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It isn't BS, just manga fact. The fact that you're ignoring it doesn't put any weight into your argument. Barely keeping up? Give me a break.

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No counters to actual manga pages? Don't flatter yourself. You engage in a conversation every time with nothing to back stuff up. I get angry over cartoons? Trust me, don't lump me with your band of moronic friends. I am always perfectly calm.
Please..
Because u post scans where Sasuke and Naruto are running next to each other towards an intended target your reasoning is their speed is even? U don't possibly think that any rational person on here can call that a feat or evidence.
The eyes chooses what it wants to see huh?
 

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It isn't BS, just manga fact. The fact that you're ignoring it doesn't put any weight into your argument. Barely keeping up? Give me a break.

@Evani

No counters to actual manga pages? Get lost.
His eyes could not keep up with Bee's swordplay, that's a fact.

During the Kage summit he was getting tossed around. Had Oonki went in he would of gotten fodderized.

If he didn't run from the Raikage he would of gotten blitzed again or Raikage would be missing a leg and Sasuke would of had a caved in chest.
 

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Because u post scans where Sasuke and Naruto are running next to each other towards an intended target your reasoning is their speed is even? U don't possibly think that any rational person on here can call that a feat or evidence.
Manga scans cannot be used as evidence? Rationality over Manga scans - you can keep that rationality. The scans are there and that's the only evidence that matters.

P.s: I wonder where Naruto added more speed to FRS. No scan I can think of.
 

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Broken list. Why can't we understand that teleportation and speed are two things... Yes you can say how fast you went from (x) place to (x) place but not as in “speed” As in how fast actually, By movement, It's teleportation, So these comparations are all wrong— How are you guys gonna put minato above everyone else, He's called the yellow flash because of his FTG not because of how fast he is, He is as fast as any normal ninja.
 

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1. Minato
2. Kabuto
3. Juubito
4. Tobirama
5. Naruto
6. A
7. Third Raikage
8. Gai
9. Madara
10. Itachi

Without a doubt. Maybe naruto deserves to be higher up
 

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Broken list. Why can't we understand that teleportation and speed are two things... Yes you can say how fast you went from (x) place to (x) place but not as in “speed” As in how fast actually, By movement, It's teleportation, So these comparations are all wrong— How are you guys gonna put minato above everyone else, He's called the yellow flash because of his FTG not because of how fast he is, He is as fast as any normal ninja.
The fact that Minato has the reflexes to utilize FTG to it's greatest extent isn't being fast?

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Him being fast enough to use FTG and capitalize on his opponent is great. Not many people can even comprehend where they're going if they're moving instantaneously.

Him and Tobirama are in another league in that regard.

Naruto can't even go full speed because he either whiffs the attack of puts too much speed into it.
 
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Broken list. Why can't we understand that teleportation and speed are two things... Yes you can say how fast you went from (x) place to (x) place but not as in “speed” As in how fast actually, By movement, It's teleportation, So these comparations are all wrong— How are you guys gonna put minato above everyone else, He's called the yellow flash because of his FTG not because of how fast he is, He is as fast as any normal ninja.
Thats not really true. When Minato saved baby Naruto from Obito using his Shunshin Obito said he lives up to his nickname. Of course, hes not as fast as Naruto or A, but his speed is still on godlike level compared to normal shinobi.
The fact that Minato has the reflexes to utilize FTG to it's greatest extent isn't being fast?

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Not really. Reflexes =/= foot speed. For example, Sharingan user can see his enemy movements, but that doesnt his body will be fast enough to react.
 

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Manga scans cannot be used as evidence? Rationality over Manga scans - you can keep that rationality. The scans are there and that's the only evidence that matters.

P.s: I wonder where Naruto added more speed to FRS. No scan I can think of.
What are u talking about..
They both went for obito, it's not like the first would get a free ice cream or something.
It was a combined attack, u think Kishi has time to draw an extra panel for every character that is faster then the other?
But believe what u want to believe, if it makes u sleep better so be it.

Also just because u can present a feat of Sasuke having a better Shunshin feat then Minato (who by the way was dead for 92% of the manga) does not mean he is faster then Minato.
 
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His eyes could not keep up with Bee's swordplay, that's a fact.

During the Kage summit he was getting tossed around. Had Oonki went in he would of gotten fodderized.

If he didn't run from the Raikage he would of gotten blitzed again or Raikage would be missing a leg and Sasuke would of had a caved in chest.
That's why he was holding his ground at the start? I didn't know eyes and body do not work in co-ordination in Kenjutsu or sword-play in general. Nice assertion.

Bee sweating at Sasuke's speed Spike -
Upper Hand in one-handed Sword Battle -

Sasuke reacting and countering just fine:

- - His Sharingan is not on here.
- - His Sharingan did see through the Sword attack, but as he himself was injured, his body couldn't respond properly.

As for the stabs:

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- - He didn't know Bee could cancel it out with his own Raiton. That gave Bee an opening after deflecting his sword back.

Even during this time, Sasuke was quick enough to avoid any fatal attacks by moving Raiton through his own body -

But you're stating? Doesn't go hand in hand with the manga.

Not keeping up with Kages and Ae would have what? Your self-made assertion or a fact? I am leaning towards the former quite decisively.
 

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Thats not really true. When Minato saved baby Naruto from Obito using his Shunshin Obito said he lives up to his nickname. Of course, hes not as fast as Naruto or A, but his speed is still on godlike level compared to normal shinobi.

Not really. Reflexes =/= foot speed. For example, Sharingan user can see his enemy movements, but that doesnt his body will be fast enough to react.

Fast is fast. Whether it's justu speed, foot speed, or reflexes.

Him being fast enough to use FTG and capitalize on his opponent is great. Not many people can even comprehend where they're going if they're moving instantaneously.

Him and Tobirama are in another league in that regard, especially considering they do not have sharingan.

Naruto can't even go full speed because he either whiffs the attack of puts too much speed into it.
 

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Okay he has fast reflexes i can't argue with the manga... Take his kunais away and put him in a race with everyone in the list.

You get where i'm coming from?
 

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Are you seriously playing this through this level of ridiculous reasoning? Scans don't matter to you, then take it else where.
no u are . I can present u a scan where Kakashi and guy are running next to each other, but according to you that can't be possibly cause the manga has already stated guy is faster then Kakashi.
There is some serious things wrong with some of your logic.
But nvm this is pointless , it's like discussing with a religious person
 

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That's why he was holding his ground at the start? I didn't know eyes and body do not work in co-ordination in Kenjutsu or sword-play in general. Nice assertion.

Bee sweating at Sasuke's speed Spike -
Upper Hand in one-handed Sword Battle -

Sasuke reacting and countering just fine:

- - His Sharingan is not on here.
- - His Sharingan did see through the Sword attack, but as he himself was injured, his body couldn't respond properly.

As for the stabs:

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- - He didn't know Bee could cancel it out with his own Raiton. That gave Bee an opening after deflecting his sword back.

Even during this time, Sasuke was quick enough to avoid any fatal attacks by moving Raiton through his own body -

But you're stating? Doesn't go hand in hand with the manga.

Not keeping up with Kages and Ae would have what? Your self-made assertion or a fact? I am leaning towards the former quite decisively.
Had it not been for Zetsu and Gaara stopping Ay, Sasuke would of died.

His sharingan didn't didn't help in reduce the stabs at all. Even if he didn't anticpate it, his Sharigan should of red flagged it.
 
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^ Again, your opinion NOT a freaking fact. The manga only states that Ae could have been hurt, but in your opinion Sasuke dies? LOL @ this guy. No proof no nothing to back this up.
 

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Manga scans cannot be used as evidence? Rationality over Manga scans - you can keep that rationality. The scans are there and that's the only evidence that matters.

P.s: I wonder where Naruto added more speed to FRS. No scan I can think of.
I believe Raikage encountered sasuke before saying this


Itachi proved too fast for him too..a sick Itachi btw





Sasuke couldn't dodge the raikage's attacks but KCM naruto did



No argument cuz raikage said kcm naruto was the second person and the raikage defintely encountered sasuke before that

sorry but last time I checked sasuke's speed wasn't capable of deflecting 5 tbb
 
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Fast is fast. Whether it's justu speed, foot speed, or reflexes.

Him being fast enough to use FTG and capitalize on his opponent is great. Not many people can even comprehend where they're going if they're moving instantaneously.

Him and Tobirama are in another league in that regard, especially considering they do not have sharingan.

Naruto can't even go full speed because he either whiffs the attack of puts too much speed into it.
I only wanted to say that foot speed and reflexes are completely different thing. In fact you said it yourself at the end of your post. KCM Naruto that charged at Kisame had ability to move at great speed, but his brain was not used to this kind of speed, therefore he collided with the wall. Its the other way with Minato - just becuase his reflexes are at the highest levels doesnt mean his body will allow him to be faster than Naruto or A. Of course, FTG is "faster" than any kind of speed, but it still cant be count as foot speed, since when you are teleporting you are not moving at all, instead you are manipulating space - time.
 

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I only wanted to say that foot speed and reflexes are completely different thing. In fact you said it yourself at the end of your post. KCM Naruto that charged at Kisame had ability to move at great speed, but his brain was not used to this kind of speed, therefore he collided with the wall. Its the other way with Minato - just becuase his reflexes are at the highest levels doesnt mean his body will allow him to be faster than Naruto or A. Of course, FTG is "faster" than any kind of speed, but it still cant be count as foot speed, since when you are teleporting you are not moving at all, instead you are manipulating space - time.
I see, maybe he and Tobirama should be on the list with an asterisk.

* Using FTG
 

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- Referring to Fourth's FTG - a technique he used to elude V2 Ae.

- Who ever said Itachi is slow? Itachi was fast enough to keep up with Bee and KCM Naruto. The last scan is an on-set for Tsukuyomi, otherwise Sasuke kept up with him just fine throughout the entirety of the fight.

- KCM Naruto' sole body-flicker feat, otherwise, he was getting punched around by V1 Ae, the same guy whom Sasuke dodged effortlessly. Who else hasn't kept up with KCM and BM Naruto? I remember Obito slapping him and his clones around for laughs. Jins slapping him around. Bee reacting faster than him on many occasions.

- TBBs are the quickest techniques in the world, which is why Orochimaru erected gates after the 4 tails Naruto's Flash-Dama was launched. Obito and Madara conversing and ordering Juubi to charge the laser when Naruto and Bee had already launched their TBBs etc etc. The Tbbs hit his cloak and bounced back. Don't see anything relevant here.

Is this the last post? Will you get off my back now?
 

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So you believe Sasuke would of been fine? He would of Survived afterwords?
Most of the damage would have been eaten by Enton and Susano'o. So yes, he would have survived, there is nothing in the manga to support your interpretation. Don't give me your own created outcomes.
 
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