[Discussion] Top 20 Strongest Characters
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Skull Knight
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If Yonkos are the strongest pirates than Shanks is obviously stronger than Mihawk. Your last point basically contradicted your 2nd point.
Now let's be honest Shanks is the only guy shown who has fought with WSS, WSC & WSM. Whatever Mihawk showed Pre TS Shanks already showed that when he and WB split the cloud attack. On the other hand Mihawk's strongest attack didn't even reached to WB.
Titles means nothing in OPverse and if it really means anything than Enel should be considered as the strongest guy since he was worshipped as God.
lol I said what yonkos take out two admirals? Classic attempt at trying to change my argument I always said very high to extreme diff battle but yonko have the edge in the hype department. I recall you saying specifically the only reason we haven't seen great hype from admirals like we see for big mam is that they haven't had their own arc to shine.
Vandenre1ch
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By bad. The 4 most POWERFUL pirates. They are yonkos due to their crews & territories. They reign like EMPERORS. If Shanks didn't have territories, he wouldn't be a yonko. Mihawk>Shanks due to his absolute title supported by the author himself.
Kaido is #1 as directly said the manga and the author in an SBS. There is no other option or room for debate. That Enel point makes no sense and doesn't relate to this whatsoever.
Then why do you always come at me screaming yonko are much stronger? Why do you always get mad when I say yonkos aren't a level above admirals? I always said yonko & admirals are the same level, something that falls within your new opinion so again, why all the hostility when I say something that you should agree with? You came at me in this topic just because I said the yonko aren't the top4 in OP. ALso, never said anything about admiral hype. Don't think I ever did in any debate.
Dęvîa Puęrî
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Umm mihawk is not a pirate so strongest pirates nonsense doesn't apply to him
Skull Knight
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Yonkos have to work for these territories. It not like they got those lands for free(as seen how BM started her career with that cook). Slowly slowly they gained that ferocious hype that they are the strongest in NW. Their allies hardly plays major role other than fighting in background as seen in MF and Current arc. It's their hype which made Supernovas to either support them or go against them & we all know how things went with those who tried to fight Yonkos.
Mihawk and Shanks clashed numerous times and let's say the result was a draw. Even after loosing that arm Shanks was ready to fight 5Admiral lvl guys in MF. That same guy clashed with WB and made heavens split. He stopped Kaido from going towards MF.
Nothing suggest he lost a huge chunk of power because of his dominant arm got eaten by that sea serpant.
I won't discuss about Kaido right now because he is also the same guy who got defeated 7times by his enemies and let's get this straight the only person who can defeat him is Admirals or Yonkos(I doubt Yonko commanders could beat him or stop him). And a collaboration of Admirals and Yonkos is doubtful.
Enel point is simple and clear that titles means nothing in OPverse. Enel was worshipped as God, Ussop was seen as God in Dressrosa but none of them were God. Even the fancy title people brings like WSM hardly matters when Top Tiers fights. Best example is WB vs Akainu(even after repeated punching Akainu, he still came back). WB can't knock him out(and WB was supposedly WSM whose Haki wasn't good enough to stop those Lava punches making holes in him) whereas Shanks sword easily stopped Akainu's Punch.
Another example is Mihawk's "World Strongest Attack" which couldn't bypass Jozu's defence.
Shichibukais are still consider as Pirates.
Uzumaki Macho
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Using your logic, EoS Luffy has no chance of being the strongest character since he lost to Ace a lot when they were kids.
Kaido definitely wasn't as strong as he is right now when he got some of those defeats.
Skull Knight
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Kaido was recently defeated by Shanks. He wants to fight WB and in front of him there was another Yonko stopping him. Do u think he will leave this opportunity to fight one of the most dangerous guys in OP???
And let's not forget that he wants to die.
Uzumaki Macho
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Kaido and Shanks didn't fight, unless you think that Shanks would really beat Kaido without receiving a single bruise.
Where did I say much stronger? I only debate this because all the yonkos have better hype than the admirals that's a fact. You can be the same level yet one person can have the edge. You seem to think when I say edge that means a gaping wide distance in their abilities.
You argued that before in our debates on which group had better hype. It must also be in the schibukai + navy = yonko debate we all had. I am just asking you for validation of hype from admirals that can be on par of the yonkos. In general you go on very opinionated stances so I'm calling you out on it.
Vandenre1ch
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You mean when I said you can't say yonkous are stronger due to hype cause that's just YOU feeling hyped? I always recall saying that the yonkos and admirals were always put in the same light and that since we're currently dealing with the yonko's head on, of course they'd get more attention & exposure. The marines have yet to play a big role but they've have been hyped(a word you like using), to do so aka Akainu avoiding big names in preparation for something and WB telling the marines that war is coming, which makes all this yonko>admirals due to hype flawed. Its like saying Katakuri>King Calamity due to hype even though that's only because Kata is the one getting exposure at the moment while the calamity is unknown. Personal hype and build up are two different things.
Doesn't change that you always come at me saying I wank admirals.
Big Mom is shitting on this Yonkou > Admiral notion.
Some hypebeast readers got this feeling due to very little details of the Yonkou being revealed vs the Admirals being center stage pre skip. If it weren't for Kaidou I may have even considered Admirals > Yonkou due to BM's incompetence and knowing the Admirals are organized.
Some hypebeast readers got this feeling due to very little details of the Yonkou being revealed vs the Admirals being center stage pre skip. If it weren't for Kaidou I may have even considered Admirals > Yonkou due to BM's incompetence and knowing the Admirals are organized.
Skull Knight
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Kaido was going to MF to challenge WB.
Shanks could easily destroy his ship using long range attack and knock his fodder army wit Conqueror Haki. If he is a DF user and doesn't have flight then that fight is over. This is the best explanation what might have happened in that skirmish which Marines were talking about.
You don't have to use strength all the time to beat your opponent. Sometimes you just need to be smart.
Here comes the marines have yet to play a big role. Man Akainu and the original admirals got mf arc to be hyped. And fujitora got his own hype in dressrosa. Can we seriously say that ppl like fujitora have the same hype as big mam hell no. I mean I'm sure it'll be a high diff battle but based on pure hype bM outclasses fujitora. And it's already stated that Kaido is the best. As a group yonkos have the hype edge it's just facts. It's not my feeling about it, it's specific pages in the manga dedicated to just a hype a person up and the manner in which it's done and in that category yonkos have the edge.
What does king calamity have to do with this he is unknown. I'm not bringing any of the new admirals into this either I'm just basing it off the hype and feats we got from the admirals we have seen.
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Lol what does organization have to do with strength. BM might not be the brightest, it still doesn't negate her feats and hype. Does fujitora match her in hype?? She is an indestructible beast as far as we have seen. And she made kaido look even more dangerous.
Your argument on this topic is quite bad, you initially thought bM was chump change but she's clearly not. The details revealed about the yonko made them look damn near impossible to defeat idk where your narrative comes from
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You hit the nail on the head. If you look back at threads from half a year ago when Big Mom only had hype and no feats. Big Mom was being slaughterer in this section. A small vocal minority was getting off on shitting on her and sucking Kaido dong. And Toshi was a frequent visitor and contributor of those threads.
If he tries to backpaddle now and says how awesome she is, he will look foolish based on what he has said already. But it will physically hurt him on the inside to admit that Big Mom is showcasing the biggest feats of strength so far.
BM looks like an incompetent tool. She doesn't even have full control over her own abilities lmfao, she had her own main weapons attacking her in battle, that is the lowest of the lows. She really makes the title of Yonkou look bad, if an uncontrolled overgrown child like her can become one.
And I thought Fujitora looked bad on Dressrosa, but damn BM is hot trash. She hasn't even had a single jaw dropping moment which pretty much comes with every top tier intro.
Fujitora brought down a meteor from outer space
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Heck her fellow Yonkou themselves,
Shanks was knocking people out without lifting a finger and without a DF trick
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Kaidou fell from 10 000 meters without a scratch and that narrative that came with it
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These moments cemented these characters as top tiers right off the bat. Big Mom in her intro was doing building level damage on a "rampage" and scared some fodder son of hers who didn't have any hype built up to bring any impact to the scene, with the chapter titled after her and everything.
Manga being a visual medium, Oda has set apart top tiers from the rest in this regard, all these moments wowed the reader. We're this deep into BM's own arc and she can hardly provide anything, those characters did it in hardly any panel time.
The organized point, meant that the Admirals are probably more closely knit being a solely strength based title monitored by an organization, whereas the Yonkou power gap is spread out.
And you can try your best to separate the Admirals and the Yonkou, but Oda himself has made it clear they are on the exact same playing field.
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This is funny because I was told we just had to wait for her to look impressive.
And turns out she looked even worse LMAO, the community literally calls her Big Meme now, she was falling all over the place during the chase scene, and couldn't even keep her own abilities in check (Zeus), she lost all credibility.
I had a bad feeling about her since Oda didn't give her an impressive intro at all, was hoping I was wrong but she looked even worse than the initial look. People who were defending her at the beginning even stopped. Well those who aren't stubborn idiots and are willing to change their opinions.
It's become so bad, that Big Mom turned into an afterthought in this arc, Katakuri became the real focus while she is currently playing the old birdcage, buster call role. It's a travesty what Oda did to this character, second to only Sanji for this arc.
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You put in all that time and effort to find those scans for nothing. Look at my post I believe them to be of a similar level but yonkos had an edge in terms of hype. Edge means a slight advantage I'm not here saying yonko>>>>admirals.
I don't care if fujitora dropped a meteor, doffy has shown a bird cage which was as impressive. Hell fujitora needed others to push it back.
Admirals have impressive hype but yonkos have it better. Kaido is self explanatory. Big mom is considered indestructible + power of taking souls away + imbue them and all her other feats. Mainly they haven't even seen her bleed unless you use that picture.
Fujitora was never shown as nearly that unbeatable in any situation, he was called a beast but ppl like bM have better hype it's just plainly there.
So a plot induced stupidity such as Zeus convinently eating the thunder makes her not strong?? Lol what a stupid argument. Only Nami in the whole wide world could do what she did. It's like an enel and luffy situation.
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So on one end you are talking about hype, and on the other you are ignoring it when convenient. Hype is like a sub category to portrayal, you bring in plot induced stupidity and ignore the biggest PIS which was birdcage? You say their hype is better but don't realize her having no control over Zeus plays against her hype and portrayal as a character no matter the PIS behind it (similar to Fujitora not doing anything to birdcage). Lmfao you come off as extremely biased with these claims. The least you can do is stay consistent, or not bring these points up which clearly contradict each other in the same sentence.
The only thing objective here is Don Chinjao's words, and Luffy's own words, those can't be disputed. YK and Admirals have been placed on the exact same playing field when it comes to becoming the PK and surpassing Roger, both need to be surpassed, this was emphasized. Other than that, your only argument was what you subjectively felt was more hype, idc.