[VS] Tournament to Pirate king semi finals! Shanks v. Kaidu

[HowDidIGetPrem]

I didn’t say he didn’t use haki I said he didn’t use armament hardening. Regular armament Hali is just a colorless armour, that increases damage etc, hardening is when the body or object turns black and it’s the next level. By splitting the sky I meant the way the sky looked when whitebeard and shanks clashed .

Both were were probably colorless pre-timeskip and I personally don't think there's a difference(I know there's evidence like Luffy grabbing Ceaser though).

 

[chopstickchakra]

Was kaido born a pirate let alone his current power level? Look at Big mam before she became a pirate, she was already stronger than a giant. Spare me your rhetorical questions

All you’re doing is listing suggestions and scenarios that never happened or neither confirmed in the manga.
Manga said that Shanks and Kaido were in a fight, given his personally it’s clear as day that it wasn’t some kind of peace agreement.
Given the fact that Shanks clashed with Whitebeard’s full swing with one hand, I wouldn’t doubt Shanks’ strength.
This was also that time when a Whitebeard was the strongest and Kaido is not.

The manga said skirmish and we all know a skirmish isn't a full out fight, not to mention that was crew against crew most likely since his crew was with him.

You must just be mad that he stopped Akainu’s attack without even using busoshoku kouka and then shut all the rest of the marines down with nothing but baddassery

To be fair though where did it say he did it without haki? Haki wasn't colored in back then so how do we know?

What does splitting the sky mean(This question isn't rhetorical. I literally can't grasp the concept)? There's also no indication Shanks didn't use haki vs Akainu because it was colorless back then.

The importance of that is to show that his power was enough to affect the earth's weather/atmosphere to a degree. The only other time we see the environment do stuff like that is with Logia. It'd be like if Zoro swung a sword and the air pressure from the swing was so great it reached up to the clouds and parted them, that's indicative of an insanely powerful swing.

 

[Sakazuki]

You must just be mad that he stopped Akainu’s attack without even using busoshoku kouka and then shut all the rest of the marines down with nothing but baddassery

You really think oda would write one piece in the way shanks is beating akainu? Jw

 

[SixPathsMike101]

The manga said skirmish and we all know a skirmish isn't a full out fight, not to mention that was crew against crew most likely since his crew was with him.



To be fair though where did it say he did it without haki? Haki wasn't colored in back then so how do we know?





The importance of that is to show that his power was enough to affect the earth's weather/atmosphere to a degree. The only other time we see the environment do stuff like that is with Logia. It'd be like if Zoro swung a sword and the air pressure from the swing was so great it reached up to the clouds and parted them, that's indicative of an insanely powerful swing.

Didn’t say he didn’t use halo he just didn’t use the armament hardening which is the black version he did it with basic colorless hali

 

[Uverdore9]

Shanks one shots.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Didn’t say he didn’t use halo he just didn’t use the armament hardening which is the black version he did it with basic colorless hali

Technically Busoshoku Koka has only been used by Luffy and that's because Koka translates to vulcanization which is an aspect unique to rubber. Everyone else just calls it Buso. Unless you can show me something I missed. Also colored haki wasn't conceived(or at least hinted that it was conceived of) at that point in time so we can't say what level of haki Shanks was putting into it.

 

[SixPathsMike101]

Technically Busoshoku Koka has only been used by Luffy and that's because Koka translates to vulcanization which is an aspect unique to rubber. Everyone else just calls it Buso. Unless you can show me something I missed. Also colored haki wasn't conceived(or at least hinted that it was conceived of) at that point in time so we can't say what level of haki Shanks was putting into it.

I just read that busoshoku koka literally means Armament Hardening. Which is what it’s called anyway and I doubt odds would retcon it after Rayleigh said that it was an invisible armpit, hardening is the second level of the technique

 

[chopstickchakra]

I just read that busoshoku koka literally means Armament Hardening. Which is what it’s called anyway and I doubt odds would retcon it after Rayleigh said that it was an invisible armpit, hardening is the second level of the technique

Where did you see that? Granted I got mine from

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The Kōka in Busōshoku: Kōka can also translate as "vulcanization", which is the process of rubber (or similar substances) being converted into a denser material.

It was also simply called Buso (武装 Busō?, Armament) by Doflamingo when he blocked Luffy's attack[25] and Zoro when trying to stop the birdcage.[7]

but I don't know that the translation part is true about it being vulcanization since I don't speak/read Japanese and it seems others simply called it Buso when changing colors. I think the "Koka" is supposed to be Luffy's either unique style of arm. V2 or just a name he came up with. Could be wrong though. I think we can think of Luffy's "Koka" as similar to Jinbei's "Plum skin" or whatever it was called.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The manga said skirmish and we all know a skirmish isn't a full out fight, not to mention that was crew against crew most likely since his crew was with him.



To be fair though where did it say he did it without haki? Haki wasn't colored in back then so how do we know?





The importance of that is to show that his power was enough to affect the earth's weather/atmosphere to a degree. The only other time we see the environment do stuff like that is with Logia. It'd be like if Zoro swung a sword and the air pressure from the swing was so great it reached up to the clouds and parted them, that's indicative of an insanely powerful swing.

Viz manga said scuffle and scuffle means a short or brief brawl.
Both kaido and Shanks crew was there so what are you trying to say here?
Kaido isn’t going to take out the strongest man with his crew by himself, he’d get crushed.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Viz manga said scuffle and scuffle means a short or brief brawl.
Both kaido and Shanks crew was there so what are you trying to say here?
Kaido isn’t going to take out the strongest man with his crew by himself, he’d get crushed.

I'm saying the manga said 1v1 bet on Kaido so bringing up an instance where Shanks' crew was able to hold off Kaido's isn't an accurate correlation in this discussion. Just because Shanks' crew was able to hold up Kaido's doesn't mean he'd win in a 1v1.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I'm saying the manga said 1v1 bet on Kaido so bringing up an instance where Shanks' crew was able to hold off Kaido's isn't an accurate correlation in this discussion. Just because Shanks' crew was able to hold up Kaido's doesn't mean he'd win in a 1v1.

Betting on Kaido 1 on 1 doesn't mean he will win, it's just a suggestion not a fact. As for the crew part, Shanks did fight kaido one on one just like how he approached Whitebeard and clashed briefly one on one without any help of his crew members.
Kaido lost Shanks won, you can't argue that since the manga did say that Shanks and Kaido got into a battle not the red haired pirates vs the beast pirates.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Betting on Kaido 1 on 1 doesn't mean he will win, it's just a suggestion not a fact. As for the crew part, Shanks did fight kaido one on one just like how he approached Whitebeard and clashed briefly one on one without any help of his crew members.
Kaido lost Shanks won, you can't argue that since the manga did say that Shanks and Kaido got into a battle not the red haired pirates vs the beast pirates.

@bold, he did? I must have missed that panel.

 

[Love Cook]

@bold, he did? I must have missed that panel.

Nah you didn't miss that panel. It doesn't exist. There is nothing known about that skirmish. He might as well offered Kaidou a good cigar if he didn't show up for the war.

Every detail besides the fact that they met on sea is speculation.