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- Referring to Fourth's FTG - a technique he used to elude V2 Ae.

- Who ever said Itachi is slow? Itachi was fast enough to keep up with Bee and KCM Naruto. The last scan is an on-set for Tsukuyomi, otherwise Sasuke kept up with him just fine throughout the entirety of the fight.

- KCM Naruto' sole body-flicker feat, otherwise, he was getting punched around by V1 Ae, the same guy whom Sasuke dodged effortlessly. Who else hasn't kept up with KCM and BM Naruto? I remember Obito slapping him and his clones around for laughs. Jins slapping him around. Bee reacting faster than him on many occasions.

- TBBs are the quickest techniques in the world, which is why Orochimaru erected gates after the TBB was launched. Obito and Madara conversing and ordering Juubi to charge the laser when Naruto and Bee had already launched their TBBs etc etc. The Tbbs hit his cloak and bounced back. Don't see anything relevant here.

Is this the last post? Will you get off my back now?

So wait a minute. You keep asking for scans and lable anything you don't like as an opinion, yet, when someone supplies you with a scan showing Naruto's faster than Sasuke it doesn't count? OOOOOK.


There's a logical explanation as to why people can "keep up" with Naruto.

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KCM Naruto still can't control his speed as seen by this scan. This demonstrates that Naruto may very well be suppressing his speed in favor of control, and can only go as fast as V1 A while maintaining control, but given time, or no control if rushed, can go at speeds faster than V2 A. This is the only logical conclusion given all the scans that does not disregard manga facts.
 

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^ Was he under exertion in the scenarios I mentioned? Then they stick.

Save for that single body-flicker feat, there is nothing to support anything. Fact is, as I mentioned in our debate as well, everyone with a decent speed kept up with Naruto, who in fact, got slapped around on plenty of occasions. The control part is kinda self-made as I have yet to see any proof of this, when the manga constantly shoves it down in everyone's throat that how great he is at KCM and BM.
 

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^ Was he under exertion in the scenarios I mentioned? Then they stick.

Save for that single body-flicker feat, there is nothing to support anything. Fact is, as I mentioned in our debate as well, everyone with a decent speed kept up with Naruto, who in fact, got slapped around on plenty of occasions. The control part is kinda self-made as I have yet to see any proof of this, when the manga constantly shoves it down in everyone's throat that how great he is at KCM and BM.
Yeah you did, and it makes no more sense now than it did then. It's not self-made. Naruto dashed towards Zetsu at incredible speed, missed, and said he over-exerted himself, strongly implying he put to much force into his dash. This is even more likely since he's had this problem before, and it was clearly stated.

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So yeah, there's a 95% chance that given the previous scan I showed you, Naruto still has the same problem. The reason for the manga shoving stuff down are throat in my mind, are to tell us that Naruto's the fastest we've seen(excluding FTG) despite people managing to hit him. If you're disregarding that "one feat," then you're flat-out denying manga facts.
 

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^ A legless Kisame feat, the very first one? Naruto over-exerted himself due to a number of factors - making 13 clones, and then over-using them and Kurama's chakra, which is why he was even asking Tsunade to aid him. The rest of the examples prove otherwise, as they happen later-on. Not once is it stated by Naruto that he had trouble with his own speed later on. So this 95% logic is not logical as per the manga evidence.
 

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^ A legless Kisame feat, the very first one? Naruto over-exerted himself due to a number of factors - making 13 clones, and then over-using them and Kurama's chakra, which is why he was even asking Tsunade to aid him. The rest of the examples prove otherwise, as they happen later-on. Not once is it stated by Naruto that he had trouble with his own speed later on. So this 95% logic is not logical as per the manga evidence.
This is mangapanda. It's not the most accurate translation. What I think it meant to say was that Naruto put too much effort into it, in other words, too much force. Regardless, do you have any better explanations that don't involve disregarding manga feats?
 

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^ Better explanation to what? That he was slapped around by other jins whilst in KCM? Obito made short work of his Clones and slapped his Rasangan in his face whilst standing still? Gai and Kakashi had to rescue him as he couldn't keep up with Obito? Bee reacted faster than him when Obito threw out his stakes and got his tails cut in the process? All this happens later on. Who is disregarding what? All I see is you overlooking KCM Naruto's poor feats against the aforementioned opponents.
 

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^ Better explanation to what? That he was slapped around by other jins whilst in KCM? Obito made short work of his Clones and slapped his Rasangan in his face whilst standing still? Gai and Kakashi had to rescue him as he couldn't keep up with Obito? Bee reacted faster than him when Obito threw out his stakes and got his tails cut in the process? All this happens later on. Who is disregarding what? All I see is you overlooking KCM Naruto's poor feats against the aforementioned opponents.
Ok we agree with you..sasuke is the fastest shinobi in the NV
 

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^ Better explanation to what? That he was slapped around by other jins whilst in KCM? Obito made short work of his Clones and slapped his Rasangan in his face whilst standing still? Gai and Kakashi had to rescue him as he couldn't keep up with Obito? Bee reacted faster than him when Obito threw out his stakes and got his tails cut in the process? All this happens later on. Who is disregarding what? All I see is you overlooking KCM Naruto's poor feats against the aforementioned opponents.

My observation explains all of this while still keeping all feats valid including the times when Naruto get's in bad situation. You're just ignoring Naruto vs Ay, which is manga fact denial.


This. Sasuke can beat 10 Tails Madara extremely high diff

All with a 4.5 in speed which isn't top marks!
 

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At first you said he has no control, now what? I state that later on he does have it as the manga doesn't support so. Other than that legless Kisame and Ae feat, who has Naruto eluded? Think hard this time.


P.s: Lol Oh man. NB's latest additions and their shameful quips.
 
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At first you said he has no control, now what? I state that later on he does have it as the manga doesn't support so. Other than that legless Kisame and Ae feat, who has Naruto eluded? Think hard this time.


P.s: Lol Oh man. NB's latest additions and their shameful quips.
TBBs in BM. Blasted right through to intercept Obito and Madara mid-attack.

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Oh, and here's a fun one. Sasuke, whom you're accrediting so much speed, was intercepted mid-attack by base Naruto.

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What do you think about those feats? Stop grasping at straws Shelke. Sasuke was outclassed by V2 A and KCM outclassed A. Naruto being faster than Sasuke is cannon. You're fanboying Sasuke to the max and selectively reading like there's no tomorrow if you deny this. Also, by your logic, Sasuke can't blitz base Naruto since he only did it once.

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without Space time Ninjutsu:

1. Ten tails host Hagoromo Ootsutsuki
2. Ten tails host Madara Uchiha
3. Ten tails host Obito Uchiha
4. BM Minato
5. BSM Naruto
6. 4th Raikage
7. 3rd Raikage
8. Itachi/Killer bee/Sasuke
9. Tobirama
10. Obito/Gai

With Space Time Ninjutsu:

1. Ten tails host Hagoromo Ootsutsuki
2. Ten tails host Madara Uchiha/ Minato
3. Ten tails host Obito Uchiha/ Tobirama
4. BSM Naruto
5. 4th Raikage
6. 3rd Raikage
7. Itachi/Killer bee/Sasuke
8. Tobirama
9. Obito/Gai
10. Kakashi

without enhancements:

1. Minato/Tobirama
2. Maito Gai/Lee
3. Sasuke/Naruto/Itachi
4. Madara/Obito/Hashirama
5. Orochimaru/Jirayia/Tsunade.

^^ well top of even 5 the fastest character without enhancements is really hard to create
 
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