[Discussion] Top 20 Strongest Characters

[Uzumaki Macho]

Your logic is still a fallacy. Assuming that that was indeed Mihawk's strongest attack(It probably is, though I don't personally believe it'd look that small if he did it now and it'd be strongest attack, at least), OP fights have never been "You land a big blow, and the fight is automatically over."

Knocking someone out and winning a fight in OP have always been about layering/stacking damage on them until they can't take any more, typically weakening them to finish off with a big one. Two things to note here:

1. The only times this doesn't happen is when a gap in strength is very big. That's why one-shots in the manga are only seen between characters much stronger than another, and why it's accepted as such in the community.

2. It's a big attack to finish them off.

The relevance of the second point is that, if two characters of similar strength are fighting, and one lands their strongest attack on them right off the bat and they opponent is at 100%, chances are the opponent isn't going down. It'll be a bad hit, but unless it's a special attack like Law's Gamma Knife or Aokiji's Ice Time or Akainu's magma, it's not gonna one-shot. Case in point, Luffy's Gigant Pistol pre-skip did visibly the most damage on Rob Lucci with one blow. That attack almost KO'd him immediately, and almost broke his legs, causing the most destruction of any of Luffy's attacks. And it didn't immediately knock him. Almost, but it just illustrates the point: It's not about landing one attack, it's about landing enough.

So it's not really a good argument using Jozu blocking the slash this way either way. Cause how do you know if Mihawk had sent a second one, Jozu's defenses wouldn't have broken?


Scan for this fact? Also, that's not necessarily true. We've seen that becoming an Emperor is a combination of individual power, crew power, influence, and territory captured. Say Shanks did become an Emperor after his duel with Mihawk. How do you know Shanks didn't become an Emperor because of establishing connections? Or because he finally expanded his territory enough? Or because he finally amassed a strong enough crew while remaining the same strength himself? Far too many variables are unknown and at play to boil it down to JUST this, especially when this isn't even confirmed.



1. Another point that is unconfirmed and pure speculation

2. Shanks has always used sabres. They are one-arm swords. Shanks was never using two-arms with his swords anyways, so losing an arm wouldn't make him weaker.


Shanks has never displayed any abilities or fighting styles that are used separately from his sword.

When he and Buggy were fighting with Roger's crew? He pulled out a sabre.

When he thought Ace wanted to fight? He reached for his sabre.

When he saw Whitebeard was going to attack, Shanks drew his sabre. And he drew his weapon before WB even grabbed his Bisento, so he CHOSE to engage WHITEBEARD with his sword.

When he blocked Akainu's punch, he used a sabre.

When he declared he would engage in war with the Marines and BB crew, he pulled his sabre.

Everything about Shanks points to swordsman, zero things point to anything else. And before you say Haki, Haki is not a fighting style. All it does is enhance fighting styles. Which is Shanks'. The argument that Shanks' monster Haki is separate from his swordplay was debunked when Mihawk told Zoro mastery of Haki was key in becoming a better swordsman. Meaning the ability factors into it, not factors separately.


The only thing backing this statement is Garp saying the Yonko are the four strongest pirates who reside in the New World. Mihawk lives in Paradise. Technicality aside, the power of an Emperor does not stop at their individual power. Crew power and influence/allies also count as part of an Emperor's power. This is explicitly shown when Capone tells Sanji about how BM would find his loved ones via her connections, and says "This is the power of an Emperor."

Shanks being an Emperor means he has more power than Mihawk in that his crew and influence is greater. Especially when we see that Mihawk runs solo and doesn't appear to even have a crew.

You're ignoring that commanders have clashed with people strong enough to clash with Whitebeard. All of the people you've mentioned are on the same level(Jozu, Shanks, Mihawk, WB, Admirals, Marco). So while there are gaps, none of them are blowing past the other easily. ANY of them can clash the way Shanks and WB clashed.


Shanks' doesn't supercede Mihawk's.


Show a single panel of Shanks being portrayed as anything other than a swordsman.

You contradict yourself, using Shanks clashing with Emperors as a sign of his superiority to Mihawk while also calling what Shanks does a "little sword"....and yet those clashes were with his sword....

The only indication that the slash was Mihawk's strongest attack is some random fodder Marine calling it the strongest slash.

 

[ToshiZO]

He's calling it the strongest slash because it's coming from the strongest swordsman, I have never understood why this was ever a problem.
Every slash from the strongest swordsman can be dubbed the strongest slash. That's all it means. I mean if that's so hard, just sit back and think for a moment, how would a random fodder even know which slash of Mihawk's is his strongest? Is he an expert on his arsenal?

 

[HashiraMadara]

Your logic is still a fallacy. Assuming that that was indeed Mihawk's strongest attack(It probably is, though I don't personally believe it'd look that small if he did it now and it'd be strongest attack, at least), OP fights have never been "You land a big blow, and the fight is automatically over."

Knocking someone out and winning a fight in OP have always been about layering/stacking damage on them until they can't take any more, typically weakening them to finish off with a big one. Two things to note here:

1. The only times this doesn't happen is when a gap in strength is very big. That's why one-shots in the manga are only seen between characters much stronger than another, and why it's accepted as such in the community.

2. It's a big attack to finish them off.

The relevance of the second point is that, if two characters of similar strength are fighting, and one lands their strongest attack on them right off the bat and they opponent is at 100%, chances are the opponent isn't going down. It'll be a bad hit, but unless it's a special attack like Law's Gamma Knife or Aokiji's Ice Time or Akainu's magma, it's not gonna one-shot. Case in point, Luffy's Gigant Pistol pre-skip did visibly the most damage on Rob Lucci with one blow. That attack almost KO'd him immediately, and almost broke his legs, causing the most destruction of any of Luffy's attacks. And it didn't immediately knock him. Almost, but it just illustrates the point: It's not about landing one attack, it's about landing enough.

So it's not really a good argument using Jozu blocking the slash this way either way. Cause how do you know if Mihawk had sent a second one, Jozu's defenses wouldn't have broken?


Scan for this fact? Also, that's not necessarily true. We've seen that becoming an Emperor is a combination of individual power, crew power, influence, and territory captured. Say Shanks did become an Emperor after his duel with Mihawk. How do you know Shanks didn't become an Emperor because of establishing connections? Or because he finally expanded his territory enough? Or because he finally amassed a strong enough crew while remaining the same strength himself? Far too many variables are unknown and at play to boil it down to JUST this, especially when this isn't even confirmed.



1. Another point that is unconfirmed and pure speculation

2. Shanks has always used sabres. They are one-arm swords. Shanks was never using two-arms with his swords anyways, so losing an arm wouldn't make him weaker.


Shanks has never displayed any abilities or fighting styles that are used separately from his sword.

When he and Buggy were fighting with Roger's crew? He pulled out a sabre.

When he thought Ace wanted to fight? He reached for his sabre.

When he saw Whitebeard was going to attack, Shanks drew his sabre. And he drew his weapon before WB even grabbed his Bisento, so he CHOSE to engage WHITEBEARD with his sword.

When he blocked Akainu's punch, he used a sabre.

When he declared he would engage in war with the Marines and BB crew, he pulled his sabre.

Everything about Shanks points to swordsman, zero things point to anything else. And before you say Haki, Haki is not a fighting style. All it does is enhance fighting styles. Which is Shanks'. The argument that Shanks' monster Haki is separate from his swordplay was debunked when Mihawk told Zoro mastery of Haki was key in becoming a better swordsman. Meaning the ability factors into it, not factors separately.


The only thing backing this statement is Garp saying the Yonko are the four strongest pirates who reside in the New World. Mihawk lives in Paradise. Technicality aside, the power of an Emperor does not stop at their individual power. Crew power and influence/allies also count as part of an Emperor's power. This is explicitly shown when Capone tells Sanji about how BM would find his loved ones via her connections, and says "This is the power of an Emperor."

Shanks being an Emperor means he has more power than Mihawk in that his crew and influence is greater. Especially when we see that Mihawk runs solo and doesn't appear to even have a crew.

You're ignoring that commanders have clashed with people strong enough to clash with Whitebeard. All of the people you've mentioned are on the same level(Jozu, Shanks, Mihawk, WB, Admirals, Marco). So while there are gaps, none of them are blowing past the other easily. ANY of them can clash the way Shanks and WB clashed.


Shanks' doesn't supercede Mihawk's.


Show a single panel of Shanks being portrayed as anything other than a swordsman.

You contradict yourself, using Shanks clashing with Emperors as a sign of his superiority to Mihawk while also calling what Shanks does a "little sword"....and yet those clashes were with his sword....

I basically gave on it because all I saw was his speculations and unconfirmed statements vs my logic (which is that nothing is confirmed about Shanks being > Mihawk until he provides something else countering him as a swordsman). At least it's better than Rikodou Tobi method of resorting to bashings

 

[HashiraMadara]

He's calling it the strongest slash because it's coming from the strongest swordsman, I have never understood why this was ever a problem.
Every slash from the strongest swordsman can be dubbed the strongest slash. That's all it means. I mean if that's so hard, just sit back and think for a moment, how would a random fodder even know which slash of Mihawk's is his strongest? Is he an expert on his arsenal?

Exactly my point! A King Punch is a King Punch regardless of the desired offense magnitude.

 

[Skull Knight]

Why do ya'll keep calling that Mihawk's strongest attack? The marines called it "The World's Strongest Slash" which could be interpreted as a slash coming from the world's strongest swordsman nothing more. I doubt a serious Mihawk at his limits could swing his strongest attack so casually without any grunts whatsoever. His duels with Shanks were stated to shake the entire Grand-line which to me is more impressive than Punk hazard and splitting heavens.

1)That's the strongest thing Mihawk showed Pre TS unless you have scans supporting your arguments.

2)Marines and pirates have seen him fight before that's why Mihawk said something like I don't remember everyone I faced(something like that) at MF when some random fodder tried to attack him.his strongest attack has nothing to do with him being strongest Swordsman unless u are trying to pass the notion that he will use one of the lamest attack in his arsenal to test his limits with WSM WB.

3)Mihawk's clash with Shanks never shook Grand line. So Heavens Splitting is still consider as far more impressive feat that the strongest slash which couldn't bypass Jozu's absolute defence. It's even funny when somebody said will Jozu survived another attack of that caliber as if that attack did any damage to Jozu

Shanks is the only guy who fought/clashed with WSM WB, WSS Mihawk and WSC Kaido & non of them can beat/kill him.
So much for title guarantees victory :th:

 

[Bogard]

People still using the water7 yonko hype? This is how Den_Den_Mushi translated Garp's statement about them

Just popping in to say that Garp describes the yonko as 大海賊　as opposed to 最強の海賊. The former means 'great pirate', the second means the 'strongest pirates'. 大海賊 is similar to 大政治家 (great policitican) so it refers to only political power and influence. The latter half of his sentence about how the yonko 'reign' in the Grand Line supports this interpretation. Yonko has nothing to do with individual strength although it of course helps. Nothing is stopping individuals such as Akainu, the Gorosei etc being on their level.

It had nothing to do with individual power. Mihawk's title however does and it's what places him above Shanks

 

[Dannie]

Some of this may just be speculation and guesses, but I am not saying that Shanks low diffs Mihawk. Also, most of you want to go off of this WSS > Shanks argument because he is a semi swordsman and happens to carry a dagger, when I could easily say that since Shanks is 1 of the 4 emperors of the sea, that he is > Mihawk since everyone knows that they are the most powerful pirates of the NW.

Shanks has never displayed any abilities or fighting styles that are used separately from his sword.

When he and Buggy were fighting with Roger's crew? He pulled out a sabre.

When he thought Ace wanted to fight? He reached for his sabre.

When he saw Whitebeard was going to attack, Shanks drew his sabre. And he drew his weapon before WB even grabbed his Bisento, so he CHOSE to engage WHITEBEARD with his sword.

When he blocked Akainu's punch, he used a sabre.

When he declared he would engage in war with the Marines and BB crew, he pulled his sabre.

Everything about Shanks points to swordsman, zero things point to anything else. And before you say Haki, Haki is not a fighting style. All it does is enhance fighting styles. Which is Shanks'. The argument that Shanks' monster Haki is separate from his swordplay was debunked when Mihawk told Zoro mastery of Haki was key in becoming a better swordsman. Meaning the ability factors into it, not factors separately.

You may have a point that Shanks is a swordsman, but this is the pirate era, and it is customary for pirates to use swords, so I could easily say that Shanks carrying a sword is no big deal to his overall abilities. People like Mihawk and Zoro are pure swordsman meaning they only fight with swords, but you don't know for certain if Shanks is a pure swordsman, given that we have already seen him use conquerors, and yonko are known for having insane hidden powers or just some OP DF, so to come to the conclusion that Shanks is just a yonko that carries a sword is ridiculous, given how the other yonko are portrayed and have been portrayed in the series.

I remember you bringing up the example about Fujitora wielding a sword, so are we going to automatically assume that Mihawk is stronger than Fujitora just because he is the WSS and Fujitora just so happens to carry a sword, when we know that he has an insane DF power to compliment for it?

This is my argument for Shanks, is that we have no clue how strong his haki is and what his limits are, or when the last time he faced off against Mihawk to come to the conclusion that the title of WSS holds any weight to put him above Shanks currently.

I basically gave on it because all I saw was his speculations and unconfirmed statements vs my logic (which is that nothing is confirmed about Shanks being > Mihawk until he provides something else countering him as a swordsman). At least it's better than Rikodou Tobi method of resorting to bashings

You are a rather funny guy, and so easily to dismiss the feats and hype behind a yonko but is so quick to stick onto a title that does not even 100% confirm that Mihawk is above Shanks, given that we have not even seen Shanks in battle with just his one arm, nor do we know how strong he has become since his fights with Mihawk.

People still using the water7 yonko hype? This is how Den_Den_Mushi translated Garp's statement about them



It had nothing to do with individual power. Mihawk's title however does and it's what places him above Shanks

Question for you, when was the last time Shanks and Mihawk faced off, and why are you so quick to latch onto a title that has no bearing on current confirmation of who is stronger when they have not fought each other in over 10 years?


Basically this boils down to a few points:
1) Is Shanks a "pure" swordsman?

2) Wouldn't a yonko be capable of doing something other than wielding a sword and using haki?

3) Back when Shanks had both arms, the theory is that him and Mihawk were even, but this was a long time ago, so why wouldn't a much stronger Shanks with mastery of haki and only one arm(assuming he didn't know haki back then) not be much stronger than a Shanks with both of his arms and no mastery of haki? This also goes back to the theory of him not only using his bare swords in battle.

 

[TheNuetrix]

Re-thought the list:
20. Doflamingo
19. Luffy
18. Sabo
17. Jack
16. Katakuri
15. Shiryu
14. Rayleigh
13. Weevil
12. Sengoku
11. Marco
10.Garp
9. Fujitora
8. Mihawk
7. Kizaru
6. Aokiji
5. Akainu
4. Big Mom
3. Blackbeard
2. Kaido
1. Shanks

 

[Dibattista27]

Top 10 is yonko admiral
any order
4-yonko
1- fleet admiral
3-Admiral
2-dragon/mihawk
Bottom 10 of 20
5 strongest supernovas
4 yonkos first mates (*1really sabo)
1 buggy just because he'll weezel his way in some how

If I had to swap out like 3 for honorable mentions it be warlords (doffy/weevil/ and if there one not known him/her cuz their probably powerful). Also they probably won't exist by the end.

And I forgot so I need 23 spots for top three 5 elders in the 23-10
And you need some of the giants

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Unconventional opinion, but nico robin shitstomps all of these guys except logia users

What's garp or kaido gonna do about the the giant hand pricking and punch right in his eyes?
What's he gonna do about 10-20 gigantic hands breaking his neck, bending it all the way down to the underground?????


Mihawk doesnt stand a chance against an opponent like Nico Robin, it's a complete mismatch

The only guys who stand a chance against her are:

1) Thorn Thorn fruit girl
2)Exploding man
3) Impel down Protector
4)Luffy(If his eyes can stretch that is)
5)Jozu
6)All logia users
7)Brook




Only these guy can straight up beat her


Not even whitebeard stands a chance as Robin can simply gouge his eyes out from a log distance, she doesnt even need to see her target, thats real OP RIGHT THERE, GUYS



Oda made it so OP in the start, that hes nerfing the **** out of it at this point in the series, not one fight where Robin's power potential is used to the maximum, like not even one.

Remember the time when she says"Power and speed mean nothing to me"???

Well, a manga law has been been broken as of now.

 

[-Akuma-]

20. Jozu
19. Dogtooth
18. Jack
17. Sabo
16. Weevil
15. Shiryu/Magellan
14. Rayleigh
13. Marco
12. Mihawk
11. Kizaru
10. Aokiji
9. Fujitora
8. Sengoku
7. Akainu
6. Garp
5. Dragon
4. Big Mom
3. Kaido
2. Blackbeard
1. Shanks
(This is as everyone's current status as of ch.879. Beckman/Ryokugyu isn't here because lack of info and feats.)
Agree or Disagree????

This list is some dutt.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Much harder than I thought as top tiers are interchangeable. All top tiers are mostly extreme diff either way but if we can go by subjective percentage.....

1-Roger/WB
2-Prime Garp
3-Kaido
4-Prime Sengoku
5-Shiki
6-Mihawk
7-Shanks
8-Akainu
9-Dragon
10-Aokiji
11-Big Mom
12-Kizaru
13-Fujitora
14-Green Bull
15-Blackbeard
(-)Old Garp
16-Marco
17-Benn Beckman
(-)Old Sengoku
18-Old Rayleigh
19-Katakuri
20-Smoothie
21-Jack
22-Jozu
23-Vista
24-Cracker
25-Doflamingo

 

[Skull Knight]

Much harder than I thought as top tiers are interchangeable. All top tiers are mostly extreme diff either way but if we can go by subjective percentage.....

1-Roger/WB
2-Prime Garp
3-Kaido
4-Prime Sengoku
5-Shiki
6-Mihawk
7-Shanks
8-Akainu
9-Dragon
10-Aokiji
11-Big Mom
12-Kizaru
13-Fujitora
14-Green Bull
15-Blackbeard
(-)Old Garp
16-Marco
17-Benn Beckman
(-)Old Sengoku
18-Old Rayleigh
19-Katakuri
20-Smoothie
21-Jack
22-Jozu
23-Vista
24-Cracker
25-Doflamingo

Why do u think Shiki is above Shanks and why Green Bull is below other Admirals???
And what feats puts Smoothie above Jack???
I believe top tiers(Admirals/Yonkos & their commanders) hadn't shown their best feat. So it's hard to judge who is above whom Zzz

 

[Gintõki1]

1. Kung Fu Dugong

rest is fodder

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Why do u think Shiki is above Shanks and why Green Bull is below other Admirals???
And what feats puts Smoothie above Jack???
I believe top tiers(Admirals/Yonkos & their commanders) hadn't shown their best feat. So it's hard to judge who is above whom Zzz

Shiki was one of Roger's rivals and was to Sengoku as Roger was to Garp. He also fought Garp & Sengoku at the same time.

Green Bull hasn't even been revealed yet.....

Smoothie is portrayed as the #2 sweet commanders. Jack is portrayed as the #3 calamity with the card theme. Incredible imbalance of power is Jack is above Smoothie.

 

[Skull Knight]

Shiki was one of Roger's rivals and was to Sengoku as Roger was to Garp. He also fought Garp & Sengoku at the same time.

He lost to Sengoku and Garp and if he was strong enough then he would have challenged WB after Roger's execution but he simply said that WB is new PK.

Green Bull hasn't even been revealed yet.....

That's why I asked how did you figured that he is the weakest admiral???

Smoothie is portrayed as the #2 sweet commanders. Jack is portrayed as the #3 calamity with the card theme. Incredible imbalance of power is Jack is above Smoothie.

Jack is said to be Kaido's right hand and his bounty is also more than Smoothie. Dynamics of both BM pirates and Beast pirates are different( BM got 4commander & there are 3calamities in Beast pirates)
Also King can be anyone(Shogun or Kaido himself). Smoothie is also featless so nothing suggest Smoothie is above Jack.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

He lost to Sengoku and Garp and if he was strong enough then he would have challenged WB after Roger's execution but he simply said that WB is new PK.

....ok?

That's why I asked how did you figured that he is the weakest admiral???

Cause he hasn't done anything. Its like saying Weevil is stronger than Marco despite him not doing anything yet.

Jack is said to be Kaido's right hand and his bounty is also more than Smoothie. Dynamics of both BM pirates and Beast pirates are different( BM got 4commander & there are 3calamities in Beast pirates)
Also King can be anyone(Shogun or Kaido himself). Smoothie is also featless so nothing suggest Smoothie is above Jack.

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Mistranslation from manga stream. Jack is ONE of 3 right hands. His calamities hold the same position. Kaido has THREE calamities. BM has 4 commanders which is why it'll be ridiculous and be a power imbalance if Katakuri's the only one with some backbone. By portrayal and how Oda handles subordinates throughout the series, Jack is at the bottom. Smoothie is portrayed above Cracker.

 

[Passerby]

Much harder than I thought as top tiers are interchangeable. All top tiers are mostly extreme diff either way but if we can go by subjective percentage.....

1-Roger/WB
2-Prime Garp
3-Kaido
4-Prime Sengoku
5-Shiki
6-Mihawk
7-Shanks
8-Akainu
9-Dragon
10-Aokiji
11-Big Mom
12-Kizaru
13-Fujitora
14-Green Bull
15-Blackbeard
(-)Old Garp
16-Marco
17-Benn Beckman
(-)Old Sengoku
18-Old Rayleigh
19-Katakuri
20-Smoothie
21-Jack
22-Jozu
23-Vista
24-Cracker
25-Doflamingo

Yo what's Mihawk/Aokiji gonna do once Mama heads to sky and has Prometheus nuke the battlefield?

 

[Dannie]

Not sure why Jozu is above Doflamingo

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[Vandenre1ch]

Yo what's Mihawk/Aokiji gonna do once Mama heads to sky and has Prometheus nuke the battlefield?

Mingo can fly too so...if you actually think Prometheus is a threat to Aokiji(who could handle magma) and Mihawk with his range....even Brooke damage Prometheus...

Not sure why Jozu is above Doflamingo

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Is it about parasite that Mingo used via distraction and has no way of damaging Jozu?