[Discussion] Trafalgar Law vs Roronoa zoro (who has stronger CoA Hak)

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Show me where in the manga that not having you're heart makes you weaker?

smoker did just fine against vergo, he only got hit to save Law's heart

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Literally made a thread to prove me wrong and you failed at that too. lol

No i didn't lol. I don't see anybody saying that Zoro's Haki is > Law's but i see a couple of posts saying that Law's Haki is> Zoro's. From what we've seen Law's Haki>Zoro's

 

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No i didn't lol. I don't see anybody saying that Zoro's Haki is > Law's but i see a couple of posts saying that Law's Haki is> Zoro's.

Can anybody really make that statement? We've only seen him use it against Smoker. We've only seen Zoro use it to cut Monet's cheek, a fight that he didn't care about whatsoever.

 

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Can anybody really make that statement? We've only seen him use it against Smoker. We've only seen Zoro use it to cut Monet's cheek, a fight that he didn't care about whatsoever.

Law used his Haki to cut Vergo in half. Who is a Haki beast. From what we've seen Law's Haki>Zoro's.

 

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Law used his Haki to cut Vergo in half. Who is a Haki beast. From what we've seen Law's Haki>Zoro's.

And how do you know that? We know that because of his DF, he can slice through stuff like it's butter. It doesn't mean he used a lot of Haki to cut through Vergo. It doesn't mean he used Haki at all.

 

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And how do you know that? We know that because of his DF, he can slice through stuff like it's butter. It doesn't mean he used a lot of Haki to cut through Vergo. It doesn't mean he used Haki at all.

It does. Smoker stated that with strong enough Haki you can resist Law's cuts. Law's DF doesn't allow him to bypass Haki armor. It only allows him to split you in half once he cuts you. The fact that he was able to cut Vergo means that his Haki was>Vergo's

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Bottom right. Law's cutting ability is useless? his Haki allowed him to bypass Vergo's Haki thus slicing through him like hot knife through butter. Law's DF didn't allow him to bypass Vergo's armor, it was Law's Haki. Otherwise everything stated about his DF would be contradicting.

 

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It does. Smoker stated that with strong enough Haki you can resist Law's cuts. Law's DF doesn't allow him to bypass Haki armor. It only allows him to split you in half once he cuts you. The fact that he was able to cut Vergo means that his Haki was>Vergo's

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Bottom right. Law's cutting ability is useless? his Haki allowed him to bypass Vergo's Haki thus slicing through him like hot knife through butter. Law's DF didn't allow him to bypass Vergo's armor, it was Law's Haki. Otherwise everything stated about his DF would be contradicting.

All that tells me is that Vergo's Haki wasn't strong enough to resist it. And the statement about Law's cutting abilities being useless, that was stated by someone who hasn't seen him for years and really have no idea how strong he is. This does not prove he used Haki. I'm willing to bet he did, but it still doesn't prove anything.

 

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All that tells me is that Vergo's Haki wasn't strong enough to resist it. And the statement about Law's cutting abilities being useless, that was stated by someone who hasn't seen him for years and really have no idea how strong he is. This does not prove he used Haki. I'm willing to bet he did, but it still doesn't prove anything.

You misunderstood Doflamingo's statement. He said that Law's DF can't affect Vergo due to his Haki. Law put his own Haki to play and beat vergo. Smoker said that strong enough Haki will give you resistance. That just means that Vergo's Haki wasn't strong enough to resist a slash imbued with Law's Haki. Like when Law didn't break Smoker's Jitte. They were inside the room but Law still wasn't able to break it (1. He didn't use Haki 2. He didn't have his heart). If someone has strong enough Haki to resist the DF. Law can just activate his own Haki (if it is superior) and cut through the other guys Haki.

 

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You misunderstood Doflamingo's statement. He said that Law's DF can't affect Vergo due to his Haki. Law put his own Haki to play and beat vergo. Smoker said that strong enough Haki will let give you resistance. That just means that Vergo's Haki wasn't strong enough to resist a slash imbued with Law's Haki. Like when Law didn't break Smoker's Jitte. They were inside the room but Law still wasn't able to break it (1. He didn't use Haki 2. He didn't have his heart). If someone has strong enough Haki to resist the DF. Law can just activate his own Haki (if it is superior) and cut through the other guys Haki.

I know. Doflamingo believed that he couldn't cut through Vergo's Haki. But that still doesn't prove that he used Haki at that time! Personally, I think it's obvious he did, but we still don't know how much Haki he used, and it's pointless to compare that to Zoro's Haki, who really hasn't even needed to use it yet.

 

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I know. Doflamingo believed that he couldn't cut through Vergo's Haki. But that still doesn't prove that he used Haki at that time! Personally, I think it's obvious he did, but we still don't know how much Haki he used, and it's pointless to compare that to Zoro's Haki, who really hasn't even needed to use it yet.

Your resorting to straws. Anyways. Just Answer this question: Do you think that Zoro's or Luffy's CoA Haki is stronger then Vergo's?

 

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Your resorting to straws. Anyways. Answer this question: Do you think that Zoro's or Luffy's CoA Haki is stronger then Vergo's?

I don't think Zoro's Haki is. I'm not sure about Luffy. We know he can blacken his arms with Haki, but we haven't seen him do it over his entire body. But Luffy definitely is a Haki beast as well.

And I'm resorting to straws I'm just not making stuff up. I go by what I've seen.

 

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I don't think Zoro's Haki is. I'm not sure about Luffy. We know he can blacken his arms with Haki, but we haven't seen him do it over his entire body. But Luffy definitely is a Haki beast as well.

And I'm resorting to straws I'm just not making stuff up. I go by what I've seen.

Finally lol.

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Finally lol.

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And that says what? That Law's Haki is stronger? No, it doesn't.

 

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And that says what? That Law's Haki is stronger? No, it doesn't.

I know that. The whole point of this thread was to compare Vergo's Haki with Zoro's. You wouldn't know. Im "debating" this one guy (the guy in my sig) and we needed answers to a couple of questions. My point was that Zoro can't resist being cut by Law. If Law cuts him that's it.

 

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I know that. The whole point of this thread was to compare Vergo's Haki with Zoro's. You wouldn't know. Im "debating" this one guy (the guy in my sig) and we needed answers to a couple of questions.

Vergo's Haki against Zoro's? Yeah, I've seen your debate =D But anyways, just because Vergo's Haki is way stronger than Zoro's(seemingly), it doesn't mean he won't be able to cut him. Same as if someone has decent CoO, it doesn't mean they're fast enough to dodge what they know is coming. Just thought I'd put that out there.

 

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Vergo's Haki against Zoro's? Yeah, I've seen your debate =D But anyways, just because Vergo's Haki is way stronger than Zoro's(seemingly), it doesn't mean he won't be able to cut him. Same as if someone has decent CoO, it doesn't mean they're fast enough to dodge what they know is coming. Just thought I'd put that out there.

What? i don't really get what you mean. Let me explain it.

Vergo's Haki wasn't enough to resist getting cut by Law. Vergo's Haki>Zoro's, therefore Zoro can't resist either.

 

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What? i don't really get what you mean. Let me explain it.

Vergo's Haki wasn't enough to resist getting cut by Law. Vergo's Haki>Zoro's, therefore Zoro can't resist either.

Oh, like that. Sure. But why the hell would Zoro be as stupid as Vergo and allow himself to be cut? Same as how Law would be sliced in half by Zoro too, if he was trying to tank it.

 

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Oh, like that. Sure. But why the hell would Zoro be as stupid as Vergo and allow himself to be cut? Same as how Law would be sliced in half by Zoro too, if he was trying to tank it.

That depends. Law can teleport inside the room. He can even teleport Zoro's swords away. Zoro won't let himself be cut. Law will cut him by force. Eventually Law will cut him and that's gonna be it for Zoro.

 

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That depends. Law can teleport inside the room. He can even teleport Zoro's swords away. Zoro won't let himself be cut. Law will cut him by force. Eventually Law will cut him and that's gonna be it for Zoro.

That's just a bad argument You're seeing this all from Law's side. You're not putting Zoro's skills into the picture.

 

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How can we compare Zoro to anyone at this point. We haven't seen pretty much anything from him, he still didn't go all out, he used haki once to cut the cheek of Monet. We can't really compare him to Law's Haki.