Tobirama vs Orochimaru

[Nattana]

Yeah, he only has to use FTG once to evade Oro's attacks. Off-panel reactions? He reacted to a blitz from Juubi-host Obito. The speed of Oro's attacks don't even come close to KCM Naruto's speed, let alone Rikudou Obito's speed.

Every single snake Orochimaru uses is poisonous. Every attack Orochimaru lands himself could harm Tobirama or be lethal. When Minato used FTG on Bee, the stalemated. The difference in this match-up is that Orochimaru can survive getting stabbed like np, while Tobirama after getting hit by any of dem snakes is done for.

And about Tobi's reactions. Show me any legit reaction feat that wasn't off-panel. The truth is Tobirama, even if he was a little bit faster than Orochimaru (but there's nothing that could prove that) couldn't blitz him. People act as if a little difference in speed wins the fight neg-diff. It's ridiculous. Blitz occurs when u put Kaguya vs Udon etc.

Except he doesn't have Hashirama's body, he has Zetsu's, who's a weak, watered down version of Hashirama. Nothing even implies Zetsu's reserves are greater than Tobirama's, and Hiraishingiri requires a minimal amount of chakra whereas Oral Rebirth consumes a lot of chakra [

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Ofc he doesn't have Hashirama's body. There's only 1... But Zetsu is made 100% out of Hashi DNA. Look at what the same Hashi DNA did to Danzo or Obito (hell, Obito had only half of his body as Zetsu). Oro 30 seconds after possessing Zetsu body started using the new chakra around. He also said himself he knew everything about his abilities AND said that he possessed a Zetsu for a reason.

Also, where did you get it from that Hiraishin uses small amounts of chakra?
How can he drown Orochimaru if Oro doesn't breathe anymore?
What stops Orochimaru from draining chakra from Tobi's FTG seal (if he manages to mark him) rendering it useless?

Ofc I'm assuming ET is restricted for both of them. Without it, Tobirama loses any serious firepower.

I seriously see no way of Tobirama winning here, which obviously doesn't mean he's weak. I'm not hating, but Orochimaru is a terrible match up for him.

 

[Draphsin]

Tobirama wins with edo tensei.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

The truth is Tobirama, even if he was a little bit faster than Orochimaru (but there's nothing that could prove that)

Had a niga rollin

 

[Superior Jinchuriki]

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Tobirama wins

 

[Agumon]

Orochimaru obviously.

 

[Nattana]

Had a niga rollin

That's your proof? Okay.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

lol @ Nattana.

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[Nattana]

lol @ Nattana.

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1. Once hailed as the fastest shinobi. It was like 100 years back in the days.
2. 99.9% sure he was talking about FTG.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Well true. But since he has also precognition and superior speed, Tobisama shitstomps.

 

[Touken]

Every single snake Orochimaru uses is poisonous. Every attack Orochimaru lands himself could harm Tobirama or be lethal. When Minato used FTG on Bee, the stalemated. The difference in this match-up is that Orochimaru can survive getting stabbed like np, while Tobirama after getting hit by any of dem snakes is done for.

Every time he gets stabbed up, he has to use Oral Rebirth to create a new body. You're telling me he's landing a hit on Tobirama when he has to first go through regeneration, which isn't exactly a quick process? Tobirama isn't getting touched once by Oro, and during the battle there'll come a point where Oro's expended all of his chakra using Oral Rebirth so there's no point trying to pull off Oro can regenerate an infinite amount of times.

And about Tobi's reactions. Show me any legit reaction feat that wasn't off-panel. The truth is Tobirama, even if he was a little bit faster than Orochimaru (but there's nothing that could prove that) couldn't blitz him. People act as if a little difference in speed wins the fight neg-diff. It's ridiculous. Blitz occurs when u put Kaguya vs Udon etc.

How on earth is this off-panel? [

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Difference in speed? For one, Hiraishin allows Tobirama to travel to places instantly, so Hiraishin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oro's speed. Secondly, Tobirama's Shunshin is fast enough to take Oro off guard anyway, considering he has no notable reaction feats to counter Tobirama's Shunshin speed. Oro keeping up with Tobirama isn't ever happening.

Ofc he doesn't have Hashirama's body. There's only 1... But Zetsu is made 100% out of Hashi DNA. Look at what the same Hashi DNA did to Danzo or Obito (hell, Obito had only half of his body as Zetsu). Oro 30 seconds after possessing Zetsu body started using the new chakra around. He also said himself he knew everything about his abilities AND said that he possessed a Zetsu for a reason.

And how exactly does this show he has more chakra than Tobirama?

Also, where did you get it from that Hiraishin uses small amounts of chakra?
How can he drown Orochimaru if Oro doesn't breathe anymore?
What stops Orochimaru from draining chakra from Tobi's FTG seal (if he manages to mark him) rendering it useless?

The heck? Of course Oro breathes, how on earth did you come to the conclusion he doesn't?

Nothing implies Hiraishin requires large amounts of chakra. Both Minato and Tobirama spam it all the time.

lol, okay. You can't drain chakra from a seal.

Ofc I'm assuming ET is restricted for both of them. Without it, Tobirama loses any serious firepower.

I seriously see no way of Tobirama winning here, which obviously doesn't mean he's weak. I'm not hating, but Orochimaru is a terrible match up for him.

Of course not. Tobirama has a number of ways of putting Orochimaru down.

 

[Joker]

People actually think Orochimaru'll run outta chakra like that? Lmfao, done.

 

[Apêx1]

Tobirama ends mid diff. Orochimaru has large chakra reserves, but he still doesn't necessarily compare to Tobirama. More so, his jutsu require massive amounts of chakra so even if they had slightly comparable chakra's Tobirama would still outlast. It's confirmed that Oral Rebirth requires a massive amount of chakra by Oro and Itachi, I see no reason as to why Tobirama doesn't simply drain his entire reserves via consistent FTG kills which force Oral Rebirth. Mutually explosive tags isn't even countered via Oral Rebirth since it's continuous, not momentary. By the time the explosions stop Oro is in no shape to continue.

 

[Joker]

Tobirama ends mid diff. Orochimaru has large chakra reserves, but he still doesn't necessarily compare to Tobirama. More so, his jutsu require massive amounts of chakra so even if they had slightly comparable chakra's Tobirama would still outlast. It's confirmed that Oral Rebirth requires a massive amount of chakra by Oro and Itachi, I see no reason as to why Tobirama doesn't simply drain his entire reserves via consistent FTG kills which force Oral Rebirth. Mutually explosive tags isn't even countered via Oral Rebirth since it's continuous, not momentary. By the time the explosions stop Oro is in no shape to continue.

When did Orochimaru say Oral Rebirth required massive amounts? Orochimaru uses tehniques like that with EASE, the only one to ever say it did was Itachi. Orochimaru has spammed summonings which one alone costs alot, like childsplay. He's never ran out of chakra on screen, even though his techniques are stated to use massive amounts. Now, adding Zetsu, AND the fact he can absorb chakra, Tobirama's about to wish Madara finished his ass.

 

[Nattana]

Every time he gets stabbed up, he has to use Oral Rebirth to create a new body. You're telling me he's landing a hit on Tobirama when he has to first go through regeneration, which isn't exactly a quick process? Tobirama isn't getting touched once by Oro, and during the battle there'll come a point where Oro's expended all of his chakra using Oral Rebirth so there's no point trying to pull off Oro can regenerate an infinite amount of times.

Cutting Oro in half, tearing off his face and many other things didn't force him to use his Replacement Jutsu. Tobirama doesn't start with a FTG seal on Oro so he has to make a contact with him first. There's plenty of moments where Orochimaru can counter attack or simply scratch him with some sneak attack with a random snake, catching Tobi off-guard.

How on earth is this off-panel? [

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Difference in speed? For one, Hiraishin allows Tobirama to travel to places instantly, so Hiraishin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oro's speed. Secondly, Tobirama's Shunshin is fast enough to take Oro off guard anyway, considering he has no notable reaction feats to counter Tobirama's Shunshin speed. Oro keeping up with Tobirama isn't ever happening.

Where's the feat? He got blitzed the shit out of and simply used paper tags formed from the Edo body to make them explode on Obito. Same thing he did with Gojo. FTG isn't speed.
Orochimaru has some amazing reactions feats - reacting to point-blank, accelerated God Tree's branch AND stopping it. Stopping 4tailed Kyuubi's already fired chakra arm, reacting to Kyuubiruto's chakra arm while in mid air. Tobirama has... well, none.
And Orochimaru also has Shunshin. Also, Slithering Snake Mode is a pure agility and speed boost.

And how exactly does this show he has more chakra than Tobirama?

And how does this show he doesn't? It was you who suggested that Tobirama had more chakra than Oro. To me, 100% Hashi DNA body has more chakra than 100% Tobirama body. Not to mention that there's Oro's own chakra in there as well.

The heck? Of course Oro breathes, how on earth did you come to the conclusion he doesn't?

He doesn't have lungs, blood, veins or any other organs. How can he and why would he breathe?

Nothing implies Hiraishin requires large amounts of chakra. Both Minato and Tobirama spam it all the time.

I agree that it's less chakra-draining than Oro's Body Replacement, but don't make it sound as if Tobirama could spam it 10000 times.

lol, okay. You can't drain chakra from a seal.

Then he could:
-use his F5S to seal Tobirama's chakra in his FTG seal to make it useless
-rip off a fragment of his body the seal was placed on (with Zetsu body it's done like np - look Obito, Zetsu)
-Body Replacement to create a whole new body without the seal

Of course not. Tobirama has a number of ways of putting Orochimaru down.

Sure. And what about 8branches, Manda, other summons etc?

 

[Apêx1]

When did Orochimaru say Oral Rebirth required massive amounts? Orochimaru uses tehniques like that with EASE, the only one to ever say it did was Itachi. Orochimaru has spammed summonings which one alone costs alot, like childsplay. He's never ran out of chakra on screen, even though his techniques are stated to use massive amounts. Now, adding Zetsu, AND the fact he can absorb chakra, Tobirama's about to wish Madara finished his ass.

I said Itachi and Oro. I don't have scans of the Oro one so all I can provide you with is Itachi's statement [

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]. Anyways, he has a sharingan and knows of Oro's jutsu quite well, it is quite a reliable statement he makes. When did he spam summons? I hope you're not claiming small sized summons consume as much as large summons? The larger the quantity the larger the chakra expenditure. 500 small snakes that don't equate to a Manda sized summon when combined don't take 500 times the chakra Manda does. If that's not your point, than it's irrelevant as being capable of summoning something isn't too great of a feat. That's because he's barely had any screen time. First fight, fights Hiruzen with the usage of Tobirama and Hashirama's abilities and chakra's, not his own. Second fight, fights Tsunade and drugged Jiraiya, decent feats but not much is shown of his techinques or chakra. Third fight, fights kid Sasuke, nardo and Sakura. Fourth fight, fights Kyuubi Nardo and gets hammered on, and at the end of the fight his body begins to reject him. Last time, comes briefly out of Sasuke's cursed seal and gets roflstomped by Totsuka. There's never been an instance where he non-stop spammed chakra, many Oral Rebirthes will end him at a much quicker speed. More so, every tagged shed body is a viable marked area. That means every time he strikes Oro by teleporting to the tag he has set on him, the Oro that sheds via Oral rebirth becomes his 'marked kunai'. Tobirama made the wall

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with his chakra alone and had the room scared shitless

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, is a senju and is implied to have massive amounts of chakra (1/3 of Hashi's chakra [

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[TRE MERCER]

Can some of these people saying Tobirama wins give a counter for Orochimaru's ability atleast anybody can come on a thread screaming a name but only those who provide counters/valid arguments can be considered a debater.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Tobirama has shown nothing in his arsenal tht can even remotely hurt orochimaru like really hurt him bar tht explosion thing with edo tensi but guys I know y'all don't wanna bring edo tensi into this cuz oro feat wise will stomp with tht Jutsu...

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

That's your proof? Okay.

Sorry, you just tried to assert that Oro was on the same speed wavelength at Tobirama, when nothing in the manga whatsoever correlates with that.

If you want me to believe that Oro has a sliver of a chance you're going to need to convince me he's fast enough to actually hit Tobirama, and in order to do that you need evidence from the manga. But let me cut out the middle man and save you the arduous task of browsing the wiki: there isn't any.

 

[lelerskates]

And lel at Tobirama outlasting Orochimaru, if current Oro is full-blown Senju. What's more, a Senju with the biggest chakra reserves. Hashi DNA body reserves >>>> other Senju reserves.

You have no idea what Oro is even capable of yet. He has shown NO feats after getting hashi's DNA. Tobirama doesn't even need to expend a lot of chakra to kill Oro over and over again. His base speed without FTG is faster than Oro so he doesn't even need to use FTG. He can use water streams to cut him up over and over and over again. Making him use oral rebirth until he's out of chakra. Secondly, do not compare a zetsu's chakra levels to hashi himself. If that was the case, the zetsu army would demolish the shinobi alliance.

You oro fapboys are getting out of control. It's funny because Oro told Tobirama he shouldn't have created Edo because it's a bad jutsu and yet he uses it himself. If anything Tobirama saved the world because of Edo. The irony of Oro's statement is funny.

Tobirama > Oro in battle prowess, speed, chakra levels and intellect.

 

[genii96]

Tobirama has absolutely no way of even bothering orochimaru with his arsenal. Unless you wanna bring et into this,which you dont.
Oro mid diff