surpassed them already :rag:
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blazekev90
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Boy #bye don't talk about what's naturally suppose to happen, especially with a character we know nothing about. #fail
Just to let you know the Sakumo Hatake, known as the "White Fang" was already stronger than these Sannin
So it is only natural than Kakashi surpass his dad or at least surpass the Sannin.
They were already stronger than Tsunade to begin with...
Kakashi and Gai are already Elite Jonin to begin with and after their mastery of their respective abilities, I believe both have surpassed them already :rag:
And stronger than Tsunade to begin with?? Wrong, because if so one would have been elected for Hokage before her. Don't let feats confuse you man
without sakura chiyo would've died... fact
Wrong again :flaw:
Chiyo beat an already disheartened Sasori (confirmed by Chiyo that he let her kill himself after seeing his "puppet parents"), and Sakura was her little human puppet :sy:
Just to let you know the Sakumo Hatake, known as the "White Fang" was already stronger than these Sannin
So it is only natural than Kakashi surpass his dad or at least surpass the Sannin.
They were already stronger than Tsunade to begin with...
Kakashi and Gai are already Elite Jonin to begin with and after their mastery of their respective abilities, I believe both have surpassed them already :rag:
and about sakumo you should really read for posting
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blazekev90
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PLEASE enlighten of the feats Kakashi possess to defeat a healthy Oro, let alone sick. Also, don't spam Kamui, dude uses almost half his chakra off one use and can't even focus it accurately.
Uchihajin Sasuke
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alright, Sakumo Hatake is considered as "stronger" in different translationswithout chiyo, useless sakura would've died... fact
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2 kamui use less than 50% of his chakra.And of course he can focus perfectly since he got 100% of hit each time that he used it.Kakashi is kage level,how can't be he at sannin level? Some peoples are illogic.Not to mension that the Sannin title have been give to Oro,Jiraiya and Tsunade in the 2nd shinobi war.Kakashi largely surpassed thir level of that time.
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He has a chance to defeat Orochimaru (without prep)
Swordsmanship: Kakashi has shown that he can use Zabuza's sword just as good as Zabuza himself. We see him overwhelming a few of the 7 Swordsman of the Mist with the blade. And with the fact that Kakashi can infuse the sword with Raiton chakra and a Sharingan, in a sword fight, I would say Kakashi has the significant advantage. Orochimaru's Kusanagi sword is powerful and supposedly harder than diamond, but I don't see it being able to help in this situation. Despite this, Orochimaru's rebirth jutsu will come in handy, should he be bifurcated by Kakashi's blade. Oro can easily re-attach himself together the same way he did when the 4TK sliced him in half.
Taijutsu: We have never really seen any impressive taijutsu from Orochimaru. However, as indicated from his fight with 4TK, Orochimaru is skilled in using his snake jutsu in conjunction with his taijutsu for both offensive and defensive purposes. However, Kakashi has also shown that he can execute ninjutsu while evading one's taijutsu. From what I have seen, I would say Kakashi is more skilled than Sasuke in Taijutsu. Also with his Sharingan this will provide an obvious advantage in close-range combat. He also has 4.5 in taijutsu, same as Itachi. He matched Itachi's bunshin with his bunshin in taijutsu.
Ninjutsu: Now it is implied that Orochimaru knows many, many jutsu. However, as far as quantity goes, Kakashi certainly has the edge. Although Kakashi has more jutsu, the jutsu Orochimaru has displayed are very useful. His jutsu are on a much wider scale than Kakashi, and this is probably what will give Kakashi the most trouble. Triple Rashomon, that giant wall of snakes he used on 4TK, Kuchiyose no Jutsu. If Kakashi is very careful, he can take advantage of the terrain to hide his location. Kakashi always fights with Kage Bushin before he directly engages his opponent. In a forest-like setting for example, Kakashi will have plenty of areas to hide himself and distract Orochimaru with Kage Bushin. He can trick Oro into wasting large amounts of his chakra by using his more powerful jutsu on clones. Even Itachi himself cannot tell when Kakashi switches places with his clones. I highly doubt Kakashi will directly take on Oro's large-scale jutsu. He will likely use a series of Kage Bushin and hiding either underground or within the terrain to wait until Oro himself is vulnerable. Kakashi can use use Raikiri/Raiden also
Speed and Agility: We have seen Orochimaru effortlessly blitz Kabuto, and show that his speed is certainly above average. However, from what we have seen of Kakashi, I would say he certainly has the advantage in this area. Even as far back as Part 1 of Naruto, Kakashi was shown accurately reacting to Itachi's overwhelming speed. His speed has only increased since then. As far as agility, Orochimaru's rubber-like techniques helps tremendously when it comes to evading and dodging. However, we have seen Kakashi fight against Kakuzu himself, 2 disembodied Masks, and Hidan simultaneously all while protecting Ino and Chouji and not one of them were able to land a single blow on him. We've also seen that Kakashi was able to dodge a pointblank, large scale Futon from one of Kakuzu's masks while in mid-air (meaning he has no foothold to use Shunshin for dodging).
Intellect and Tactics: Orochimaru is quite obviously very intelligent both on and off the battlefield. However, there is no doubt that Kakashi is far more tactful during battle. His ability to produce accurate strategies in the heat of battle is unrivaled imo.
Why on earth should I disregard Kakashi's most powerful move?
Wrong.
Wrong again.
Kamui
Deidara has experience in fighting high level Sharingan users. He immediately acknowledged that Kakashi is using an advanced Doujutsu comparable to Itachi's.. Also don't forget that Kakashi was able to quickly absorb the entirety of Deidara's Kamikaze explosion (an attack that would have destroyed the entire forest). Kakashi's aim, speed and efficiency with Kamui has hugely increased since then. Now you could argue that when he used it on Deidara, he "missed" and only got Deidara's arm. [URL="http://www.mangareader.net/93-281-11/naruto/chapter-276.html"]However, the only reason he missed was stated blatantly by Kakashi himself. He was unable to control the size and location of the barrier limiting the area of the jutsu. [/URL]
Since that time, Kakashi no longer has that problem. Kakashi is no longer hindered by these things. He was able to activate his MS instantaneously to blast away the Susano'o arrow sent at him by Sasuke, that too at very close range. That clearly shows his ability to warp things near instantly. Let's not forget that this is the same arrow which caught Danzo, too and would've killed him had he not had Izanagi, which effectively kept him immortal.
Also, also, he warped away a missile sent at Choji by Asura Path, when he was himself half buried in rubble. That tells you about his focus and accuracy with Kamui, getting a moving projectile so perfectly when he was at the verge of death himself.
oh, and all his feats in this war have been impressive.
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jediknite2
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are u insane kakkashi and gai are not even close to match up oro with his insane slimmy moves and if i may oro is almost indestructable. Kakashi or gai cant stand naruto in miniature kyuubi mode but oro did and with a weak body. Jiraya is stronger than oro as i've compared them some many times watching his fight with the six path pain and kakashi even said Jiraya was insane to take on them alone...... Dont underestimate tsunade cos u have never seen her inhuman strength and battles.. Watchout for her vs edo madara... Kakashi and gai are not close....period.
blazekev90
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He successfully used it of anything going in a linear movement (straight on). He needs to be able to focus in order to use it properly, so anything bouncing around would result to a #fail in using Kamui
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Gooner4life
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They did that because they were prepared to die in order to defeat Tobi not because they were in good enough condition to use it
I already destroyed that arguments of linear theory.Databook is clear,once the target is in the space barrier ,the enemy can't get out.As you can see against Deidara.Furthermore there is no character who move constantly in non linear path non stop,that doesn't exist in Naruto.Kakashi can use kamui whenever he want and he need a fraction of second to kamui a susano arrow that is bigger than an human being,and was able to kamui Deidara's arm at very long range,on an escaping target in airs with an unmastered kamui .I let you imagine what he is capable of at midle range now that he mastered kamui.He's enough intelligent to know when to use it.If the theory with non linear path was credible,Deidara would just move Right/Left , Up/Down or non linear path to get out of the space barrier.The only explanation is in databook,Deidara couldn't move non linear path or get out of it when he was envelopped by the space barrier.Kakashi showed enough evidence that he uses at as defense and as attack.Not to mension that kamui is almost invisible you will not notice when Kakashi will use it since Deidara didn't notice anything untill he was in the space barrier but it's too late in that step no defense is possible (databook).Also Pein with his rinnegan didn't notice Kakashi's kamui.It's enough fast to counter Susanoo arrow.
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UzumakiNaruto20
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I disagree, Jiraiya did much better against 3 Pains alone than Kakashi did with backup against 2 Pains.
Gai is debatable but just because he has 8 gates does not mean he will use them. I could just say that Jiraiya could counter with Frog Song
Sannin feats > Kakashi and Gai feats
I think they can easily pass the Sannin but not right now
Gai is debatable but just because he has 8 gates does not mean he will use them. I could just say that Jiraiya could counter with Frog Song
Sannin feats > Kakashi and Gai feats
I think they can easily pass the Sannin but not right now
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There is no defence when you have been hit but that point is useless if you are not hit. Secondly, no one is going to move in a straight line long enough for focus and hit the person especially someone who knows about the technique like Tsunade and maybe Jiraiya
There is no defence when you have been hit but that point is useless if you are not hit. Secondly, no one is going to move in a straight line long enough for focus and hit the person especially someone who knows about the technique like Tsunade and maybe Jiraiya
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WillOfFire08
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tsunade and pain never fought, tsunade was messed up becuz of her mass healing of the villiage. so no, i think tsunade wud lose to pain anyways but it never happened so quit stating facts that never happened. I think gai and kakashi are slightly below sanin level
I stopped taking your post seriously after I read that line.
Itachi had the best reflexes or reaction because of his insight... a sharingan user.
So Kakashi, a sharingan user easily pwns Tsunade
Kabuto and Pein already proved this, so there is no point in debating
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