[Discussion] Top 20 Strongest Characters
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Shanks is a swordsman. Mihawk is the WSS which means he's stronger. I mean WB was the WGM but he was still above Kaido who isn't a man.
Mihawk's title says strongest. Not most skilled.
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WB was also WSM but nothing indicates that in terms of strength Akainu, Kizaru, Shanks and few other guys are weaker than him. His title didn't put him above these guys. So why Mihawk is given the special treatment???
In a clash of top tiers these titles have no value. Best example is WSC Kaido who got defeated 7times.
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Yes, BM was hyped to be an Admiral lvl person at a very young age,
Kaido single handedly destroyed Moriah's crew. Nothing suggest or indicates most of his defeat came when he was rookie and let's not forget about those execution blades unable to kill him. You seriously think a rookie had impenetrable skin at the beginning of his career???
And I already wrote in last page how Kaido-Shanks skirmish might have happened.
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Because Whitebeard renounced his title at Marineford.
Wrong. It was said that one day, she could be an Admiral. Not that she was Admiral that young.
Even if you wanna say that BM was Admiral at that age, you have no proof that she got stronger as she grew, and wasn't born at her full potential.
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Yes but he renounce the title when his condition started becoming worse and said something like I can't hold this title forever(something like that). It doesn't mean he wasn't introduced at MF as WSM. Even Admirals were always warning Marines when WB makes a move like Jumping from his ship or showing them those quake attacks. Still Admirals stopped him with their strength. Like Kizaru stopping his bisento with his leg.
Yes I have proof that she got stronger. Her homies gave her flight abilities and long range attack abilities which she was missing when she was born.
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After he's stabbed, Crocodile says the man who defeated him would have never have been stabbed like that. WB muses about how people like Crocodile and the world at large, really, kept calling WB a monster and a demon, when in reality he was just like any other man and had gotten weaker. WB dismissed the notion that he ever came into MF as the WSM. He wasn't the WSM well before he stepped foot on that plaza.
He wasn't.
That's because Admirals are Yonko-level in the first place. Even if WB wasn't sick, any of the three of them would be able to give him hard fight. Him being sick meant that they had the advantage over him, which is why he wasn't the WSM anymore. As he himself said, he was just one man with one heart, so everyone's expectations of him being the same monster he always was forever was, to WB, a foolish notion.
This doesn't make her any stronger, this makes her more versatile. Where's proof her durability, physical power, speed, stamina, and Haki got stronger?
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When Shanks and WB clashed Jozu(if I m not wrong) also said something like what is Shank's doing with WB? And Marco asked him to relax.
WB condition was always the same. Still he was holding that title and renounced it after his condition become worse???
The same guy made heavens split. Mihawk basically tried to test his limits with him. His WSM hype is the reason which pushed Mihawk to use his strongest attack Pre TS.
Admirals were successful because he got heart attack in mid of the war and he can't use any Haki to save himself and Ace. He had to relied upon Luffy to do that.
Do u have any scan of Young BM using Armament Haki??? She obviously developed it later in her life and now it is strong enough to stop Luffy's attack. Another thing is her Conqueror's Haki is also strong enough to stop any incoming attacks. She definitely trained herself to do that.
Now to her homies part, both Zeus and Prometheus are made from her soul. They are part of her which basically gives her long range attacks and Flight abilities. They are very much important to her as seen when one of her son's was saying where Zeus ran away and now Perospero is carring her.
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Lol dude you're really reaching with this crap. That's her dehype moment in terms of strength. Capone being cocky is justifiable as her being weak. Yea we kno her hype is inferior to kaido she herself acknowledged him. Dude again her feats of tanking attack from Zeus, along with having said to have never bled makes your whole argument here look stupid. You're just reaching because initially you thought BM was chump change
And yea that's cool and all but again I've seen much better showings from akainu and aokiji etc. fujitora is lacking, and doffys birdcage was as impressive as what Fuji was doing. From what I've seen from Fuji he would only give a high diff battle to the priginal admirals. He's just relatively not that impressive.
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Why do ya'll keep calling that Mihawk's strongest attack? The marines called it "The World's Strongest Slash" which could be interpreted as a slash coming from the world's strongest swordsman nothing more. I doubt a serious Mihawk at his limits could swing his strongest attack so casually without any grunts whatsoever. His duels with Shanks were stated to shake the entire Grand-line which to me is more impressive than Punk hazard and splitting heavens.
Is there any reason to believe that he didn't put all of his power into that swing when he knew WB was a huge powerhouse and wanted to see the difference in their strength? What sense would it make for Mihawk to not use all of his power in a swing if he wanted to see the difference in their power?
"Oh hey, I want to see for myself how I stack up to this guy so let me hold back some of my power and see what happens despite knowing how powerful this guy is."
If the Marines called it the worlds strongest slash and Mihawk wanted to see the difference in his power from WB, then that means it was his strongest attack. Nothing more. Nothing less.
lol @ this argument when someone like Zoro doesn't even need to "grunt" to cut Pica in half.
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And considering that Mihawk has the strongest sword, what reason would he need to grunt to use his strongest attack?
You got a scan for that because I remember WB saying this;
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And their duels most likely happened well before Shanks was even a master at haki.
The reaction that Shanks got at Marineford, not to mention his clash with WB is better than ANYTHING that Mihawk has done, like trying to attack WB, but getting his attacked deflected by Jozu, while Shanks continues to claim his hype, Mihawk has not done anything of worth that would put him over Shanks.
And no, I'm not a Shanks fanboy. Just kinda dumb seeing people place him below Mihawk when the man is only a Shichibukai while Shanks has obviously gotten stronger since their duels which gave him the title of yonko.
Yonko > Shichibukai. Do the math.
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LOL at this, Luffy has been caught testing many opponents in the manga and testing has never been a concept of go all out to test someone. Zoro thought when fighting Pica a slash loses power as it travels and wouldn't be strong enough. To be honest that slash was for Jozu portrayal more than anything to do with WB.
LOL at this again. A king Punch is a King punch regardless of magnitude. Any strong slash from Mihawk is the world's strongest slash by default as he is the WSS and has nothing to do with "Now he was going all out".
Zoro mid diffed Pica, grunting was no necessity! Check Zoro vs Kaku or Mihawk.WTF is this question? That's like saying the world's strongest man won't grunt when fighting something else at his limit because He is using his strongest attack. When you have met your match and are going all out you are bound to grunt when attacking like Ace vs BB and Akainu vs WB.
Yeah Mihawk went on to the WSS while Shanks remained not being that while he is a swordmans. Somehow you're hyping him with Conq H as if it's been practical in a fight before.
translate: so far I'll ignore the WSS logic I couldn't refute to believe in shanks hype making him > Mihawk
Nigga what? You're using someone whose opponents are either around his level or slightly stronger than him, not to mention this mans is only ever serious in a fight if things are at stake. Why the hell would Luffy not use all his power against an opponent that is stronger than him, which is almost ALWAYS the case.
Dawg, the slash was aimed FOR WB.
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How tf is it a "portrayal" for Jozu when he was aiming at the Oro Jackson to hit WB?
And you have no proof that he was holding back while I have more evidence that he was using his full strength.
The swing was large and powerful enough that is was breaking Aokiji's ice. I am pretty sure it was his strongest attack, while the only thing you have is this shitty grunt argument that is not always needed to deliver a powerful attack.
WTF is this question? That's like saying the world's strongest man won't grunt when fighting something else at his limit because He is using his strongest attack. When you have met your match and are going all out you are bound to grunt when attacking like Ace vs BB and Akainu vs WB.
>Shanks became a yonko after his duels with Mihawk which means he obviously became stronger
>Mihawk became the WSS only because Shanks lost his arm, when it is basic logic that a swordsman is better fit being a swordsman when he has 2 arms instead of one.
>Shanks entire arsenal does not revolve around his swordsmanship nor do you have any evidence that that is the only thing he uses in battle, when we have actually seen feats from him having strong conquerers haki, which would most likely mean his other aspects of haki are also top tier.
>You are ignoring the fact that Shanks is Yonko, which should naturally be above any other form of pirates or the Shichibukai
>You are ignoring that Mihawk got his attack deflected by a WB commander, while Shanks was busy clashing with two other Yonko's
>You are ignoring that while Mihawk has the title of WSS, Shanks holds the title of Yonko
But sure, since Shanks carrys a little sword and Mihawk has WSS, lets all believe that this man is above a yonko. Sure.
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Your logic is still a fallacy. Assuming that that was indeed Mihawk's strongest attack(It probably is, though I don't personally believe it'd look that small if he did it now and it'd be strongest attack, at least), OP fights have never been "You land a big blow, and the fight is automatically over."
Knocking someone out and winning a fight in OP have always been about layering/stacking damage on them until they can't take any more, typically weakening them to finish off with a big one. Two things to note here:
1. The only times this doesn't happen is when a gap in strength is very big. That's why one-shots in the manga are only seen between characters much stronger than another, and why it's accepted as such in the community.
2. It's a big attack to finish them off.
The relevance of the second point is that, if two characters of similar strength are fighting, and one lands their strongest attack on them right off the bat and they opponent is at 100%, chances are the opponent isn't going down. It'll be a bad hit, but unless it's a special attack like Law's Gamma Knife or Aokiji's Ice Time or Akainu's magma, it's not gonna one-shot. Case in point, Luffy's Gigant Pistol pre-skip did visibly the most damage on Rob Lucci with one blow. That attack almost KO'd him immediately, and almost broke his legs, causing the most destruction of any of Luffy's attacks. And it didn't immediately knock him. Almost, but it just illustrates the point: It's not about landing one attack, it's about landing enough.
So it's not really a good argument using Jozu blocking the slash this way either way. Cause how do you know if Mihawk had sent a second one, Jozu's defenses wouldn't have broken?
Scan for this fact? Also, that's not necessarily true. We've seen that becoming an Emperor is a combination of individual power, crew power, influence, and territory captured. Say Shanks did become an Emperor after his duel with Mihawk. How do you know Shanks didn't become an Emperor because of establishing connections? Or because he finally expanded his territory enough? Or because he finally amassed a strong enough crew while remaining the same strength himself? Far too many variables are unknown and at play to boil it down to JUST this, especially when this isn't even confirmed.
1. Another point that is unconfirmed and pure speculation
2. Shanks has always used sabres. They are one-arm swords. Shanks was never using two-arms with his swords anyways, so losing an arm wouldn't make him weaker.
Shanks has never displayed any abilities or fighting styles that are used separately from his sword.
When he and Buggy were fighting with Roger's crew? He pulled out a sabre.
When he thought Ace wanted to fight? He reached for his sabre.
When he saw Whitebeard was going to attack, Shanks drew his sabre. And he drew his weapon before WB even grabbed his Bisento, so he CHOSE to engage WHITEBEARD with his sword.
When he blocked Akainu's punch, he used a sabre.
When he declared he would engage in war with the Marines and BB crew, he pulled his sabre.
Everything about Shanks points to swordsman, zero things point to anything else. And before you say Haki, Haki is not a fighting style. All it does is enhance fighting styles. Which is Shanks'. The argument that Shanks' monster Haki is separate from his swordplay was debunked when Mihawk told Zoro mastery of Haki was key in becoming a better swordsman. Meaning the ability factors into it, not factors separately.
The only thing backing this statement is Garp saying the Yonko are the four strongest pirates who reside in the New World. Mihawk lives in Paradise. Technicality aside, the power of an Emperor does not stop at their individual power. Crew power and influence/allies also count as part of an Emperor's power. This is explicitly shown when Capone tells Sanji about how BM would find his loved ones via her connections, and says "This is the power of an Emperor."
Shanks being an Emperor means he has more power than Mihawk in that his crew and influence is greater. Especially when we see that Mihawk runs solo and doesn't appear to even have a crew.
You're ignoring that commanders have clashed with people strong enough to clash with Whitebeard. All of the people you've mentioned are on the same level(Jozu, Shanks, Mihawk, WB, Admirals, Marco). So while there are gaps, none of them are blowing past the other easily. ANY of them can clash the way Shanks and WB clashed.
Shanks' doesn't supercede Mihawk's.
Show a single panel of Shanks being portrayed as anything other than a swordsman.
You contradict yourself, using Shanks clashing with Emperors as a sign of his superiority to Mihawk while also calling what Shanks does a "little sword"....and yet those clashes were with his sword....