[Discussion] Trafalgar Law vs Roronoa zoro (who has stronger CoA Hak)

[Fireplay]

That's just a bad argument You're seeing this all from Law's side. You're not putting Zoro's skills into the picture.

I am actually. Zoro has fought many times. This won't be an easy fight. Throughout all of Zoro's fights (the enemy is always slower then Law btw) he gets cut at some point. Zoro can decapitate someone with techniques. Which he can't perform freely. Law's DF is hax. He can even teleport inside the room and he's faster then Zoro. If Zoro gets slashed he loses a limb. Law gets slashed he won't necessarily as Zoro has never cut his enemies limbs off and can't do it unless it's an easy target who's standing still and won't actually do anything to try and avoid the attacks. Also Shambles pretty much oneshots since Zoro can't resist it. Anyways if you want to join the "debate", switch threads so that i can use real arguments (don't want to turn this thread into a off-topic one). :vision:

 

[Pervy Wrath]

I am actually. Zoro has fought many times. This won't be an easy fight. Throughout all of Zoro's fights (the enemy is always slower then Law btw) he gets cut at some point. Zoro can decapitate someone with techniques. Which he can't perform freely. Law's DF is hax. He can even teleport inside the room and he's faster then Zoro. If Zoro gets slashed he loses a limb. Law gets slashed he won't necessarily as Zoro has never cut his enemies limbs off and can't do it unless it's an easy target who's standing still and won't actually do anything to try and avoid the attacks. Also Shambles pretty much oneshots since Zoro can't resist it. Anyways if you want to join the "debate", switch threads so that i can use real arguments (don't want to turn this thread into a off-topic one). :vision:

No need. I'm just glad you said it won't be an easy fight =D But as far the cutting limbs thing, that's just because it's too bloody for a shonen, I'm guessing. Law can do it because they don't die and can put themselves back together. But as far speed, can we really say Law is faster than Zoro? He hasn't needed to use his speed. But no, I'm not joining in on the debate I think Law wins, but Zoro isn't that far behind him, imo. That's all.

 

[Fireplay]

No need. I'm just glad you said it won't be an easy fight =D But as far the cutting limbs thing, that's just because it's too bloody for a shonen, I'm guessing. Law can do it because they don't die and can put themselves back together. But as far speed, can we really say Law is faster than Zoro? He hasn't needed to use his speed. But no, I'm not joining in on the debate I think Law wins, but Zoro isn't that far behind him, imo. That's all.

I also know that Zoro isn't far behind. Smoker was faster then G2 Luffy at marineford and Law was keeping up with Smoker at PH. Gear 2nd Luffy>Zoro (speed) Therefore the speed factor is more on Law's side from what we've seen. Also, he teleports.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

I also know that Zoro isn't far behind. Smoker was faster then G2 Luffy at marineford and Law was keeping up with Smoker at PH. Gear 2nd Luffy>Zoro (speed) Therefore the speed factor is more on Law's side from what we've seen. Also, he teleports.

That was just in the anime. In the manga, Luffy tried to use Jet Gatling Gun on him, then Smoker took him down with his Jitte. Smoker isn't really that fast, imo.

 

[deidara senpai]

i only read like 15 comments of this page but this kinda cant be determined atm but ill say laws because he was able to cut vergo with him completely covered with haki and zoro hasent showed much with his haki

True. But right now Law is stronger in the manga so we could say that his CoA is stronger also. But obviously that will change since Zoro will end up being stronger than Law in the end

You really are a Law fanboy

that doesnt make him a law fanboy think of it like this, just because zoro becomes the strongest swordsman doesnt mean he will be ahead of everybody but luffy at EOS

i personally think that both law and kid will be stronger then zoro at EOS

its basically saying rayleigh would be stronger then whitebeard or shiki in which my opinion he isnt (the whitebeard part obviously but shiki as well)

 

[ziggyZ]

We can only truly base this comparison off of hype. And hype dictates Zoro's CoA is > Law's. Furthermore, overall: Zoro>Law Hihj-XHigh DIFF (cause of hype).

 

[Fireplay]

That was just in the anime. In the manga, Luffy tried to use Jet Gatling Gun on him, then Smoker took him down with his Jitte. Smoker isn't really that fast, imo.

When they ran to Ceasar's lab, Luffy ran at full speed G2 and he ran out of breath while Smoker was there at the same time as Luffy. His flying ability was keeping up with G2 running speed with ease. Smoker is fast when traveling as Smoke (white launcher). Ohh and the scene in the anime is the same as in the manga but without the part where Smoker is dodging the gatling gun's. In the manga Smoker still used white launcher and got to Luffy before he even noticed. According to many calculations Smoker is indeed=or slightly slower then Luffy. In some cases anime scenes can and have been used as calc material. (Im looking at 80% of Zoro's and Sanji's speed feats).

 

[VongolaX]

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Thank you for showing me a scan of Law without his heart beating smoker. You prove my point once again noob

 

[VongolaX]

I don't think Zoro's Haki is. I'm not sure about Luffy. We know he can blacken his arms with Haki, but we haven't seen him do it over his entire body. But Luffy definitely is a Haki beast as well.

And I'm resorting to straws I'm just not making stuff up. I go by what I've seen.

What about the scan of Luffy covering his giant arm in haki?

It sure is bigger in overall mass compared to vergo's fullbody

 

[Fireplay]

What about the scan of Luffy covering his giant arm in haki?

It sure is bigger in overall mass compared to vergo's fullbody

Pretty much that. Unless Zoro has atleast stronger Haki then Vergo, he stands no chance.

 

[VongolaX]

i only read like 15 comments of this page but this kinda cant be determined atm but ill say laws because he was able to cut vergo with him completely covered with haki and zoro hasent showed much with his haki





that doesnt make him a law fanboy think of it like this, just because zoro becomes the strongest swordsman doesnt mean he will be ahead of everybody but luffy at EOS

i personally think that both law and kid will be stronger then zoro at EOS

its basically saying rayleigh would be stronger then whitebeard or shiki in which my opinion he isnt (the whitebeard part obviously but shiki as well)

I see it like this

Luffy will be like Gol d for obvious reasons

Zoro like Rayleigh, first mate

Law like Shiki: Garp stated that Shiki fights with preparation time and diligence

Kidd seems to be like Whitebeard: Overpowered beings in general (scary presence)

Beside that, we all know what happened to shiki

 

[VongolaX]

Pretty much that. Unless Zoro has atleast stronger Haki then Vergo, he stands no chance.

I already showed you the scan where Zoro said, if luffy doesn't have king haki....They will need to find a new captain.

Luffy's kings haki sets him above Zoro

Zoro already implied that kings haki is what makes luffy superior than him.

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[Fireplay]

I see it like this

Luffy will be like Gol d for obvious reasons

Zoro like Rayleigh, first mate

Law like Shiki: Garp stated that Shiki fights with preparation time and diligence

Kidd seems to be like Whitebeard: Overpowered beings in general (scary presence)

Beside that, we all know what happened to shiki

Actually it took both Garp and Sengoku to lock up Shiki. Rayleigh loses to Shiki.

Law is more like Whitebeard then Shiki.

Luffy=Roger
Law=Whitebeard
Kid=Shiki

Shiki was a emperor. He is alot more like Kid then Law.
Luffy=Roger=Good personality
Law=Whitebeard=Good personality
Kid=Shiki=Evil personality

Kid killed innocent civilians while Law cured the kids in PH. Shiki was all out evil.

Kid's powers can be used the same way Shiki's (i'll explain if necessary).

 

[Fireplay]

I already showed you the scan where Zoro said, if luffy doesn't have king haki....They will need to find a new captain.

Luffy's kings haki sets him above Zoro

Zoro already implied that kings haki is what makes luffy superior than him.

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Switch threads and post it there so i can reply to it. I don't want this one to get too off-topic.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

What about the scan of Luffy covering his giant arm in haki?

It sure is bigger in overall mass compared to vergo's fullbody

Good point. Maybe he has.

Pretty much that. Unless Zoro has atleast stronger Haki then Vergo, he stands no chance.

Why? Haki works as a shield, it doesn't mean it's indestructible. We don't know how strong Zoro has gotten. For all we know, he can cut Vergo too. You're just speculating and making it fact.

 

[Fireplay]

Good point. Maybe he has.



Why? Haki works as a shield, it doesn't mean it's indestructible. We don't know how strong Zoro has gotten. For all we know, he can cut Vergo too. You're just speculating and making it fact.

Lol. I wasn't talking about Zoro vs Vergo. I said since Zoro's haki is weaker then Vergo's, he can't resist getting split by Law's room. Since Vergo wasn't able to either.

 

[VongolaX]

Actually it took both Garp and Sengoku to lock up Shiki. Rayleigh loses to Shiki.

Law is more like Whitebeard then Shiki.

Luffy=Roger
Law=Whitebeard
Kid=Shiki

Shiki was a emperor. He is alot more like Kid then Law.
Luffy=Roger=Good personality
Law=Whitebeard=Good personality
Kid=Shiki=Evil personality

Kid killed innocent civilians while Law cured the kids in PH. Shiki was all out evil.

Kid's powers can be used the same way Shiki's (i'll explain if necessary).

See you lost your mind at the bolded part:

shiki and law are strategist, swordsmen, and rivals with roger.

shiki wanted to use the ancient weapons and teamed up with Gol d rogers to takeover the world.

Law is doing the same with Luffy, by using SMILE.

Law lacks the stamina and body power to be whitebeard (kidd suits that category mate)

Kidd/Whitebeard walk with authority and use brute force in there fight, no matter of the personality bullsh*t.

Because with that logic of personality, Zoro is as meek as Rayleigh

 

[VongolaX]

Good point. Maybe he has.



Why? Haki works as a shield, it doesn't mean it's indestructible. We don't know how strong Zoro has gotten. For all we know, he can cut Vergo too. You're just speculating and making it fact.

I personally feel that the whole full-body haki is yet to come or limits luffy's reflexes.

Not entirely sure

 

[ziggyZ]

Zoro does.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

Well the CoA level of these two really can't be determined seeing as both haven't used it much especially Zoro the only time he's used it was just to tattoo Monet's cheek and I don't think law used haki in that attack but if he did it could also not have been more than Vergo's coz it wld be Law's df plus haki.
To correct some misconceptions that some have, pple with haki(i.e. Vergo) can be cut by a powerful enough attack coz haki shields are barriers(force blockers) so they can be broken thru with a strong enough force. The first fight btw Law and Vergo were Law cldn't cut Vergo shows Law at that time didn't have the strength enough to break thru the haki barrier, however on PH I think he could and he if he did so with haki it was only to boost his already powerful strike.